patrick.net

Okay, fair enough. I just think you both have a lot to contribute, but I tend to leave when the match gets started, like a lot of readers. I think both of your insights are too valuable to be ignored, and when the pissing starts everyone else tunes out and then they miss out out on the quality parts of the discussion. :-)

marcus says

Not that you have any respect for facts or truth, but...

marcus says

http://spydersden.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/anti-obama-propaganda-debunked/

That's a mighty fine example of some effen retarded propaganda, non-facts and twisted truth.

Call it Crazy says

justme says

Call it Crazy says

Here's an article that should appeal to Dan....

Are you implying that the cops should have shot the homeowner first? I thought so. Yeah, call it crazy.

I know you haven't been following along.... Typical...

Dan rails on cops who shoot "innocent" citizens all the time.... In this case, the citizen shot the cop... This should provide pleasure for him... Please pay attention next time!!

A citizen shot a cop, justifiably, in self-defense. Is that supposed to be a justification for the numerous innocent people shot by police?

Yeah, yeah. Where's Sean Hannity when you need him ? Perhaps Rush could help get you through this.

People who work niche skilled labor jobs or own their own business are probably safe for now.

Everyone else...nope.

The population as a whole isn't rational so there will always be some buyers but I think its safe to say that there will be less in the future then there are now.

Its estimated about 47% of jobs are at risk of being automated away over the next 10-20 years.

http://ourfuture.org/20130926/the-robots-are-coming-now-what

Even the barristas aren't safe.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/10/briggo_coffee_robot_should_starbucks_replace_baristas_with_machines.html

Call it Crazy says

Is this related to just pot or all drugs??

All drugs. Now I'm not saying that all drugs should necessarily be legal, but the War on Drugs should be ended for all drugs because the methods that war uses are far worse than the impact of the drugs being fought.

Now one can make the argument that drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue rather than a legal one. But in any case, I would not support No-Knock raids and shoot first policies for any anti-drug law.

bob2356 says

Police departments all over are going to a policy of using a swat team for all felony arrests, even things like check kiting, fencing, credit card fraud, etc.. Good way for even more cops to get killed.

I say it should be legal to use land mines to prevent home invasions including No-Knock raids. If you want me to come to court, subpoena me. If you come into my home with any weapon, you forfeit your life and the lives of everyone abetting you.

If that's not ok with my government, I reserve my Second Amendment right to violently overthrow my government and replace it with a socially just one, even if it means killing every single politician, cop, and military personnel who sides with the despotic and Unconstitutional government. Anyone who disagrees with me disagrees with the validity of our government, which was founded on exactly such a violent revolution.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

- Thomas Jefferson, November 13, 1787

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

Now one can make the argument that drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue rather than a legal one. But in any case, I would not support No-Knock raids and shoot first policies for any anti-drug law.

Well, wouldn't it be simpler if you were afraid of No-Knock raids to just not do anything illegal???

Nah, that's too simple...

Tell that to the family of Kathryn Johnston, the innocent 92-year-old woman who was shot to death by police who No-Knocked barged into her home as part of a drug bust they based on false information given to them by a drug suspect they were torturing. Funny thing about people being tortured, they'll say whatever they think their assailants want to here regardless of whether or not it is true.

This is just one of thousands of documented instances where innocent people have been murdered by the police. Doing nothing wrong is no defense from an out-of-control police force with zero legal accountability. It was no defense against the Gestapo. America is no different. The exact same lesson applies to all nations in all times: power corrupts and both transparency and accountability are critical to maintaining a free and safe society.

Call it Crazy says

tts says

You also need job security too. If you can't count on your job being there in 10 yr then you can't reasonably buy a house.

Very true, but in reality, does anyone really think they have 10 yr job security today? Corporations today chew up and spit out employees all the time.

Does that mean no one in the future, young or old will buy houses??

Prices will simply drop, and far more people will rent.

From the perspective of economic efficiency, this is a good thing: more mobility of labor.

Some countries do quite well with high rental rates. Some Swiss rent in one place for 50 years, and most Swiss rent.

Of course I'll believe this tripe without seeing financial statements & supporting documents.

"You can't put anything on the internet that isn't true."

"Where did you hear that?"

"On the internet."

Actually I think you'll see more "kids" living with parents, and in some cases vice versa.

The rent market is pretty screwed up too and will be for a long time.

A large increase of supply of rentals OR a large increase in wages would have to occur (which would spur the former) first to fix that problem.

The builders and property owners know there isn't much of a market for more rentals right now and a large increase in wages requires Congress to sign off on a big min. wage increase...or corps/businesses to suddenly decide to pay people lots more.

Call it Crazy says

Very true, but in reality, does anyone really think they have 10 yr job security today? Corporations today chew up and spit out employees all the time.

Does that mean no one in the future, young or old will buy houses??

Houses will have to be bought by someone. Jobs and marriages becoming shorter in duration would just mean more renters, with landlords supplying the statistical stability to cover the mortgage and pay for construction / maintenance cost. That will make a more mobile work force, precisely what the rapidly changing economy needs. With more people renting, there will also be political motivation to enact tax deduction on rent payment, so that people can choose between buy vs. rent on personal economic reasons instead of tax reasons.

BTW, this theme also means the bidding of the nothing-special apartments and SF houses into the stratosphere is nutty: the rental income stream is just not there to support the valuable. When the cars are self-driving, a half-hour to one-hour commute would be nothing.

tts says

The rent market is pretty screwed up too and will be for a long time.

A large increase of supply of rentals OR a large increase in wages would have to occur (which would spur the former) first to fix that problem.

I'm confused. Do you think there's current too much supply or too little?

tts says

The builders and property owners know there isn't much of a market for more rentals right now and a large increase in wages requires Congress to sign off on a big min. wage increase...or corps/businesses to suddenly decide to pay people lots more.

A big minimum wage increase would actually reduce the total amount of wages paid out, due to a segment of the work force being banned from working. The rental market would likely suffer disproportionately more because the renters at the lower income scale are more likely to be losing jobs as a result of the ban.

marcus says

Yeah, yeah. Where's Sean Hannity when you need him ? Perhaps Rush could help get you through this.

Perhaps if you got on some better psych meds you'd feel happier and get rid of the stupid icon you've used for so many years.

zzyzzx says

One, comparing money in nominal terms over the past two hundred years is utterly meaningless due to currency debasement.

Two, the vast majority of Obama's spending was paying the bill left by G.W. Bush. In fact, the vast majority of the expenses of Bush's illegal and worthless wars won't even occur for another 30 to 40 years.

Did you know that peak spending on WWI veterans occurred in the late 1960s / early 1970s? That's right, World War ONE not two. And the peak spending due to health benefits was about 50 years after the war ended. Same thing happens for all wars including Bush's wars. We're going to be paying for them for the rest of your life and beyond.

Don't know if it's 100 percent, 90 percent, 50 percent or 0 percent, since I read 0 percent of his posts.

They won't close the govt. again.

Call it Crazy says

Do you think it will hold together until then??

Well, I am not the one to ask.
I never imagined they could keep their crooked charade up for anything like this long. My lack of faith in their relentless racketeering and manipulations cost me money. Turns out there was a buck to make before the world ends.
So what happens next, and when, is beyond my ken.

rooemoore says

They won't close the govt. again.

They didn't close it the last time.

Dan8267 says

One, comparing money in nominal terms over the past two hundred years is utterly meaningless due to currency debasement.

Which is why the debt will continue to get worst regardless of who the next president is. The system is setup that way, we've dug ourselves so deep in the hole that the only thing we can do is dig deeper.

Unless we make some serious reforms which I doubt will happen, so the system will go on until it collapse on itself.

marcus says

18)

FACT: The budget was balanced when Clinton left office in 2001 (in fact, he left Dubbya with a $300,000,000,000 surplus).

how we soon forget...

No, Bill Clinton Didn’t Balance the Budget

By Stephen Moore
October 8, 1998

Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich’s finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

hrhjuliet says

Want first time buyers? Lower the cost of the house. Yes, it's that simple.

Try building more houses, a LOT more houses.

We don't need more land hungry sport stadiums, nor more commercial space. We need more quality residential housing and more efficient transportation infrastructure.

thomaswong.1986 says

the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink.

Uh-huh.

zzyzzx says

The debt was 11 trillion when Obama was inaugurated. Where is the missing 5 trillion debt accumulated by the 43 presidents combined? Debt went from 11 to 16 trillion first term. Last time I checked that's 5 not 6.5

New Renter says

hrhjuliet says

Want first time buyers? Lower the cost of the house. Yes, it's that simple.

Try building more houses, a LOT more houses.

We don't need more land hungry sport stadiums, nor more commercial space. We need more quality residential housing and more efficient transportation infrastructure.

Exactly! What do people think will happen to the million-dollar apartments in city centers when self-driving cars arrive?

thomaswong.1986 says

October 8, 1998

Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink

Nice to read something from someone who knows less than nothing. Two someones if you include twrong. What 30 years of red ink was that? There has been debt since 1790. Other than WWII it has been small. It didn't really grow until 2 years after Reagan took office. Do the 10 years of Reagan and Bush I where the debt exploded count as part of the 30 years of single minded crusade? How do you subtract 1982 from 1995 and come up with 30? Great work twrong. Maybe you should visit planet earth once and a while.

I think the big advantage of a state bank, is it is limited in scope to it's home state.

However, this basically is how things WERE prior to the 1980's.

North Carolina National Bank (NCNB) expanded beyond North Carolina in 1982. This was a first, exploiting a legal loophole, to buy First National Bank of Lake City. Back in those days banks liked to have the word "National" in their name but they were no such thing as "national" megabanks. Once the genie was out of the bottle, it went wild. From this tiny seed grew Bank of America of today.

Break up big banks and forbid them to be multi-state or global conglomerates.

Yawn.

bob2356 says

thomaswong.1986 says

October 8, 1998

Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink

Nice to read something from someone who knows less than nothing. Two someones if you include twrong. What 30 years of red ink was that? There has been debt since 1790. Other than WWII it has been small. It didn't really grow until 2 years after Reagan took office. Do the 10 years of Reagan and Bush I where the debt exploded count as part of the 30 years of single minded crusade? How do you subtract 1982 from 1995 and come up with 30? Great work twrong. Maybe you should visit planet earth once and a while.

LOL! and what planet have you been on for the past 30 years...

but we can play it your way... so what Clinton Policy did move the USG

to a Balanced Budget ?

This should be fun !

El HydroCabron says

thomaswong.1986 says

the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink.

Uh-huh.

you do recall who Steven Moore is ? certainly not a Johnny come lately !

bgamall4 says

Just shows a lack of oxygen to your feeble brain, Bob. Yawning is proof you need more oxygen.

What's your excuse?

bgamall4 says

Quote

You are a legend in your own mind.

bob2356 says

There has been debt since 1790.

Incorrect. In 1835 Andrew Jackson was the first and only U.S. President to pay off the national debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson#Federal_debt

bob2356 says

Do the 10 years of Reagan and Bush I where the debt exploded count as part of the 30 years of single minded crusade?

bgamall4 says

Having said that, we can't throw the poor and elderly under the bus just because the banksters ruined the financial system.

You can't blame it all on the bankers either. Besides who makes the laws? The Bankers or the Politicians? Besides last time I checked the elderly have a lot of government programs going for them, many of those programs are part of what's causing the government debt.

Seriously it's a two way street my friend. In fact without the government's aid to suppress competition, the bankers would of never made it this far.

bgamall4 says

I know fake acting when I see it. You don't.

What, you mean just as good as your facial recognition skills?

He also said, we will be f****d by 2020. Does that prediction will come out true as well?

Call it Crazy says

No one denies that Obama inherited a load of crap from Bush, but the Dems have held a majority of at least two and for a while 3 branches of government (House, Senate, WH) since 2006. In over 7 years, why haven't policies been written to improve conditions....

Do they still need MORE time??

False: Republicans frequently deny that large expenses from the Bush administration are a major factor in the spending in the Obama administration.

True: The Obama administration has utterly failed to improve the economy in the past 6 years despite high stock prices that are more reflective of the rich-poor gap and a lowering of the unemployment rate that is due entirely to discounting the long-term unemployed as part of the work force even though those people would gladly work if they had the opportunity.

The reasons for Obama's failures on the economic front include
1. Obama followed the same failed Keynesian economics that caused the Second Great Depression.
2. The Republicans obstructed all efforts to repair the economy, even to the point of deliberate sabotage, in order to make Obama a one-term president, which they failed at anyway.
3. The Obama administration refused to let banks take the loss on the housing bubble collapse, thus prolonging the bubble, preventing people from buying houses and then buying all the stuff people buy after they get a house. By propping up housing prices, both Democrats and Republicans have stopped the virtuous cycle of consumption and production in several of the largest industries in our economy.

As for the solution, eventually time will solve the economic problems. Neither major party has done anything to improve the condition. Republicans, however, would make the economy even worse by driving up the already too high rich-poor gap and eliminating the middle class.

Of course, there is a way to end the Second Great Depression and it doesn't involve useless work like building bridges to nowhere or destructive work like bombing brown children. The way to end this depression is to invest in converting 20th century infrastructure into 21st century infrastructure. We can start with personal maglift vehicles and eliminating the national debt. These two things alone would tremendously improve our economy. Having housing prices finally crash would also stimulate our economy more than Miley Cyrus on a wrecking ball stimulates pubescent boys. And if that's not enough, we can create fiber to every household in America and a nationwide public WiFi grid. There's tons of useful work to be done. No need for Keynesian waste.

Call it Crazy says

bgamall4 says

Call it Crazy says

No one denies that Obama inherited a load of crap from Bush,

People deny it all the time.

Must be the same ones who denied 9/11, and Sandy Hook...

And the same ones who deny climate change, evolution, progressiveness, the value of social safety nets.

They are also the same people
- whose ancestors were slavers.
- who were in favor of segregation and Jim Crow laws
- who opposed interracial marriage
- who oppose same sex marriage
- who were ok with Bush being appointed president due to election fraud because the ends always justify the means
- who were ok with Bush's illegal wars because the ends always justify the means

Notice a pattern? It's the same assholes screwing up everything. Unfortunately, they breed like rats and make up 1/3rd of our nation's population. Do your country a service by spaying or neutering a redneck today.

If I had time, I'd insert a video of sad-looking rednecks with a Sarah Mclachlan song in the background.

spydah_hh says

Which is why the debt will continue to get worst regardless of who the next president is. The system is setup that way, we've dug ourselves so deep in the hole that the only thing we can do is dig deeper.

Unless we make some serious reforms which I doubt will happen, so the system will go on until it collapse on itself.

Agreed totally.

And here's how to fix it.