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This is not a generational issue, this is a job climate issue, and one due mostly to globalization and where the US finds itself today.

Call It Crazy, as long as our education system was geared toward teaching people to go CREATE a job, I'd agree with you. The fact is, we have an industrial era/trades education system that doesn't do that.

clambo, the point you make about how kids growing up in the digital era is very true. Parents have to know enough to teach their children that, "The internet is forever." Unfortunately the tech divide has never be as large as it is right now with the millennials and their parents.

mmmarvel says

And as soon as you're as successful as Steve Jobs

1 - Boomers, you stank and still were hired. But now you blame Millennials for their hygiene?

2 - See, success doesn't depend on hygiene.

Call it Crazy says

Boomers did all types of work and had the "just do it" mentality, no matter what

Continues to ignore the economic background and cultivate attribution bias.

clambo says

Boomers are smarter on average than millenials

Do you believe Boomers have a genetic advantage over their children, or that the pollution they generated attacked their kids brains?

Rew says

The fact is, we have an industrial era/trades education system that doesn't do that.

If ONLY - but sadly NO. No, the educational system is college bound. Try to teach a kid about laying mud for putting up a brick wall. Try to teach a kid to measure plywood and figure the extra needed for what the blade will take off. Try to teach a kid how to figure the length of pipe accounting for 30 degree, 45 degree and 90 degree fittings ... almost impossible. Add to that the lack of work ethic, kids who whine (yes, whine aloud) about working more than 8 hours. About working more than 5 days a week, in some cases complaining about working more than 3 days in a row. No, the trades and industrial programs have gone by the wayside. About the only place that you find them anymore is at the community college by kids who are tired of crappy jobs in IT (and yes, I know that lots of IT jobs pay very well) where they either can't cut it or are tired of fighting against waves of foreign students who are competing for those jobs. There has been a HUGE prejudice against teaching a kid a trade. A huge expectation (in kids) that they will earn big bucks programming, making games, etc. etc. No Rew - we/I only WISH that trades/industrial programs were still around. We only WISH that kids learned a decent work ethic as they grow up.

mmmarvel says

No, I'm telling you that I'm the one hiring. If you want the job, impress me. Impress me with your resume which will get me to call you. Impress me over the phone, which will get you an interview. Finally, impress me in person and you might get the job. I have the job opening, I have the right to JUDGE on each of the above catagories.

That's exactly what I said: You're the boss, so you feel it's ok to select on appearance whenever it suits you, because you can, and if they don't acknowledge it, then screw them.
That's still stupid, but whatever.

I'll go along. If you wanted to sell you house, how would you go about it with out a Realtor? The reason I ask is, I going to sell my house and I hate paying $30K to agents. thank you

Heraclitusstudent says

1 - Boomers, you stank and still were hired. But now you blame Millennials for their hygiene?

2 - See, success doesn't depend on hygiene.

You seem to really admire Jobs. Are your eyes as open to his flaws?

Jobs did while at Apple that were deeply disturbing. Rude, dismissive, hostile, spiteful: Apple employees—the ones not bound by confidentiality agreements—have had a different story to tell over the years about Jobs and the bullying, manipulation and fear that followed him around Apple. Jobs contributed to global problems, too. Apple's success has been built literally on the backs of Chinese workers, many of them children and all of them enduring long shifts and the specter of brutal penalties for mistakes. And, for all his talk of enabling individual expression, Jobs imposed paranoid rules that centralized control of who could say what on his devices and in his company. In the name of protecting children from the evils of erotica — "freedom from porn" — and adults from one another, Jobs has banned from being installed on his devices gay art, gay travel guides, political cartoons, sexy pictures, Congressional candidate pamphlets, political caricature, Vogue fashion spreads, systems invented by the opposition, and other things considered morally suspect.

Jobs was human. He was successful and if you're lucky, you can be too. I recognize Jobs on both fronts, the things he produced which has been of a benefit to this world (although I don't own a single Apple device) and his flaws. If he had not been successful, he would have had a difficult time in the corporate world; which indeed was one of the reasons that he set out on his own. View all the sides of Jobs. And do something about BO and bad breath.

Really, with the tools we have today, as long as you have a lawyer and a title company, and MLS listings can be viewed by sellers and utilized by buyers, why bother paying a real estate agent more than most people make in a year to do practically nothing?

Sellers can use: http://www.homeownersrealty.com/system/login.aspx?redir=&msg=You+must+have+paid+access+to+use+this+feature.
There are other sites like this.

Buyers can simply use Zillow. Things come up there just as quickly as they do on my cousin's (who is a real estate agent) automated listing program.

A lawyer usually costs about $300 to do the contract and the title company is usually pretty reasonable also. If you need financing, it's always best to go with a reputable mortgage company that is not recommended by a realtor. Ask Logan here on patrick.net for more info on that.

mmmarvel says

You seem to really admire Jobs. Are your eyes as open to his flaws?

Jobs did while at Apple that were deeply disturbing. Rude, dismissive, hostile, spiteful:

All I said right there was Jobs was a boomer, had bad hygiene, and was successful.

Heraclitusstudent says

1 - Boomers, you stank and still were hired. But now you blame Millennials for their hygiene?

2 - See, success doesn't depend on hygiene.

Actually, no we didn't stink (at least the majority of us and certainly those who got hired didn't stink). We were told by parents, by friends, by girlfriends, heck sometimes even by strangers that we stunk and needed to do something about it. When I raised my kids, if they stunk (and it only happened once), I refused to go where we were suppose to go (an important event) until they showered and put on deodorant. It was a basic lesson that was drill home to me and I drilled home to my kids. Yes, hygiene is VERY important, both to getting a job and to having a society that you don't mind being around without gagging.

driscoll63 says

I'll go along. If you wanted to sell you house, how would you go about it with out a Realtor? The reason I ask is, I going to sell my house and I hate paying $30K to agents. thank you

One more thing, make sure to take fantastic photos for the MLS listing, 25 is a good number. Also, set up open houses at least every two weeks once you purchase a spot on the MLS. Make sure Zillow and other sites accurately list your contact info. A secondary email is best for this that you check often.

Heraclitusstudent says

All I said right there was Jobs was a boomer, had bad hygiene, and was successful.

And he was one of out ???? Yup, Steve stunk and many of his early co-workers didn't like it. There are exceptions everywhere, hope you're an exception and make it big.

sbh says

If it can be shown that Boomers outnumbered all other voters then I'll fall on my sword. If the Ms and Gen-xers didn't vote then they have nothing to say. Thanks for taking my call and I'll await your answer off the air.

You don't have to take all the blame.

Just take your share of it.

Which I have yet to see one boomer do.

Heraclitusstudent says

That's exactly what I said: You're the boss, so you feel it's ok to select on appearance whenever it suits you, because you can, and if they don't acknowledge it, then screw them.

Ummm, and you choose an employee on what? First line is resume. What have you done, how long did you do it? Why aren't you doing it anymore? Then comes talking, I'm not going to hire a waiter or salesperson if they have a stutter, sorry, it just doesn't make sense. Finally I hire on appearance. I'd rather have someone who fit in, in every sense of the word, than one that everyone else had to adjust to. Again, I'm not going to hire the fellow who's picture I posted as a waiter even if his resume and phone interview went well, sorry he (in most restaurants) won't be a fit. I want the customers to feel comfortable, not have them talking about their waiter all night; and possibly not come back because he made them uncomfortable with his appearance and/or was the topic of conversation.

mmmarvel says

And he was one of out ???? Yup, Steve stunk and many of his early co-workers didn't like it. There are exceptions everywhere

Oh my, if anecdotal evidence doesn't count, I guess we'll have to dismiss the article that started this thread then.

mmmarvel says

Actually, no we didn't stink

Hey... I wasn't at SF summer of love. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure a lot of these hippies just stank.

But now that they're old and grumpy... they're all about forms, manners and hygiene.

Go figure.

Call it Crazy says

So far, what H.S. has shown us, is that he's exceptional at whining and passing blame.... Is there a job for that???

... Says the guy who started a whining thread blaming Millennials.
Yours apparently!

Heraclitusstudent says

You don't have to take all the blame.

Just take your share of it.

Which I have yet to see one boomer do.

Huh? I'm no more or less guilty than my father was to me. Here is your world, warts and all, do your best, that is all I ask. Quit whining (which was another lesson hammered home), it is what it is, what can you do with it? Life isn't a bowl of cherries, it's mostly the pits, figure it out. You want to live in CA? Well, maybe you can't afford it. You have a choice, figure out a place that you can live on your salary or whine about the fact that your life in CA sucks. I'm no more or less guilty than you. Because I took up the challenge, got slapped back (several times) by life and got back up again - I've got nothing to apologize for. I don't owe you a thing. You don't owe me a thing. I brought my kids up but once they were grown ... I didn't own them a thing. I couldn't afford college for my kids, they both (both girls) went into the Army. They now have the GI bill and Veterans loan (when they decide to buy a house). Oh, I'm sure you have a ton of reasons why you would NEVER join the military, and that's fine - but yeah, I have no blame to take and it sounds like you'd do well to look at ALL options and follow another path.

@call it crazy, I'm in agreement but the millenials also have had a disadvantage because their professors are much more clueless than boomer's instructors.
I feel slightly sorry but not very sorry for the millenials. They better fuckin wise up.
If you are at UCSC and your instructor is Angela Davis, you may need to consider getting another major and dropping that class. If you don't know who Angela Davis is, then you are not a boomer. We also know who Bill Ayers is.
I don't know many millenials but the ones I know have been straight up pussified beyond recognition, it's amazing. I don't blame them but rather the crap they were inculcated with in schools.
Shit, there are people out there telling you to feel guilty for driving a truck for fuck's sake, how is a kid supposed to survive this abuse to grow a set of balls?

Now hiring.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/zRsxBVMwFoU

Heraclitusstudent says

Hey... I wasn't at SF summer of love. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure a lot of these hippies just stank.

First, unless you were there (and I'm not quite that old) then you really can't talk. Second, I said mmmarvel says

and certainly those who got hired didn't stink,

Read everything, quite cherry picking.

clambo says

Shit, there are people out there telling you to feel guilty for driving a truck for fuck's sake

And yet there are truck drivers working in North Dakota that are making six figures.

Isn't Jojo a Millennial? or is he the next older category? It would seem that he would be all over this.

I agree with Mr. Shostakovich:

"MLS should be open sourced.

Maybe $2 a year to join and look at stuff.

NAR should be disbanded as a terrorist organization."

hrhjuliet says

Maybe $2 a year to join and look at stuff.

Why should it costs $2 a year to look at ads? If I have to put up with all the damn ads constantly thrown at me from T.V., radio, billboards, bulletin boards, junk mail, junk email, web pages, tablet apps, bumper stickers, teenagers throwing signs in the air on street corners, at the movie theater after I paid $10 to $15 for a ticket, at concerts, and everywhere else, then the damn ads I actually want to see had better be free.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

So far 100% agree wholeheartedly with the factual assertion that Listing with a REALTOR is Exactly Like Hiring Jeffrey Dahmer to Babysit Your Kids.

Who among us is shocked?

Dahmer got his start in realty.

Everyone knows that!

Call it Crazy says

mmmarvel says

There are exceptions everywhere, hope you're an exception and make it big.

So far, what H.S. has shown us, is that he's exceptional at whining and passing blame.... Is there a job for that???

Politics.

No worries Jazz, most people would like to live in denial and only read comforting articles by people who failed junior high science about how it's all just natural normal warming. Did you know that every inconceivable horror in human history also never happened? Isn't that easier to deal with? The holocaust, serial murders, krakatoa, extinctions - you name it! If it's too horrible it can be invalidated to set your nerves to rest. A guy who works at Fox said so! Now everyone just calm down and be as irresponsible as you need to get through your day. Validate all bad behavior! The new bad is good! Don't bother educating them Jazz; ignorance is bliss.

jazz music says

Koch Industry/Georgia-Pacific Products:

Angel Soft toilet paper

Brawny paper towels

Dixie plates, bowls, napkins and cups

Mardi Gras napkins and towels

Quilted Northern toilet paper

Soft ‘n Gentle toilet paper

Sparkle napkins

Vanity fair napkins

Zee napkins

I'd like to see the them outlaw bulk paper goods, like they have in most countries. You get the equivalent of half a Kleenex with your meal. We American's are the only Pigs that seem to ask for gobs and gobs more of napkins, until the table looks like a wing sauce stained snow scene diorama.

More than half the people wrap their hand with enough toilet paper to pull a Sunday roast out of 375 degree oven with out getting burned.

Again, other countries when the house runs out of toilet paper they return with a single, single ply roll. We come carting in a cube as big as a refrigerator, of multi ply, quilted extra strength, scented "does a bear shit in the woods?" stuff.

But I guess like everything else, it's easier to bitch about it, a find new ways to tax everyone for it. Rather than just outlawing massive waste of paper.

Now restaurants have these napkins that are essentially made out out of the same material as a baby wipe towelette, yes the same stuff those "Green Bags" are made out of, the same stuff those plain old regular grocery plastic bags that were supposed to be bad for the landfills. Now they've extruded it into fine micro fibers, then spin them into sheets of paper like plastic fabric.

Now we've got Wing Joints tossing about 20 of those sheets on the table along with 20 wings, 2 orders of fries, and Pitcher of Amber Bock. Where the melinials sit and ponder about those evil bastards the Koch brothers... "Miss more napkins please!"

Well wait a minute... (counting fingers and toes) if we're paying more, and the doctors and hospitals are getting less... (and carry the zillion)

Then were is the money going! HUH! Where's the Money Barry!!!
Where's my fucking money!? What Act, you said it would be affordable, you thieving fuck, where's the money?!? We'll then call Nancy, get her ass over here, tell her to bring that fascist prick Reid.
Where's the money!?!?

Damn the Big Labowski movie would be so much Cooler if Obama played the Dude.

It's humorous how the oil companies are raping us financially selling us our own damn oil.

ha ha ha!

I don't have kids, and if you're reading this in 2100AD and things do indeed suck thanks to AGW, well, sorry I didn't fight for you hard enough.

Too many fucking idiots here, I can tell you that.

Actually the problem of backing up over toddlers happens almost exclusively to SUV drivers, but the requirement will apply to all vehicles. SUVs became the most popular category of new vehicle in 1998, after they were exempted from federal efficiency standards, and accelerated during the W/Cheney years, when SUVs over 3 tons got a tax incentive. (If you don't buy a gas-guzzling three ton SUV and drive up the price of oil, the terrorists have won. Somehow. Because the oil money goes to the terrorists, and they need more money so there can be more, wait, how does that work again?) In addition to wasting fuel and driving up emissions and the price of oil, SUVs also killed a lot of people, including toddlers.

Bellingham Bill says

I don't have kids, and if you're reading this in 2100AD and things do indeed suck thanks to AGW, well, sorry I didn't fight for you hard enough.

Too many fucking idiots here, I can tell you that.

Sad but true. I try to fight for the future too, but it's like Bill said.

Why wait for 2018? Why not now? How can an omniscient and omnipotent Government-God tolerate 4 more years of cars backing up and running over toddlers? Is it less than omniscient/omnipotent or is it evil?

IMHO, by 2018, the debate of the day will be whether the Government-God should outlaw human drivers as the leading cause of fatal accidents, as self-driving cars will prove to be much safer than human-driven cars by then. 35,000 deaths per year due to human driven cars is approximately 34,940 more deaths than the 60 or so toddlers run over by backing up cars every year.

BTW, $1Billion for 60 lives saved (assuming the often distracted driver doesn't run over the kids anyway despite the camera, just as all the windows have not stopped millions of car accidents), that's close to $20 million each; you may wish the government death panel will authorize even 1/10, heck even 1/100, as much for you.

Well, look on the bright side, people can use the cameras to zero in on the targets.

Perhaps they should be equipped with gunnery sights.

Cameras should be installed on all cars to record conversations and searches by police at their unwarranted license check points.

Chinese money talks!

Brakes and seatbelts alone cost consumers $44 billion per year, in terms of added price to the car, ongoing maintenance, and added fuel costs due to extra weight.

A government strong enough to require brakes and seatbelts is also strong enough to ban them.

I never use my brakes anyway.

Whining aside, has anyone else noticed how much easier parallel parking is with a backup camera?

It increases the number of spots you can easily slide into by around 30-40%: spots which used to look hopeless are a breeze.

You can back to within 2.2 inches of the bumper behind you - no contact, that's the whole game.

Backup cameras have revolutionized parallel parking in the same way Benghazi revolutionized our whole concept of outrage.

It won't make your Dodge Ram park like a '74 Honda CVCC, but you will now see creative possibilities in parking that you never believed possible.

Life-changing!