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There can be only one, real BENGHAZI

Why do you hate the government taking care of people?

Besides you have to admit the Kim Jung Un haircut is spiffy?

No.
I'm asking a question, so I can answer yours.

bob2356 says

Are you mocking a man with disabilities like a broken finger and being too lazy to proofread?

bubblesitter says

Yeah, that's the sign of a healthy housing market.

How eerily familiar....this same ole song and dance, only this go around we don't have anyone left to pick up all the pieces

"With this mysterious taper dance an all going on"

No oil in North Korea, so no war. Just like Syria which only has a little oil. I see no inconsistencies here.

....kinda makes you wonder how their allowed to have sex
JACKI, JACKI witb happy ending or without???

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

DIE, KIM JUNG-UN FUCK, FUCKING DIE!

Apparently he really is not a progressive, surprising...

Same goes for all you other assholes that want to attack NK.

I'd start to seek some professional help given your rancorous diatribe over this false dichotomy of Dem vs Rep.

Seriously, it's not healthy. Your slum empire will collapse if you can't focus your positive energies towards crushing your serfs with ever more burdening levels of rent.

How will you then be able to move to Chile?

Bellingham Bill says

We've got 317M people here now and not that many meaningful, wealth-creating, jobs, with easily 100M people more coming by 2050.

Conservatives don't want to be on the hook for hundreds of millions of peoples' welfare, and they think liberal policies allow helpless people to procreate and just overwhelm everyone else.

Yeah, there is some truth to that. But they don't have solutions. We're going to have to figure out ways to help these people be productive, and going forward hopefully our culture changes in key ways. For example mating decisions do need to be based at least in part on finding a mate that can help provide for children.

I'm conservative in this regard. But I'm not opposed to government investment.

The republicans have no ideas for how to deal with the decreasing number of decent jobs. That is other than the magic of lowering taxes on "job creators."

bgamall4 says

It is funny now. It won't be funny then. You phony Zionists who believe in war and doubt the writings of Isaiah will pay with your souls, Bigsby.

Gary, Gary, Gary. I just got off the phone with God, and he told me he put you on ignore months ago.

And by the way, and for perhaps the tenth time, I'm not a zionist (do you have memory problems in your declining years?). God didn't mention his particular views on zionism though. You may be shit out of luck.

socal2 says

Whereas Democrats are still trying to hold together a coalition of immigrants and blue collar union workers fighting for the same work?

If Republicans had half a brain, they could capture quite a bit of the blue collar union vote over immigration "reform".

True, and another example of competing interests would be environmentalists and union workers (sometimes).

But the Unions can address the immigration issue in several ways, the obvious one being to try to unionize the immigrant laborers.

The second would be to acknowledge that the immigrants create jobs by their presence. Witness Hazelton.

Third, Unions have much in common with the immigrant workers. Laborers of all stripes are more threatened and therefore united by Corporations and globalization and the resultant exploitation.

Si se puede!

bob2356 says

Bush, oil wealth. Cheney oil wealth, Rice chevron board, Dan Evans (commerce
secretary) oil wealth. In a word yes stealing oil,

Gawd - we got another Bgmall here.

These nefarious "oil thiefs" forgot to plant WMDs to keep their oil caper from getting exposed! Shit, they were apparently smart enough to bring down the Twin Towers without any fingerprints, but too dumb to ship a few containers of WMDs along with the millions of men/women and tons of equipment that was shipped in and out of the country over a 10 year period? Just ask Bgmall.

Others have already pointed out the obvious in terms of countries already having nukes. And I guess the previous 10 years since 1991 didn't happen, Gulf War 1, sanctions, no-fly zones...? They just threw a dart on the map and picked Iraq?

Again, there are many many legitimate issues to argue over the run up and operation of liberating Iraq. But we still have so many dumb mooks in the West continuing to ape Jihadi propaganda that clouds the debate. Doesn't it give you the slightest bit of pause that you believe the same conspiracies as Jihadis?

The whole muslim behavior of violence towards mohammend films that they find offensive is something that the west should never cave on. In the west, artistic expression reigns supreme so newspapers have right to publish "offensive" political cartoons and filmmakers have right to practice their craft. If some group finds them offensive and resorts to violence in an attempt to shut up the artists, that should never be tolerated. More cartoons and more films must be made and if the "offended" resort to violence, there can be "counter-response".... until they get the message that violent reaction simply does not pay...

no se puede.

Workers in themselves don't create jobs.

If this were true, Bangladesh would be rich.

CL says

But the Unions can address the immigration issue in several ways, the obvious
one being to try to unionize the immigrant laborers.

Sure that is great for the Union management and board making massive salaries. It's also good for the Democrat party looking for another population to infantalize and keep dependent on government to secure their votes.

But what about the average union worker who is competing for the same jobs?

Last I checked we have massively high unemployment. Are Americans too good to work in agriculture and construction now where we need to import un-educated low skilled workers like we are Saudi Arabia or something?

I'd rather pay more for my vegetables and fast food to cover good wages than paying more in taxes to pay for welfare for people on unemployment or to support massive communities of people that can't speak the language and lack primary education.

controlio, you're wrong.

The amnesty was ostensibly meant to end further illegal immigration.

In fact, it encouraged more illegal alien workers coming here.

GDP is not increased by the mere presence of more workers. If this were true, Bangladesh would be rich.

1. Production 2. innovation create wealth.

It's so simple but some guys don't get it.

Capital is the excess wealth from production left over after taxes are taken.

So, our system requires allowing production and innovation to thrive, and not confiscating the excess savings with taxes which are too high.

We already see high taxes interfering with the free movement of capital, Apple, Google and others are keeping $1 trillion offshore because bringing this capital back to the USA means throwing away 35% of it as taxes.

Illegal alien workers do not create any wealth. They simply depress wages and take jobs away from legal workers.

clambo says

The point of Benghazi is it was a lie to the public to suit Obama's political needs before an election. Some people take great exception at being lied to.

Benghazi!! Someone needs to explain to me how Pearl Harbor can occur on FDR's watch, the worst terror attack in history can occur on Bush's watch and both are reelected.

Obama, smelling victory, must've decided he didn't want the obvious BUMP in the polls a sympathetic electorate gives the incumbent.

Conversely, Bush the elder had a spectacular "victory" in Iraq, but since it didn't coincide with the election, he was easily trounced.

Yessiree, the GOP makes a lot of sense. Maybe one more committee will finally get to the bottom of this. Obama was just trying to go easy on Romney rather than trouncing him even worse than he thumped McPalin, Romney being the father of ACA and all.

Because you know that, deep down, the electorate was just aching for some good old-fashioned war and terrible economic policies. If only they knew the truth!

Bubbabear says

bubblesitter says

Yeah, that's the sign of a healthy housing market.

How eerily familiar....this same ole song and dance, only this go around we don't have anyone left to pick up all the pieces

"With this mysterious taper dance an all going on"

Call it Crazy says

bubblesitter says

Remember, prices matter most,

Hmmm... I wonder where I've heard that before???

I'm glad you guys are finally getting it.

SoftShell says

temporarily spinning the news of a terrorist attack into news of an unplanned civil disturbance

Actually, the NYT investigation found no evidence that al Qaeda was even involved:

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/

The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.

Again, this has already been investigated thoroughly -- the effort to keep it in the news is a sideshow with the hope that it's repeated by clueless chumps who can't make real arguments.

clambo says

Illegal alien workers do not create any wealth. They simply depress wages and take jobs away from legal workers.

There's plenty of data on this that you're ignoring. What you're saying flies in the face of facts, end of story.

clambo says

In fact, it encouraged more illegal alien workers coming here.

Again, not true. There was a clear cut-off date that meant further workers would get no relief, and in fact lots of the people who didn't qualify have gone back or gotten deported since then. You're again talking about things that are well-settled in fact.

clambo says

Illegal alien workers do not create any wealth. They simply depress wages and
take jobs away from legal workers.

Someone needs to explain the massive fall of California over the last 4 decades in virtually every metric that coincides with the major increase in un-educated, low-skilled immigrant workers. What went wrong? If it can't work in California which is a massive state blessed with tremendous natural resources to buffer against inept Democrat governance, where on earth can it work?

Republicans have to lie, to trick the dumb ass democrats into forcing heritagefoundationcare down our collective throats

socal2 says

Far more Democrats believe that 9/11 was an inside job or that Bush was aware of it too.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/120815791/Fairleigh-Dickinson-poll-on-conspiracy-theories

"Twenty-five percent of registered voters think it’s probably true that President Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks before they happened, a figure that includes 36 percent of Democrats"

"The most popular of these conspiracy theories is the belief that President Obama is hiding important information about his background and early life, which would include what’s often referred to “birtherism.” Thirty-six percent of Americans think this is probably true, including 64 percent of Republicans and 14 percent of Democrats."

So, no.

You are not entitled to more than what the free market will pay. You should be extremely grateful to your betters that you have any job at all.

High taxes have driven our job creators to Cayman Islands assets. Similarly, high wages drive them to build factories overseas. It is more efficient for the job creators to cheaply staff factories here: this creates wealth for all of us.

The sole obligation of the wealthy is to themselves and their stockholders. If you can't provide better value for money than a Mexican or Pakistani worker, then you're not much of a worker, and it's time to stop spending your money on rims for the El Camino and better belt buckles and get better training, or become an entrepreneur.

The world, the wealthy, and the United States government do not owe you a living. Sink or swim: no more coddling.

We need to take care of the wealthy - give them everything they want. Otherwise they will leave and we will all starve.

jazz music says

That's why it pisses people off so much when you pop their disinformation
bubble. You're trying to tell them that everything they "know" is wrong.

Ha ha! The cognitive dissonance is so thick! Conservatives live in a bubble because they have one cable channel and AM freaking radio!? Really?

Liberals dominate virtually the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT that shapes our culture from Academia, Media, Hollywood, and Music. So we have a bunch of smugly group-think Libs who only know what they hear on Comedy Central and never stray from their conformity.

This Monopoly allows seemingly smart Liberals to believe in crazy things like:

- Efficacy of Ponzi Schemes for municipal pensions;
- Government can run our healthcare - just like their awesome performance running the VA system;
- Importing more un-educated, low skilled immigrants will be good for the economy, wages and unemployment;
- We are all going to drown unless we de-industrialize our economy ASAP and doom billions of 3rd world people back to famine;

It really takes some "well-synchronized lies" for so many people to believe in so many dumb things.

You are forgetting the most important thing here, which is that Bush is not running for re-election. Hillary is.

socal2 says

Liberals dominate virtually the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT that shapes our culture from Academia, Media, Hollywood, and Music.

Again this is using the following definition of liberal.

Liberal: Anyone who is not extreme right wing lunatic.

I see that liberals are still blaming Bush.
Exactly when does Obama take ownership?

It's all Obama's fault!!!

socal2 says

- Importing more un-educated, low skilled immigrants will be good for the economy, wages and unemployment;

Importing low education/low skill, i.e. if we only passed the guest worker program, will result in the overall GDP increasing and wages increasing for high-skilled/high-education workers, but wages decreasing for low-skill/low-education workers. This issue has been studied.

If instead we had comprehensive immigration reform, which includes more provisions for high-skill/high-education workers, a guest worker program, and certain other provisions dealing with existing undocumented immigrants, then our GDP would go even higher and wages would rise across the board. Again, this has been studied.

This link mentions a few different studies:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/economic-benefits-immigration-reform

Most of the rest of what you said is straw man stuff.

corntrollio says

If instead we had comprehensive immigration reform, which includes more
provisions for high-skill/high-education workers,

The Bogus High-Tech Worker Shortage: How Guest Workers Lower US Wages
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-sho/

LOL
This is why I don't buy GM junk.

zzyzzx says

It's all Obama's fault!!!

I actually agree.

bgamall4 says

You have no phone to God, however, you have said you are not a Zionist, but you debunk every Zionist conspiracy.

But this conspiracy to fake vaccines for little children, this disgusting conspiracy and hoax, you cannot debunk, Bigsby.

Whereas you presumably have a hotline to 'him?' After all, you make constant claims about his intentions.

And I debunk your zionist conspiracies, do I? Oh, my. I believe Sandy Hook actually happened. And the bombing in Boston. You think they were two pieces of made up theatre, the impossibility of which is clear to all but the flakiest of conspiracy nuts (I'm talking about you, Gary, if you were wondering). Not believing your laugh out loud nonsense about those events has nothing whatsoever to do with my views on zionism.

And trying to use this vaccination ruse (because it is that rather than a conspiracy or hoax) as some sort of confirmation of your other views is preposterous. It was the method they used to collect DNA samples. Not then completing the full course of vaccinations once they had collected their samples is hardly evidence of your Sandy Hook and Boston conspiracy theories, is it?

socal2 says

California ranks near the bottom for education (despite our massive taxes).

http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2014/01/california-schools-rank-low---again---in-education-week-report.html

Funny how the same link says that Nevada is in last place, despite having extremely low taxes. Maybe education achievement and tax rates aren't fully related, perhaps?

bgamall4 says

Well, in a bubble payments matter the most. But in the real world, ultimately bubble prices can hurt you even if you can barely afford the payment.

Does anyone want to offer a translation of that?

socal2 says

Lets see.

California has the highest poverty rate in the country.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21590933-americas-biggest-state-has-americas-biggest-poverty-problem-not-so-golden

Yet we have the 2nd highest tax rate in the country.

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/20/business/la-fi-mo-taxes-states-20140320

California ranks near the bottom for education (despite our massive taxes).

There are so many indications of the fall of California you could go on forever. California is at the top or near the top of so many negative statistics based on capita. It leads in things like hate crime, neighborhood and school racial segregation, income inequality, worst high school graduation rates, unemployment, etc etc.

And to think this used to be Sunny, Fun, and Rich California. When I was a kid and used to travel, people used to say "Wow, you're from California? You're so lucky". Now they look at you with disdain if you say the same thing. Hmmmm what has changed in the last 25-30 years?

corntrollio says

Funny how the same link says that Nevada is in last place, despite having
extremely low taxes. Maybe education achievement and tax rates aren't fully
related, perhaps?

America spends more per pupil than any other OECD country, yet our education results suck.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

America has shitty bureacracies running our government (thanks to public sector unions). We spend more on everything to get crap results.

Why is it wrong to demand better performance from our elected government as opposed to simply giving them more money to piss away via higher taxes?

IRT - California and Nevada, both have very high Hispanic populations. It is pretty hard to do well in school if English is not your native language.