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Mr.Fantastic says

You and ch_tah have resorted to insulting renters by creating an “angry renter” stereotype, along with a list of somewhat insulting criteria that define the stereotype. You’re basically bashing renters and glorifying home owning

Common tactic by RE vested parties.

Mr.Fantastic says

SubOink says

Also, the amazing thing about the internet is, that it takes 10sec. to read and respond from an iphone. Do you think because I write a post, I cannot BBQ at the same time or lay in my pool? Guess where I am right now

So you’re at your house, enjoying an awesome BBQ on a Friday, getting emotional and arguing with Klarek on Patrick.net about your home purchase on your ultra cool iPhone?

I was laughing so hard - I dumped my iphone in the pool. Thanks a lot!

:)

Fantastic...it seems that you are spending an awful lot time here too...what's up with that? No house to enjoy? No BBQ? No Kids?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

I was just wondering why are the new home owners coming back here after their purchase? It's like all is going well for the newly weds until a divorce, lets see - 3 to 4 years later may be?

reading on SubOink's "Now go and buy a house!" post always give me a WTF moment.
Seriously, the most annoying person on this board for me used to be tatupu, guess what, u now officially just replaced him.

warblah says

reading on SubOink’s “Now go and buy a house!” post always give me a WTF moment.

Seriously, the most annoying person on this board for me used to be tatupu, guess what, u now officially just replaced him.

LOL.

Mr.Fantastic says

SubOink says

Fantastic…it seems that you are spending an awful lot time here too…what’s up with that? No house to enjoy? No BBQ? No Kids?

1) I spend a lot of time reading about the housing market, commodities, funds, and tech.

2) I’ve been a home owner for nearly two decades.

3) No, not anymore, I used to eat a lot more red meat, but I’m getting older so trying to be more healthy. Health is wealth.

4) Yup. One is going to college on the East Coast, and another is out with her mother.

Ok, so you know that life can completely co-exist with posting on a forum. Thank you, you answered your own question.

Btw, on a completely unrelated note : this here ROCKS: http://www.waterproofiphonecase.net/ (no, I am not the seller)

bubblesitter says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
I was just wondering why are the new home owners coming back here after their purchase? It’s like all is going well for the newly weds until a divorce, lets see - 3 to 4 years later may be?

I have been reading this forum for a long time - I haven't "come back", I've never left.

You are talking about buyers remorse, aren't you? Yeah, that's what can happen after you make a any major purchase. Total normal for some people. Buy a car, then regret it. Buy a washer, then regret it. Luckily, I do my research and stand behind my actions. Rarely do I have buyers remorse. Also depends on your relationship with money. But it has nothing to do with posting your thoughts in a forum.

bubblesitter says

warblah says

reading on SubOink’s “Now go and buy a house!” post always give me a WTF moment.
Seriously, the most annoying person on this board for me used to be tatupu, guess what, u now officially just replaced him.

LOL.

You are taking something completely out of context. It was not meant to be literal. Anyways, I knew I could stir you guys up a bit with that...:)

Mr.Fantastic says

Yeah but you’re in your backyard enjoying a nice sunny day, a BBQ, and you’re spending your time on Patrick? You seriously don’t see the irony here?
I’m in the office (I own the office, but regardless), but if I was outside enjoying an outdoor BBQ, I wouldn’t be on Patrick arguing about the benefits of the very thing I’m enjoying. Pointless.

It's a generational thing. I also check facebook, look at utube, text my friends, write emails - patrick.net is only one of 20 things...

But you are right, my wife just said the same thing..."Honey, put the phone down" - It's probably the reason for this recession. Everyone is blogging instead of working.

Mr.Fantastic says

I’m in the office (I own the office, but nonetheless)

Wait a minute, so now your parents' basement is your home and your office? Sweeeet! What else can we call it? You probably play a lot of video games down there, so it's your lair too, right?

ch_tah says

Mr.Fantastic says

I’m in the office (I own the office, but nonetheless)

Wait a minute, so now your parents’ basement is your home and your office? Sweeeet! What else can we call it? You probably play a lot of video games down there, so it’s your lair too, right?

I think he prefers man-cave

warblah says

reading on SubOink’s “Now go and buy a house!” post always give me a WTF moment.
Seriously, the most annoying person on this board for me used to be tatupu, guess what, u now officially just replaced him.

I'm crushed

@klarek

Psychology. One of my relatives(2009 home owner) got a job after few months on tax dollars. The statements coming out after the job offer, "Job market is improving". Now home prices will go up. Reality? I have bought so I want to justify my decision of buying. In fact current sold numbers are coming out lower then 2009 sold prices.

klarek says

Ever notice they’re all the same?

“Yeah I used to be bitter and angry like you are, then I realized it was the right time to buy a house and I wake up every day so much happier than the one before. So now after I made the thoughtless decision, I seek everybody’s unanimous approval and support. If I don’t get it, then that’s because they are angry renters and I am now more knowledgeable than they are.”

You are such a liar. Show me person on here who came back and sought approval and support for their purchase?

tatupu70 says

warblah says

reading on SubOink’s “Now go and buy a house!” post always give me a WTF moment.
Seriously, the most annoying person on this board for me used to be tatupu, guess what, u now officially just replaced him.

I’m crushed

Tatupu, you better step up your game if you want the top slot of "most annoying person" back. I will defend my top position though, so it won't be easy.

Hey Guys, could I get a trophy? I could put it in my new house. I would like it to say "Most annoying ex-renter, euphoric new home owner with massive buyers remorse and severe need to justify a terrible decision on patrick.net while getting sunburned in Pool"

Now go and buy a house...

Mwahahaha...:)

No one should really be saying it's better to rent or buy IMHO. For me I'll just make the comparison using some newly learned logic. may be the biggest gamble I'll ever make. so the numbers need to pan out or I'll have a F'n stroke. really I will. :-(

I happen to use comparable rent for help. You may use the ego meter. or what the Jone's's's are doing meter. Or is my wife happy meter or the F everyone I'm doing what I really F'n want meter. fine by me.

But please folks try to stop with the BS generalizations. I'll really try also (except on full Moons) I bet there is an easy 100-300k separation in income from poster to poster. I mean really that has to be the biggest issue with choice aside from state/city. someone needs to say uncle. you all sound like kids on a school yard sometimes.

Katy Perry says

No one should really be saying it’s better to rent or buy IMHO. For me I’ll just make the comparison using some newly learned logic. may be the biggest gamble I’ll ever make. so the numbers need to pan out or I’ll have a F’n stroke. really I will.

You're right. There are so many variables in all this that its wrong to generalize.

Good luck with your numbers!

Nice people on the forum!! Any of you guys live close to Las Vegas and have though about getting carpet cleaning then look me up. Thanks!

Another Mish article says more clearly:

Shrinking Labor Pool Means Shrinking Demand For Housing

@Philistine

"In theory, you never own a house in full, anyway. Gov’t will tax you on property until you die. Kinda means they will take your house if you don’t pay–which rhymes with renting and paying a mortgage. We still plan to buy shortly–but just sayin’."

From what I've heard of Argentina, you have sales tax but you can't lose your house if you don't pay..However, if you sell or pass the house on then taxes are due. (I like this system).

'nuff said.

They aren't wrong.

All media is ran by large corporate interest. So depending on which channel you watch you'll get very one sided opinions.

Both sides usually have good points, but end up losing my interest when they start going to extremes. And both often do. I think most common format now a days for this propaganda by both left and right is to show an argument and discussion where points for whatever they try to lead to are much stronger than points for the other side. I see that all over tv and radio.

Which is why I can't stand extreme left liberalism or extreme rightism.

if you expect to compete with returns from housing as an investment
you need to buy stocks on margin which is highly risky. You can lose everything.

I like houses because no matter how much the value drops at least you're left with the house.
Doesn't require constant monitoring of your portfolio because It will never go to zero.

Those are some sweeping generalizations on stocks vs housing. Stock don't always rise with inflation. They performed pretty poorly during the inflation of the 1970s. Stocks can be an inflation hedge. As far as dividends go, the dividend yields in the U.S. are pathetic when you look at the corporate profits over the years. There's a time to own each and every asset class and at any given time, one can be more favorable than another. I personally, would agree that "some" stocks will perform well during inflation.

ChrisLA says

can’t stand extreme left liberalism or extreme rightism

? You judge them based on the supposed delivery methods, over the ideas represented?...

What's extreme ?

The trend is toward corruption and away from democracy.

Many people think single payer is extreme, I think it's conservative, and inevitable (in some form).

@Shrek

I dont see anything wrong with Obama stepping in to stop a genocidal dictator...lets compare this to the missteps by Clinton and his failures to prevent the genocides of Rwanda.

How can anyone compare this to Iraq? Afghanistan?

This is going to be a long thread. Who likes Fox News or believes them (of those around this site)? Even RayAmerica doesn't watch them much.

Clarence 13X says

Federal laws protect workers today, not unions.

You know, its interesting that you say that. Coming up soon is the anniversary of the usually well known "Triangle ShirtWaist Fire", look it up, its getting a lot of press lately, where ... about 150 people died in a garment factory fire because company bosses had locked exit doors. There were no regulations then about safety and working conditions then, as there are today.

The incident is well known as leading to "legislation requiring improved factory safety standards", but not until a union had re-formed - the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union - which fought tenaciously for better working conditions for sweatshop workers. A lot of strikes and demonstrations forced the hand of the government legislators, to the legislation that forced companies to adhere to safer working practices didn't just appear magically out of thin air, dispensed magically by the loving hand of the business interests.

Your problem is that you've clearly grown up in an atmosphere where you take the advances and rights that have been forced into existence by difficult and dangerous collective action - by workers and women - as a given thing. You have no idea of the history of your own country.

Is this because of the continuous piles of shit delivered daily by Faux News?

Clarence 13X says

I dont see anything wrong with Obama stepping in to stop a genocidal dictator

Um, "laws"... "process"...? Remember those things? Just because you happen to, at the moment, not like someone does not give you reason to support this kind of action against them. You're kind of really a mess, logically, aren't you?

I understand though, you've been fed this diet of 'personal self-sufficiency' - which sounds great and strong - and of 'left-wing-freeloaders' etc, haven't you?

This action is completely legal and appropriate. We did the exact same thing under NATO during the Kosovo War.

I fail to understand all of the hand-wringing about this action from the far left. Are we going to sit idly by in our warships while Qaddaffi slaughters peaceful protesters?

Congress pre-approved this action with its ratification of the UN Security Council treaties. Obama's actions are completely appropriate and legal.

How do these compare to all the lies told by ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, and almost all major city newspapers, all of which are extremely liberal in their bias?

Dan Rather got canned for that blunder.

SoCal : Yes, we should. Because then those peaceful protesters won't want our precious oil!

It's such a reflex for Fox News to lie without even bothering to check the facts.

One of the writers of the story, Fox's Jennifer Griffin, clarified her story Monday evening. Griffin said she had been unaware that a member of the Fox team, a security guard, was given a camera and went on the trip to Gadhafi's compound.

"I have since learned that Fox did indeed go. I did not know about that earlier today. That is my mistake and I apologize for the error," Griffin said on Greta Van Susteren's show.

The Times of London -- which like Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation -- backed the Fox version of events in a front-page story Monday.

"The Times and other foreign media effectively became temporary human shields on Sunday night when we agreed to be bussed in by officials to Colonel Gadhafi's main compound in Tripoli to visit the site of an allied missile attack," Deborah Haynes wrote in a story datelined Tripoli.

Iit's such an ATTRACTIVE lie isn't it? Although I suppose you could claim one lazy liar has just copied another lazy liar without bothering to look for updates or corrections. No pattern there eh?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/22/libya.robertson.report/index.html?hpt=T1

kentm says

Anne Coulter… she doesn’t even believe her own BS, has often admitted as much,

Being that she has "often admitted " that, I'm sure you'll be able to provide us all with specific examples.

zzyzzx says

Do you even watch Fox News?

Well, I watch Fox “news” from time to time. I also watch CNN, PBS, ABC, The Onion News Network, CBS, MSNBC and CSpan from time to time.

Fox is by far and away the most biased media outlet in the US. It rivals the propaganda output of the Chinese national news.

If you are unaware that the “liberal media” is a myth, then you have been watching too much Fox.

However, like any rational thinking person I would agree that MSNBC has a liberal bias, but that said they lie and distort the truth at levels FAR less than Fox.

Patrick,

Clumsy me. I tried to vote this as a "good post" but I missed and hit the red one (so one of them is mine). But being curious, I voted it as a good story (so one of those is mine too!) That means we can vote on each once... The real count should be 3-1 up to now.

kentm says

Clarence 13X says

I dont see anything wrong with Obama stepping in to stop a genocidal dictator

Um, “laws”… “process”…? Remember those things? Just because you happen to, at the moment, not like someone does not give you reason to support this kind of action against them. You’re kind of really a mess, logically, aren’t you?
I understand though, you’ve been fed this diet of ‘personal self-sufficiency’ - which sounds great and strong - and of ‘left-wing-freeloaders’ etc, haven’t you?

Let me share my story with you again, so that you can stop with the LEFT vs RIGHT antics.

I was raised in extreme poverty, have been homeless 3 times in my life. Lived in Compton and Watts during my highschool years. While in High School we barely had enough food after the 15th of the month so I waited until the end of the line to bring home the scraps. I was not gifted but driven, so my teachers put me in the AP classes and so called GATE programs. I also took up my first job in Highschool to help supplement my fathers menial pay, which, was a direct result of the Jim Crow era that prevented blacks from seeking better employment during the 40s, 50s, 60s. I went to college, unlike many others who sat along side me in High School twiddling their thumbs to the sound of NWA (NIGGAS WIT' ATTITUDES). I went off the college while my peers stayed home following Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube and Snoop's thug nation of stupidity. I have spent the last 15 years building up my skillsets so that I can never again be homeless and be at the mercy of Jim Crow or any of the impoverished thoughts, enslaved mentalities that prevail in Compton and Watts.

I applaud the Democratic party for its passage of Civil, Womens rights....however, I do not bend over backwards for every Democratic protest nor do I stand against every Republican piece of legislation. I am not obligated to support the Unions, Gays, Teachers, or any other group affiliated with Liberalism simply because my parents were poor.

If my peers in Compton want to move forward in life, then they should go back to school, educate themselves and build up their skillsets. Their is not a Union or a President in the world that will ever save them from laziness, mental illness or drug addiction.

Your pathetic, simple minded support of Unions is why we cant reform Government, Educational, wastes. This can also be said of the Healthcare wastes which are a result of blind support of Republicans.

You want my Union Support:

1. Fire all the Lemon Teachers who waste millions of tax payers dollars simply because they have tenure (After 2 Years) and cannot be let go. New York alone has 100 million in tenure salaries for teachers who deserve to be fired (See Waiting for Superman).

2. Fire all the Lemon assistants who wast millions of tax payer dollars griping about how underpaid they are, when in reality their bosses should be typing their own memos.

3. Stop holding companies, governments, school districts hostage simply because the reforms present threaten your entire existence.

No one cares about Unions but union employees because Federal laws protect the workers not the unions. Unions simply keep undeserving, bad workers from being removed fired....that is all they do and ever will be able to do now that they have achieved the greatest 99% progress with the passage of workers rights.

Your pathetic. Find someone with a lower IQ to debate with because I dont debate with FOOLS, I teach them!

shrekgrinch says

Clarence 13X says
How can anyone compare this to Iraq? Afghanistan?
Not the general wars and occupations, but the incidents of photos/videos of ‘atrocities’ (most of what you saw at Abu Graib goes on freely in SF, for example) that get everyone all jazzed up…except if Obama is President, it seems.

I agree, he knows how to deliver a better message than any president before which is why he could say to all of us "Kiss My ***" and a million people would line up the next day.

seriously wounded casualties majority form 2008 and after ( Afghanistan )