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Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Obama has been the most anti-Whistlerblower President in US History; Hillary would be even worse.

Yeah, thank goodness we have an upgrade to a President that's okay with Russia (maybe successfully) influencing our elections.

Gosh, could it be that Trump doesn't want to condemn Russian efforts to illegally influence our elections becasue he is the one they helped elect ?

Probably just a coincidence that all of those arguing that it was okay for Russia to use stolen info to influence our elections happen to be happy that Trump won.

If they had any integrity or intellectual honesty, they would say they are glad Trump won, but that at the same time they are not okay with Russian government meddling in our elections. There are some republicans that have taken that position. Who knows, maybe those are republicans that privately would have strongly preferred Hillary as President.

We should reward Russia for their investigative journalism by removing all sanctions and promoting trade deals on a massive scale. Both our countries have much to gain from trade. Then we should make agreements on world security, response measures to Islam, etc. Finally, we should agree to construct an inter-continental bridge from Alaska to Siberia and construction of a connected highway that will make it possible to drive from Chile to Zimbabwe.
THAT'S how far we should go to improve Russian relations!

.......But when russians spy it is intolerable because that's the narrative that the MSM wants to push. Social media is making it harder for MSM to push half-truths

Quigley says

promoting trade deals on a massive scale

So while Trump works on undoing globalization, we should increase globalization with respect to Russia ? I guess that's based on the idea that they won't undercut us on labor costs ?

I'm pretty sure the irony involved in defending Russia is lost on all the people whose biggest beef with Hillary was that she's corrupt and supposedly thinks she's above the law

PCGyver says

The DNC is not a government agency. They should have spent a little bit of their money on cyber security. And Podesta is a dumbass for falling for a phishing scam.

Their security was a joke. They haughtily turned down FBI offers to assist with hardening and monitoring their IT - probably because they feared leaks from the FBI more than any thing else at the time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/fbi-warned-clinton-campaign-hack-attempts-last-spring-n620361
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-dnc-emails-russia/

marcus says

So while Trump works on undoing Globalization, we should increase globalization with respect to Russia ?

So when the King Of England sends envoys on the Status of Calais or to arrange the marriage of children with the King of France, that was Globalization?

Or just ordinary Diplomacy practiced since the Bronze Age?

I know one thing a President traditionally does not do during their last days in office, and that is make substantial foreign policy moves.

Remember, America was founded on a violent, criminal revolution that violated many laws. It was not legal for the American colonists to revolt against their government, the British Empire. To argue that the law must always be upheld is to argue that our nation should not have been founded.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

So when the King Of England sends envoys on the Status of Calais or to arrange the marriage of children with the King of France, that was Globalization?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Many argue against trade deals they don't begin to understand, because it's more globalization. For many months you and others argued that Trump is awesome, in spite of his obvious personality and character flaws because he promises to magically undo the consequences of globalization. Then Quigley says we need to promote massive trade deals with Russia as a reward of us supposedly taking the neoliberal elites out of power.

That was the context of my comment.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

that is make substantial foreign policy moves.

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

But speaking of norms, the President elect is supposed to realize that there is only one President at a time, and keep a low profile relative to international affairs until after he is inaugurated. But not Trump. He has an image of not having any class and being an idiot to uphold.

Dan8267 says

Remember, America was founded on a violent, criminal revolution that violated many laws. It was not legal for the American colonists to revolt against their government, the British Empire. To argue that the law must always be upheld is to argue that our nation should not have been founded.

There's only one excuse for rebellion against legitimate authority:

If you win :)

marcus says

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

Not really, since we've veto'd pretty much every UNSC anti-Israel resolution (inevitably put forward by regimes far far far far more tyranical and genocidal human rights violators than Israel) since the 1967 "Land for Peace" resolution.

This is a major, major move and even the Legacy MSM can't dismiss this. You realize that most of the Dem leadership in the House and Senate is really pissed the fuck off about this? If just for political reasons.

marcus says

The President elect is supposed to realize that there is only one President at a time, and keep a low profile relative to international affairs until after he is innaugurated. But not Trump. He has an image of not having any class and being an idiot to uphold.

Sorry, that's not how it works. The outgoing President generally focuses on pardoning people on his way out, occasionally putting in some recess appointments and sneaking in an executive order or two on domestic issues sometimes.

Presidents have let forts be besieged by insurgents without Federal response, rather than commit the country to a course of action in the days before the President Elect takes the Oath.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Sorry, that's not how it works. The outgoing President generally focuses on pardoning people on his way out, occasionally putting in some recess appointments and sneaking in an executive order or two on domestic issues sometimes.

Wtf ?

I was arguing that Trump should be quiet about policy, other than talking about his transition, and cabinet appointments and so on. And sorry, that is how it works.

Somebody needs to cut Trump off from his twitter feed for a few weeks, for his own good.

marcus says

I was arguing that Trump should be quiet about policy, other than talking about his transition, and cabinet appointments and so on. And sorry, that is how it works.

Uh no. Speculation about the Cabinet, First Priorites, and the trickling of information from PEOTUS is an American Tradition. Do you remember 2008 at all? Or 1992? Or 1980?

It's also tradition that the Legacy Media gives the incoming POTUS the benefit of the doubt for the first few months of his term, but nobody expects the Oligarch Legacy Media to do that this time.

Now, do you deny that Obama has really dicked over Democrats in the House and Senate? It's funny, the SJWs think they won a victory, but the Top Dems are going to have to swing hard in support of Israel now with super-duper Pro-Israel legislation to re-establish their credibility..

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Uh no. Speculation about the Cabinet, First Priorites, and the trickling of information from PEOTUS is an American Tradition. Do you remember 2008 at all? Or 1992? Or 1980?

Apparently you don't. Aside from 1980, I can't imagine a President elect being this much of an idiot.

OBama's white house is doing what it can to help Trump with the transition, which is very necessary becasue they started so late. The least Trump could do is shut the fuck up, and be a little more circumspect.

Israel just got a massive arms deal from the U.S. THe U.S. has not lost any credibility. Even a huge segment of Isreali Jews have a problem with the ever expanding settlements, and a majority or Israelis are for a "2 state solution," which becomes less and less possible with the expansion of the settlements.

Word has it that Trump doesn't even know what the settlements are. I believe that.

Maybe Trump is not as stupid as I think, and he's taking suggestions from Kissenger or someone like Kissenger. It's smells like a bunch of PR that means nothing.

The only thing we know for sure is that Trump loves to read stories about himself in the newspaper more than any President in modern history.

marcus says

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

There's more and more evidence to suggest Kerry and Rice collaborated with the Palestinians and Egyptians on writing the resolution in the first place.

marcus says

Israel just got a massive arms deal from the U.S. THe U.S. has not lost any credibility. Even a huge segment of Isreali Jews have a problem with the ever expanding settlements, and a majority or Israelis are for a "2 state solution," which becomes less and less possible with the expansion of the settlements.

Who has the power of the purse? That's Congress - and there are Dems backing that as well.

Obama has actually been the greatest Arms dealer since the Cold War. Something like $300B, including to Wahabi State Sponsors of Terror like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The abstention on this vote broke about half a century of US Foreign Policy, at the tail end of a lame duck outgoing President's Term.

And he not only can claim it's okay because Congress is against such a move, he can't even claim it's okay as his own party was both shocked and opposed his radical shift.

The Senate Minority Leader, the House Minority Leader, the Minority Whip and the majority of all Democrats opposed Obama's decision. Nor apparently did he consult them beforehand.

It was literally an unprecedented AND totally unsupported move. Unilateral "to the max".

Oh, and duh, I have to mention this again:

Obama interfered with the 2015 Israeli Elections to get rid of Bibi.

This is from Haaretz, which has an anti-Bibi bias:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-1.639158

So apparently it's okay by Obama to coordinate the sending of his former campaign staff, tax payer money via the State Department, and more.

"There was money moving that included taxpayer U.S. dollars, through non-profit organizations. And there were various liberal groups in the United States that were raising millions to fund a campaign called V15 against Prime Minister Netanyahu," McLaughlin said.

He noted an effort to oust Netanyahu was guided by former Obama political operative Jeremy Bird and that V15, or Victory 15, ads hurt Netanyahu in the polls. McLaughlin said the Israeli leader rebounded after delivering a speech to Congress early this month, prompting more critical ads.

V15 was viewed as part of a broader campaign to oust Netanyahu. The group was linked to Washington-based nonprofit OneVoice Movement, which reportedly received $350,000 in State Department grants. Money to OneVoice stopped flowing in November, officials said, before the Israeli elections.

Another interference was when Netanyahu was invited by Congress to speak to general Bipartisan Acclaim, but then Obama snubbed him and made him leave by the side door at the WH. Another sign of lack of support for Obama's policies, and why this latest move was unilateral and unprecendented.

Ironman says

“Doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory President O statements and roadblocks,” he tweeted. “Thought it was going to be a smooth transition - NOT!”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312162-nearing-exit-obama-seeks-to-tie-trumps-hands

5 minutes later he said the transition is going very smoothly, and that he's talking to Obama everyday.

Don't forget Obama has also decreed by executive order the doubling of H1B and H2B visa limits and rushed to import and settle as many rape-fugees as possible in American communities. He's also established more regulations, created more unwanted state parks, and released more drug dealers from prison than any outgoing POTUS before him.
He is most definitely putting road blocks for Trump, running counter to the established will of America. He's the lamest lame duck ever.

Obama is a scourge upon the Oval Office and the country. The sooner he is gone, the sooner Trump can begin to rebuild.

Yah that's about the gist of it.
DNC gets caught rigging the elections, and in turn accuses Russia of doing the same. A concept this absurd would be laughed out of any fiction publisher's office.

Russian hackers did not write those emails, corrupt Democrats did

Obama's temper tantrum towards the Russian diplomats are merely his marching orders by his puppet master Soros.

#3 is the only rational choice.

Straw Man says

#3 is the only rational choice.

With no more appetite for war in the Middle East, and Apple, Walmart, Samsung,etc.nixing any conflict with China, all Lockheed-Martin and Raytheon really have is to saber rattle on Russia.

Otherwise, they make have to make products for the private sector and compete in the global market, instead of being able to "Develop as we Manufacture", probably the greatest scam ever pushed on the taxpayer.

That being said we need a whole new fleet of planes that can dogfight, however the contractors will bid and a panel of USAF pilots at least 15 years from retirement will make the selection from among completely finished, flyable and testable prototypes.

Booger says

Russian hackers did not write those emails, corrupt Democrats did

Shhh! We're too busy shooting the messenger.

Trump was right, again.

if Putin ordered this, the hacker would have launched the attacks from a cyber cafe in France so nothing could be traced back to Russia.

at least Bush had balls and took out Hussein and helped secured the petrodollar. Obama ordered some useless, crybaby, soon to be removed sanctions to save face.

Ironman says

They all contain poison.

Just another Red State that can't protect it's citizens.

retarded OP on multiple levels

HEY YOU says

Just another Red State that can't protect it's citizens.

If only they had pre-cogs like Blue States do. Or, maybe this beaner was on the Minority Report. Food for thought.

“Breaking News” Obama Will Come Out The Closet After Donald Trump Is Inaugurated.

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(b) Putin wanted the weakest candidate to win.

If Putin would have wanted the weaker President, he would have told America to stick with the best don't mess with the rest.

I believe it's been a proven fact you can see Russia from Sarah Palin's poorch.
It was the only truthful thing said in 2008.

Let's ask Obama which country is the big threat.

www.youtube.com/embed/T1409sXBleg

Obama's journey to the dark side is complete.

Look at Mitt a perfect establishment Tool he knew who was going to win.

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HINT: You guys are rooting for the WRONG team.

Joe McCarthy Dindu Nothin' Wrong! Traitors!

I found Putin's laptop with malware tools in a Pumpkin Patch in Maryland!

Clearly, Putin doesn't consider lame duck Obama worth even responding to at this phase of the game. He's like "da, da, send out the real man in charge you nimby pansy boy!"
Responding to provocation with clear contempt is a sign of strength.
And no, I'm not against America.
Americans mostly don't feel animosity towards Russia, and Putin hasn't expressed anything like hatred for America, the way the Muslims Obama keeps pushing on American communities always are.
Obama hasn't represented real America for a long, long time.
He represents me about as much as the Canadian Prime Minister does.
Less, since he's lost all power in 20 days.