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The supreme court really screwed up with their ruling that we must educate children of illegals free of charge. At the very least, we could have mandated they pay some tuition or taxes and provided the service. That's the simple solution. America was built on importing cheap labor. They attracted the Chinese in the 1800s. Then the Irish. Then the Italians. Then, the Eastern Europeans. Why we tried stopping the flow from Mexico is beyond me.

wormwood says

I asked, “is there any good reason why our country would want to try to control who gets to enter and become a citizen?

Of course. But we aren't talking about the borders, and I'm not aware of liberals having issues with protecting our borders. But for the 11 million or whatever the number of undocumented workers there are, we just aren't going to deport them. Most sane conservatives acknowledge that.

Nomograph says

Remember, the idea that illegals are all on welfare is simply propaganda; illegals don’t qualify for government assistance beyond emergency medical care.

On this point you're incorrect: some illegals qualify for SSI (supplemental security income) which pays a minimal amount to people who don't otherwise qualfiy for benefits. This opens the door for medicaid, housing, etc. However, it's not applicable across the board.

theoakman says

The supreme court really screwed up with their ruling that we must educate children of illegals free of charge.

I don't think that's a screw-up; I'd rather have those children in school learning than hanging out doing nothing.

wormwood says

Nobody wants to be in a fox hole with a liberal, an atheist, who has no moral compass, no standards when the sh*t hits the fan.

This is stupid. We all have love in our hearts for our country. But you prove that you have much more space in your heart for hatred and fear. But on some level you must know that these emotions of yours are supported by sub par reasoning.

A little less ego would help you, as would taking a little more pride in not looking like such a fool. Oh, I forgot, this is anonymous. You're the type of person I would want to be in a fox hole with, which is the type who briefly uses some handle on forums like this to for anonymous Glen Beck style trollish comments. (until you are ignored by all of the types of people I actually would want to be stuck in a fox hole with (ie if I had to be stuck in a fox hole) - then you change your identlty - and continue)

marcus says

Instead, you go in to a retarded Glenn Beck style rant.

SOOOO Only Liberals are allowed to call people they don't agree with "Retarded"?

Got it, making a note...

Tenouncetrout says

Liberals are allowed to call people they don’t agree with “Retarded”?

TOT, he called the rant retarded.

http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/

wormwood says

Nobody wants to be in a fox hole with a liberal, an atheist, who has no moral compass, no standards when the sh*t hits the fan.

I don't believe that's one of the questions that's asked on the military entrance exam; I've completed extensive research (106 minutes, to be exact):

Recruiter: Have you ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor? That's robbery, rape, car theft, that sort of thing.
John Winger: Convicted? No.
Russell Ziskey: Never convicted.
Recruiter: Now, are either of you homosexuals?
John Winger: [John and Russell look at each other] You mean, like, flaming, or...
Recruiter: Well, it's a standard question we have to ask.
Russell Ziskey: No, we're not homosexual, but we are *willing to learn*.
John Winger: Yeah, would they send us someplace special?
Recruiter: I guess that's "no" on both. Now if you could just give Uncle Sam your autograph...

You're welcome.

Well if we're going to be all Political Correct and be bombarded with commercials on our Liberal media outlets chastising people for their colorful use of words. Like it's not OK call someone or something you don't agree with "Retarded" then that should go for ALL of US and not just intended for the Fox viewership.

Otherwise shut the Liberal Pie hole and lets have open discourse complete with PC incorrect verbiage and all.

marcus says

What would you call it Tot?

I'd call it retarded too, but I'm not a sanctimonious prick.

Tenouncetrout says

I’m not a sanctimonious prick.

You might want to re-read some of your many posts - you'd change your mind.

Where are you looking? I have a company with 3 phase in central NY state and real estate is more reasonable.

Among other comments about Glenn Beck, my favorite is that he was named the most loathsome person in America in 2010, declaring "It’s like someone found a manic, doom-prophesying hobo in a sandwich board, shaved him, shot him full of Zoloft and gave him a show. (the buffalo beast)

Dictionary.com says

Retarded: a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard

Tenouncetrout says

but I’m not a sanctimonious prick

The truth hurts. Ouch!

elliemae says

Tenouncetrout says

I’m not a sanctimonious prick.

You might want to re-read some of your many posts - you'd change your mind.

Eschew Obfuscation

No I'm just a Pompous ass. Sanctimony is not my strong suit.
I'm just a lowly pissed off citizen.

I think they need to make everyone on welfare work the fields, instead of convicts.

EMan says

Yup, that seems to be what Amazon is saying to all of its former CA affiliates.

You need to register your business outside of CA through a law firm. Than you can go back to being an affiliate for Amazon. That's what others are doing now.

Sure, just set up a shell corporation in Wyoming for patrick.net. It's convenient, cheap, and easy. You can share the same headquarters as thousands of other shell corporations. It's truly a cottage industry. It's what all the cool tax dodgers are doing this year.

The guy is an admitted realtor already.

LOL.

Bubble Bobble says

This is what I have to work with, 40 acres, 1.5 hours from home, no power, no water, dirt road access. This one isn't mine but I have one like it.

*Deleted* Just realized this is a commercial thread and not about surviving on junk land.

BB- Thank you for Bid4Assets - great site!!!

Some hilarious stories behind some of these properties... google "River Ranch Acres". Basically, a redneck haven where owners are chased off their own land, as it interferes with the anarcho-redneck commune of trailer livin' and tobacco chewin', 6 trailers hooked into one generator with some extension cords to power the bug zapper and the 13" B/W under the awning. Central Florida, boy howdy, 90F / 90% humidity, true Savannah/Swampland livin'.

Like the properties in DC and Dayton and Jackson, MS. Either total rubbish, inhabited by a gang of well armed heroin salespersons, or with god knows how much in back taxes that will probably be many times what you pay for it, which is probably why the seller wants out.

1oz Silver Coins by a private mint with little collectible value ("Generic Silver Round") being sold for $130+S/H, a 400% markup.

But there may be a gem in here somewhere. Nothing like buying a $300 piece of land for shits and giggles. :)

I think most Americans are ok with 10,000 troops there if the Iraqi government "requests" it.

And yes, these troops are protecting the peace we brought to Iraq.

All the "Serious" commentators, left and right, agree, and only marginalized extremist whackos want otherwise.

pretty much, actually.

"America's headed the wrong way fast - six million foreclosures, 14 trillion in debt, 500 billion in higher taxes and the worst long-term unemployment in generations,"

"Don't let Obama drive us to disaster, change direction."

Tenouncetrout says

"America's headed the wrong way fast - six million foreclosures, 14 trillion in debt, 500 billion in higher taxes and the worst long-term unemployment in generations,"

that's not Obamas fault, thats pretty much everyones fault. Banks and Wall street for their cronyism, deadbeats that bought into this for their greed.

Rent Seeking behavior blows. It encourages laziness and speculation; and punishes actual productivity and innovation.

It's not just about land anymore, now they are trying to make ideas into property - not just the limited rights to protect and reward innovators, but permanent, multi-generational revenue streams.

Obligatory:

Troy says

I think most Americans are ok with 10,000 troops there if the Iraqi government "requests" it.
And yes, these troops are protecting the peace we brought to Iraq.
All the "Serious" commentators, left and right, agree, and only marginalized extremist whackos want otherwise.
pretty much, actually.

“Nessuna soluzione . . . nessun problema!„

I'm not ok with 10k troops in Iraq. Having troops anywhere in the mideast is destabilizing. It's a magnet for terrorist activity and a great boon for extremist terrorist organizations recruiting. Osama bin Laden was banished from Saudi Arabia in 1990 for speaking out against having Us troops based there. He then built Al-Qaeda and did his recruiting by denouncing American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has always been largest source of money for terrorism. If the US really wanted to fight terrorism then we would stop treating the Saudis with kid gloves.

Iraq was at peace in 2001 when we went in, how did we bring peace?

Just curious. You said "HOA" won't let you run a business.

I'm unaware of any "HOA" properties that are 20 acres in size.

You said you could run this out of your house, yet you need 20 acres if you run it somewhere else?

bob2356 says

Iraq was at peace in 2001 when we went in, how did we bring peace?

Chalabi & the INC replacement government. There was going to be no settlement with Saddam's government. The optics were too bad on this.

It's a magnet for terrorist activity

We can't let terrorists dictate what we do and don't do.

If the 10,000-strong force has a training mission, I see no problem with it.

Abandoning Vietnam completely in 1973 did in fact throw away the investment we had made in Thieu's regime, and was a mistake (but a mistake dictated by the national disgust with the war by 1970).

bob2356 says

Iraq was at peace in 2001 when we went in, how did we bring peace?

It makes sense in Newspeak coming from the Ministry of Truth.

War is peace.

That's how we brought peace. See, in order to bring peace you must bring war. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

We're there already:
War is peace: Look at Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc...
Freedom is slavery: Destroy unions so that we all become corporate wage slaves with no benefits.
Ignorance is strength: Dismantle public education. Vilify intellectuals while elevating the ignorant. (e.g. The best president is a "regular guy who you can have a beer with." [sic])

It's amazing that this country decided to take George Orwell's warning about a possible future and turn it into a blueprint for "progress."

That's doubleplusspecial.

I hope that the Ministry of Plenty increases the ration of chocolate again.

EMan says

You need to register your business outside of CA through a law firm.

Incorporation is easier than you think. You don't necessarily need a law firm for a relatively uncomplicated business.

just_passing_through says

Flying into LA there was a multi-row discussion around me (I just listened) about how all were from LA but only visiting. They'd moved to San Antonio for the better business climate.

I noticed you didn't list either a) where in LA they moved to San Antonio from (they could have been from Bakersfield for all you know), b) what business they were in, and c) any other details that would matter. It's easy to relate such an anecdote, but harder to think critically about it.

simchaland says

Sure, just set up a shell corporation in Wyoming for patrick.net. It's convenient, cheap, and easy. You can share the same headquarters as thousands of other shell corporations. It's truly a cottage industry.

Anyone sophisticated that is doing business with a random Wyoming corporation would first wonder why they were registered in Wyoming and want additional assurances.

Well why was Bush horrible

#1 was putting crooks in charge of overseeing the nation's banking system, some of the same idiots who blew it up the last time with the S&L crisis under Reagan.

http://dorkmonger.blogspot.com/2008/11/cutting-red-tape.html

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/080928_rove.htm

But while disastrous, this wasn't the core failure of the Bush years. That would be screwing up the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, getting ~4000 soldiers killed and pissing away 2-3 trillion dollars.

2-3 trillion dollars. It's unbelievable, really. The mideast fuckup may still in fact cripple this country as a going concern.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629

Putting Alito and Roberts on the supreme court is just a partisan thing; if you're Republican it's a good thing and if you're sane it's not. At any rate the difference between these two clowns and Sotomayor and the other lesbian is obvious.

Cutting taxes in 2001-2003 instead of getting our fiscal house in order.

Medicare Part D being a ~$60B/yr give-away to pharmaceutical companies.

NCLB putting test-taking in place of education in this country.

E-man says

We hear all the stories about how first-time-buyers lose out to investors, probably 'all cash' (no one can verify).

This is not true believe it or not. It's emotion that was doing the talking when FTHB lost out on an offer.

The homes I have lost out on were absolutely lost to all cash offers, this has been verified, all of them closed in only a couple weeks. And to the original post, yes, they have all been under 400k. I would say those most at risk are homes either in decent condition that would rent for good money, or homes in decent areas on very large lots. The cash prices were for asking or significantly above asking price.

"It's a magnet for terrorist activity

We can't let terrorists dictate what we do and don't do.
"

Where have you been for the last ten years buddy?

Terrorists have been doing exactly just that for awhile now.
They want the U.S in Iraq and Afghanistan, because it proves their point.

E-man says

However, the all cash offer was well above the asking price. Do you know of any investors that would love to overpay for properties?

The best offers during the boom are the ones foreclosing today.
Yep! real winners all right...

Troy says

Abandoning Vietnam completely in 1973 did in fact throw away the investment we had made in Thieu's regime, and was a mistake (but a mistake dictated by the national disgust with the war by 1970).

Explain how support for an extremely corrupt, totally repressive authoritarian, completely inept christian government that took power in a fixed election in a 95% buddhist country represents an "investment"? Your 401k must be interesting.

permanent_marker says

I would venture out and say, 'bottom' properties (below 400k) attracts lot of investors, while 600k and up may be not so much

So many sellers in the 600K range drop their price to $500K or less on thin demand, which competes with $400K range which drops to attrack buyers. And so it goes with the correction.

bob2356 says

in a 95% buddhist country represents an "investment"

most people in SVN weren't big fans of the communists by 1974. I don't think Thieu had a chance since the peace agreement we gave him in 1973 was just an armistice to let us get our POWs out, but in the mid-1970s if we had been serious about defending the Saigon regime (as serious as we had been in 1965-68) our investment in Saigon would have paid off as well as our interventions to save the Seoul and Taipei regimes from communism.

We made tons of mistakes, but overall we were trying to do what was right.

corntrollio says

just_passing_through says

Flying into LA there was a multi-row discussion around me (I just listened) about how all were from LA but only visiting. They'd moved to San Antonio for the better business climate.

I noticed you didn't list either a) where in LA they moved to San Antonio from (they could have been from Bakersfield for all you know), b) what business they were in, and c) any other details that would matter. It's easy to relate such an anecdote, but harder to think critically about it.

I relate anecdotal experiences on here all the time and yes that is completely different than real data.

I still find my experiences in the real world as they relate to what I read in print interesting.

For instance:

Housing bubble bursting and personal friends of mine choosing to short sale, sell and or walk away. There was a real lag between what I'd been reading about and actually experiencing some sort of confirmation.

I've been hearing about a lot of businesses leaving CA-specifically and heading to other countries, states etc.. Odd to hear them (one row up, both left and right aisles and didn't get all the details. Wouldn't have noticed them at all if a guy at one end didn't stretch to speak to the others opposite. He was pretty dramatic about missing LA but sure, he could have missed Bakersfield that much I guess.

This is a bad thing for the U.S trucking industry.

If this goes through expect a decline a of the U.S trucking industry as more trucking routes within North America are based out of Mexico and wages and one of the last few decent paying jobs for high school grads start to go to Mexican truckers who probably are paid around 15K a year.

It's the Republican's fault!

We're loosing 2 Billion to Mexico my Ass their gross GDP isn't 2 Billion. American Truckers will lose more than that.
I wonder what pissed of Bushes Democrat controlled Congress that they revoked this, but under King Sugar Britches it's all good to reinstate. Did somebody get Paid?

"Yeah yall we got Paid, show me the paper, gimme my rubber stamp!" Love Obama's Democrat Congress

most buyers right now are complete suckers cash or no cash. it's really a great market to sell in, buying is bad.