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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38552917

"US President-elect Donald Trump has acknowledged a report by intelligence agencies that Russia tried to hack the presidential election, a top aide says.

"I think he accepts the findings," incoming chief of staff Reince Priebus told Fox News Sunday".

bob2356 says

Macropodia says

All that crap was just for show and tell...


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/10/border-patrol-ordered-to-release-illegals-still-so/

Give all the agencies more money to enforce the border, then tell them to stand down...LOL...

From your article

“The U.S. Border Patrol has not issued any stand-down order to agents,” the agency said in a statement to The Washington Times. “The Border Patrol’s enforcement posture and operation is the same as it was in 2014 and 2015, agents are issuing Notices to Appear consistent with law, regulation, and enforcement priorities.”

Want to produce a copy of the actual stand down order? I notice it's not in the article. What a surprise. I'll wait, and wait and wait and ...

MMR says

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Poll: Without Daddy's Money, Effeminate Trust-Fund Twit Donald Trump Would Be:

Sounds like a scientific poll; in other news, if my grandmother had a dick, she'd be my grandfather

AF has a point. It's foolish to admire a person for being rich when the only reason that person is rich is because he inherited great wealth. It certainly does not show good business skills.

The Truth is out there, but you wont find it on a Cable channel.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

The number I am looking at is $1 million turned into $10 billion. A remarkable achievement by any standard.

So you are saying he inherited nothing? Want to back that up with something. Anything?

Crickets chirping.

WorkInProgress says

THE TRUTH DOES NOT EXIST.

www.youtube.com/embed/MMzd40i8TfA

joeyjojojunior says

"I think he accepts the findings," incoming chief of staff Reince Priebus told Fox News Sunday".

Trump accepted that Russia probably hacked the DC, along w many other countries. This is the same info already known from the wikileaks themselves. Trump followed up the meeting w a general statement about cyber security, and has called the MSM russian story "fake news" as recently as last week.

Thank you for sharing.

Even AiA has been infected w TARD

Trump won't go to jail. Putin will pardon him.

Here's something for Ironman to chew on:

http://www.snopes.com/wsj-different-trump-headlines/

WorkInProgress says

Who is your truth teller?

Jesus Christ: The Way, the Truth and the Life.

WorkInProgress says

Is he/she/it better than my truth teller?

Yes.

"Thanks for proving my point, that two different headlines were printed the same day."

Actually it proved your source was lying. It wasn't different markets. That's what happens when you believe memes floating around on facebook though.

I thought the Trump solo press conference was pretty refreshing. I guess the VSPs (Very Serious Persons) in the press corps do not like it when Trump does not follow convention. The general subtext of Washington public discourse is that there are 3 levels of context to any conversation.

1. policy.
2. "politics", which one might call meta-policy discussions, or trying to sell, rationalize and justify policy choices.
3. meta-politics, talking about the context in which politics is conducted: The unwritten rules, the practices, the deep state, and the character and quality of the media/public discourse about politics.

The "sin" that Trump has committed is that he brings up meta-politics when he speaks. He will talk about how the press behaves, how politicians behave, and he is not afraid of violating the number one unwritten rule of meta-politics: You don't talk about meta-politics. Meta-politics is only allowed in smoky back-rooms, out of the public eye.

I wish people would concentrate on Trump policy and actions. There is plenty to criticize, starting with handing over economic policy to Goldman Sachs alumni. But the Russia thing is so far mostly a big Red Herring. Since when does speaking with an ambassador count as "having contact with intelligence officials"? Why is nobody calling out the press on that obvious misrepresentation?

"Trump accepted that Russia probably hacked the DC, along w many other countries. This is the same info already known from the wikileaks themselves. Trump followed up the meeting w a general statement about cyber security, and has called the MSM russian story "fake news" as recently as last week."

OK, so he accepts that Russia hacked the DNC and released the emails in a strategic fashion to try to sway the election in Trump's favor then?

What exactly is "fake news" then?

that's kind of sad actually (referring to Dan).

"Since when does speaking with an ambassador count as "having contact with intelligence officials"? Why is nobody calling out the press on that obvious misrepresentation?"

Because that is not what they are representing. Other top Trump aides were in frequent contact with Russian intelligence officials, according to US intelligence officials. Paul Manafort and Carter Page have been named as the aides. Not Flynn.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-team-repeated-contact-with-russian-intelligence-michael-flynn/

@joeyjojojunior,

Fake news is clearly in the mind of the beholder. Fake News == Propaganda.

And equally clearly, the mainstream media (of all political leanings) have been printing lots of fake news over the years. But I think what happened with the current Fake News concept was that the mainstream media tried to shift the blame of fake news onto the OBVIOUS fake news of the tabloid and Breitbart or Fox-type right-wing media. This was a diversionary tactic to avoid being criticized for all the crazy propaganda that they normally spread.

The dangerous fake news is not of the obvious type "Obama controlled by Martian invaders", but rather the "Trump controlled by Russian intelligence officials".

Well, we can agree on one point--fake news definitely seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

>>Other top Trump aides were in frequent contact with Russian intelligence officials, according to US intelligence officials. Paul Manafort and Carter Page have been named as the aides. Not Flynn.

@joeyjojojunior, There is a lot of conflation of any official as being an intelligence official, and a conflation of what one person did with what another person MAYBE did.

In the link name, Flynn is implicated, and the word "intelligence" is used.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-team-repeated-contact-with-russian-intelligence-michael-flynn/?ref=patrick.net

In the article headline, Flynn is NOT implicated, but "Trump Team" is, and the word "intelligence" is highlighted.

QUOTE headline: Trump team reportedly had repeated contact with Russian intelligence before election

And in the article text, Manafort and Page are implicated, but only for having contact with "officials". Note carefully that only the word "official" and not "intelligence official" is then used. But the net effect is to associate Manafort and Page with Russian intelligence officials.

QUOTE article : Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former campaign adviser Carter Page also reportedly talked to Russian officials last year.

The above is a great example of misrepresentation, fake news and propaganda. The link name, headline and text are all saying different and inconsistent things, but having the net effect of tarring Flynn, Manafort and Page as having had contact with Russian intelligence officials, even if a lawyer might be able to argue that "cbsnews did not actually claim that".

This is how fake news works. Just using your example. FAKE NEWS CAN BE VERY SUBTLE, propganda likewise.

I'm not even sure what you are arguing here. That the name of the link is misleading? Who cares? Nobody gets their news from article link names.

The story reads as if sources told CBS that there is significant evidence of repeated communication between Trump officials and Russian intelligence during the campaign, but the sources didn't share exactly which people are implicated. The author then speculates based on what is known fact.

Without Daddy's money, Trump would be selling pencils at Realtor conventions.

joeyjojojunior says

I'm not even sure what you are arguing here.

Fake news and propaganda is often hidden in the subtle wordings being used. Many readers will conflate certain generic accusations with specific persons mentioned, even if care was taken by the journalist (or propagandist) not to actually mention the accusatory word ("intelligence") and the name of the person in the same sentence.

Am I being too subtle for you ;-) :-)

Trumpligula has ordered 3000 full length and ceiling mirrors in the Orange House, because he likes to watch.

"Fake news and proapganda is often hidden in the subtle wordings being used. Many readers will conflate certain generic accusations with specific persons mentioned, even if care was taken by the journalist (and I use that term lightly) not to actually mention the accusatory word ("intelligence") and the name of the person in the same sentence."

I guess I don't follow because I have no trouble understanding the meaning of words that are written in an article. What are your proposing? That reporters cannot do investigative journalism?

Good point you made in the OP:

Trump does absolutely nothing to restrict the freedom the press.

They are perfectly free to criticize absolutely everything he does all day long. And that is in fact what they do.

justme says

Fake news and proapganda is often hidden in the subtle wordings being used. Many readers will conflate certain generic accusations with specific persons mentioned, even if care was taken by the journalist (or propagandist) not to actually mention the accusatory word ("intelligence") and the name of the person in the same sentence.

You obviously don't know any reporters. The one's I've known just aren't anywhere near that good even if they had the time. Most are simply throwing words in as fast as they can to get the story out. When you hear hoof beats think horses, not okapi.

joeyjojojunior says

I guess I don't follow because I have no trouble understanding the meaning of words that are written in an article. What are your proposing? That reporters cannot do investigative journalism?

Look at what you did there: You conflated my criticism of subtle misrepresentations and propaganda with me wanting to disallow investigative journalism.

Nice!

"Look at what you did there: You conflated my criticism of subtle misrepresentations and propaganda with me wanting to disallow investigative journalism. Nice!"

Not at all. I'm trying to understand your criticism. You acknowledge that they aren't really misrepresenting anything-just that people who read too quickly or without comprehension might mistake the meaning of the story. My question is how is that the reporter's fault? They can only report--they can't control a reader's propensity to misunderstand. Or, in many cases, taint the meaning of the story due to their biases.

"Which part of "Same paper, same date" did you not understand?"

I got that part. Which part of "different markets" did you not understand?

Why do they hate the fun, amoral world of sociopathic manipulation?

"Beyond the lake, stretching to the horizon in every direction, was the stark white of the permanent polar ice pack"

https://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole

Trumpligula was wearing a hammer and sickle emblazoned halter and open ass chaps during the press conference to deny the Russian rumors.

deepcgi says

The USS Skate surfaced at the ice free North Pole on March 17th 1959.

Yes and they spent days under heavy ice looking for a break in the ice. Read Surface at the Pole by James Calvert skipper of the skate.

Nice bit of bullshit though.

Ironman says

Thanks for proving my point, that two different headlines were printed the same day.

I still remember hearing Trump's speech in Arizona. The newspaper had two very different headlines the same day, because Trump behaved like two very different people the same day. I thought that it was the beginning of the end for him, but apparently people didn't notice or didn't care about the crazy behavior. It was a preview to his weird phone calls with foreign leaders after becoming president.

The WSJ readers were not being manipulated. Everybody who was listening to Trump without critical thought was being manipulated.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-icahn-tajmahal-idUSKBN15L2NB

Icahn to sell closed Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City

Icahn, a special adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump, the original owner of the casino, will sell the Taj Mahal - possibly at a loss - instead of investing the $100 million to $200 million it needs to keep going, according to a statement on his website.

Icahn closed the 26-year-old Taj Mahal in October 2016 after failing to reach a new contract with union employees.

deepcgi says

I cannot possibly count the number of sensational headlines showing why we should freak-out and pay taxes because of retreating ice at Glacier Bay.

Unfortunately for the political crowd, we know precisely where the glaciers were in the early 1700's. Heavy glacial retreat was underway by 1750. They intentionally ignore how the trend began in Glacier Bay more than 150 years before the industrial revolution. This is because the truth would damage the plan for Carbon Taxation.

Hate to break it to you, but there are glaciers other places besides glacier bay. Most glaciers started retreating mid to late 1800's. The industrial revolution was in full swing by the mid 1700's with common use of coal burning steam engines. So you are off by 100 years or so. But hey don't let facts screw you up.

Some things are objective and are either true or false. For example, 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true.
Other things are subjective, and are neither true nor false. For example, 2 is way cooler than 3.
Some things are objectively true or false, but are unknown. For example, Trump either has syphilis or not. We just don't know.

Trump makes many statements that are objectively false. For example: He claimed that his was the biggest electoral win since Reagan. This is just false. There is no other truth. There are no alternative facts. There is just the truth on the one hand and Trump's lies on the other.

Trump makes other statements that are subjective. For example: He claims that he inherited a big mess. There is no objective definition of what constitutes a mess. So, this is subjective. Other examples would be his statement that America is no longer great and doesn't win.

In many cases, experts agree to a high degree that something is true, but has not been proven. An example would be that humans have contributed to global warming. Experts typically agree based on evidence. Many times statistical evidence is overwhelming. An example would be that a drug trial shows that there is less than 1% chance that the observation was due to chance (P less than 0.01)

Sometimes something has been shown to be very unlikely, but is not accepted by many people including Trump (an example would be immunizations causing autism).

The OP didn't provide much insight, but the topic is interesting and relevant these days.

I suspect that this topic is coming up in regard to Trump, who has launched an ongoing attack on the media. He has also launched an ongoing effort to obscure the truth by repeating what are clearly lies or fringe beliefs. What is happening is that more and more things that should be widely accepted based on solid evidence are being questioned for political reasons.

Ironman says

Do you have a problem with FACTS?

I marked that post as ad hominem. See this post https://patrick.net/1303192/2017-02-20-to-anyone-who-cares?c=1382898#comment-1382898 for a discussion of the difference between facts (objectively true) and subjective statements. You made some subjective statements that were ad hominem. I marked it as such, because it was obvious. If you want to make that post, just do so again and label it for what it is.

zzyzzx says

Icahn to sell closed Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City

Icahn, a special adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump, the original owner of the casino, will sell the Taj Mahal - possibly at a loss - instead of investing the $100 million to $200 million it needs to keep going, according to a statement on his website.

Icahn closed the 26-year-old Taj Mahal in October 2016 after failing to reach a new contract with union employees.

Dumb unions. They did not accept Icahn's offer, and they won't let anyone else accept it either. I'm sure a lot of workers would be ready to accept Icahn's offer.
Now everyone loses. Fucking commies.