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Hater says

1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

Climatologists were wrong then (maybe) what makes them so right now?

In the 70s, the concern that human activity would push the earth into a positive feedback loop of cooling was entirely reasonable based on projections of increased aerosol and particulate emissions which block at high altitude and/or reflect sunlight away from the surface. These smog components proved relatively easy to eliminate from smokestack and tailpipe emissions through emission control regulations and systems, leaving primarily CO2, a potent GHG.

Silly the way non-scientists consider this a contradiction or error in climate science, or proof that "scientists don't know what they're talking about."

Automan Empire says

In the 70s, the concern that human activity would push the earth into a positive feedback loop of cooling was entirely reasonable based on projections of increased aerosol and particulate emissions which block at high altitude and/or reflect sunlight away from the surface. These smog components proved relatively easy to eliminate from smokestack and tailpipe emissions through emission control regulations and systems, leaving primarily CO2, a potent GHG.

If that is correct, then global warming is caused by environmental regulations imposed since the 1970s, and could be easily solved by repealing some of those. American voters recently elected a President who campaigned on repealing some regulations and restoring smokestack industries.

@Ironman is that a photo of the actual house in the original post above?

That would be unthinkably beautiful for $600K around the SF Bay Area. Maybe winter is worth it...

rando says

That would be unthinkably beautiful for $600K around the SF Bay Area. Maybe winter is worth it...

$600K in the SFBA? Maybe a one-bedroom condo in East Palo Alto.

Dibs, I'll take it. what's the preferred payment method?

a lot of irony in these gold sales...
- making a thread claiming it's "safe" to buy gold again then unloading his gold inventory shortly. really? are there other bad investments that need bailing out?
- so all these years he has been nervous and hoarding gold under Obama's regime and it's only now that he begins to have trust in the economy again. yet he refuses to admit Trump is a much better president???

Mother Nature is just getting started.

I'd be very happy if people would use patrick.net to sell more stuff.

Go for it! No fees from this site. But don't cross the line into spam, i.e. links to some viagra site.

Eventually maybe there would be revenue from relevant ads.

indigenous says

Where is the money trail on this?

The timing is conspicuous, if true is he that stupid or just doesn't give a shit?

Ironman says

His 3rd Home, was this a "pay-off" gift from Hillary??

Nothing like not knowing what you are talking about. But that is the natural state of some posters. His wife sold her family house in maine to buy this one. Duh. http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/08/08/bernie-sanders-buys-a-summer-home-in-north-hero

“My family had a lake home in Maine since 1900, but we hadn’t had the time to go there in recent years — especially since my parents passed away,” she said. “We finally let go of it and that enabled us to buy a place in the islands — something I’ve always hoped for. ”

But hey don't let pesky facts get in the way of being an idiot.

Despite the ramblings of the oppressed left, the theme of the thread in all it's glory remains determinedly poignant.
The oppressed are homeless and starving while their great white haired spokesman can't seem to get enough residences to cover his ass...

Ironman says

The Man Of The People, Bernie Sanders, Buys $600K Summer Home

Some think that the bank regulations were designed not so much to avoid disaster but to deter competition. I don't know if this is true. I'm not sure about the repeal of the regulations but I hope it won't lead to another bubble.

Yes, actually the northern CA coast is very nice and not all that expensive either.

But there are not so many humans around, and very few jobs outside of marijuana cultivation.

I like people. Actually a smallish town might be ironically much better for meeting lots of people than a city. Maybe some place with a population of about 10,000.

Reposting again. This is starting to demonstrate the Barbara Streisand Effect.

Reposting post marked ad hom for supression. Also marked Hater's posts ad hom in retaliation. @Patrick, how's that ad hom working? Looks like a lot of abuse.

Hater says

Dan8267 says

Climate change is a problem that is both important and urgent, and thus should be handled right away

How you gonna make those foreign polluters obey?

This is like arguing that we should not try to stop terrorism simply because not every state is doing so. It's a retarded argument.

1. Pollution is cumulative. So the pollution we add matters regardless of what other states do.
2. Pollution is most destructive locally. More reasons why we should stop polluting our land, air, and water.
3. Yes, there are plenty of mechanisms for reducing world-wide pollution by all states.
4. There is the political will from other states to cooperate on pollution control. This was proven with the Kyoto Protocol.

The Only Nations That Haven't Signed 1997's Global Climate Treaty are Afghanistan, Sudan & the U.S.A. (Great company we're keeping.)

A total of 192 countries have signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol, the 1997 treaty that's the closest thing we have to a working global agreement to fight climate change. That's almost every country, state, and even one "regional economic integration organization", according to the United Nations.

Saying that the United States can do nothing about climate change because we don't have the cooperation of other nations is completely wrong and beyond stupid.

Hater says

And there is nothing you can do to stop global warming. So stop scaring the children with dire scenarios and start lobbying to cut population and pollution, which are the REAL problems facing humanity.

Climate change is a real problem, and it's occurring right now and creating problems right now. But like most problems, it will get must worse if left to fester.

Your selfish and defeatist comment reveals your intent. You don't care that climate change is real or its effects are terrible. You simply don't want us addressing the problem. That is why you should not be respected. You have never been concerned about the truth or what is best for America, only preventing selfish people like you from being able to pollute and impoverish the rest of us to satisfy your own greed.

You are also wrong about there being nothing we can do to mitigate and prepare for climate change. If that were the case, you would not be afraid that we will do those things. We can start with pollution control laws and pollution taxes. As I stated, this is the free market solution. Allowing pollution is corporate welfare and letting the state pick winners and losers. Pollution is communism.

Hater says

And you think Al Gore didn't say all of the ice would melt unless you give him money.

He did not say that, and only an idiot would claim so.

The only people with profit motives are the polluters denying climate change. They are like the tobacco industry claiming that smoking does not cause cancer.

It takes a particularly immoral scumbag to lie when lives are at stake. How Unamerican is it to endanger your fellow Americans with lies? It's as bad as terrorism.

Hater says

Why do you want to farm in Manhattan?

If you don't understand my response, you are beyond hope. I cannot dumb it down any more. Everyone else got the point.

Hater says

@dan8267

You don't win a debate by telling other people how stupid they are. And if you really think someone is so stupid, why debate them?

Keep it civil, argue ideas not who fucks more goats

Oh honeybuns, I presented verified evidence from experts and countered every single debunked lie you repeated. It is you who is not rising to the challenge of debate.

Oh, and civility means not lying in a debate. You can disagree about opinions. You can present honest evidence to support your case. You can make rational arguments against the other side's evidence. But if you post false evidence that has been debunked and keep claiming it as legitimate evidence while simply discarding without cause real evidence, then you are not debating and not engaging in civilized discussion. You are trolling and writing propaganda. It is dishonest, and you will be called on it.

Hater says

Again I ask, would you rather live on a tropical planet or an iceball?

I'd rather live in the subtropics, which I do right now, but won't be able to do when Florida is under water, which is already happening in all of Miami-Dade county. Our streets that have never flooded before and now flooding routinely. We see the effect of rising sea levels RIGHT NOW and it threatens our jobs and our homes. It's not an academic issue to us.

What right do you have to destroy our homes and our businesses? Why should we simply accept the loss of trillions of dollars of real estate and tens of trillions of dollars of businesses? Your greed and minor fiscal benefits does not outweigh that.

This thread is the epitomy of irresponsible do-nothings, who blame everyone else for their problems, but can do nothing to fix things themselves except piss and moan.

Keep talking about mans ability to dominate nature when we can't even predict rain. Keep bitching about coal while you drive your oil and coal powered cars(how do u think electricity is generated...). Keep saying how enlightened you are with a house full of petrolum based products, and no thought ever reusing anything.

Just remember what will outlive your endless gas of irrelevant words, is your environmentally irresponsible footprint.

This discussion is useless.
When there is a million dead bodies in the streets of Mumbai or Karachi, it will be more convincing.
We can then point fingers at idiots.

repost

Hater says

@dan8267

You don't win a debate by telling other people how stupid they are. And if you really think someone is so stupid, why debate them?

Keep it civil, argue ideas not who fucks more goats

Oh honeybuns, I presented verified evidence from experts and countered every single debunked lie you repeated. It is you who is not rising to the challenge of debate.

Oh, and civility means not lying in a debate. You can disagree about opinions. You can present honest evidence to support your case. You can make rational arguments against the other side's evidence. But if you post false evidence that has been debunked and keep claiming it as legitimate evidence while simply discarding without cause real evidence, then you are not debating and not engaging in civilized discussion. You are trolling and writing propaganda. It is dishonest, and you will be called on it.

Reposting again

Reposting again. This is starting to demonstrate the Barbara Streisand Effect.

Reposting post marked ad hom for supression. Also marked Hater's posts ad hom in retaliation. @Patrick, how's that ad hom working? Looks like a lot of abuse.

Hater says

Dan8267 says

Climate change is a problem that is both important and urgent, and thus should be handled right away

How you gonna make those foreign polluters obey?

This is like arguing that we should not try to stop terrorism simply because not every state is doing so. It's a retarded argument.

1. Pollution is cumulative. So the pollution we add matters regardless of what other states do.
2. Pollution is most destructive locally. More reasons why we should stop polluting our land, air, and water.
3. Yes, there are plenty of mechanisms for reducing world-wide pollution by all states.
4. There is the political will from other states to cooperate on pollution control. This was proven with the Kyoto Protocol.

The Only Nations That Haven't Signed 1997's Global Climate Treaty are Afghanistan, Sudan & the U.S.A. (Great company we're keeping.)

A total of 192 countries have signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol, the 1997 treaty that's the closest thing we have to a working global agreement to fight climate change. That's almost every country, state, and even one "regional economic integration organization", according to the United Nations.

Saying that the United States can do nothing about climate change because we don't have the cooperation of other nations is completely wrong and beyond stupid.

Hater says

And there is nothing you can do to stop global warming. So stop scaring the children with dire scenarios and start lobbying to cut population and pollution, which are the REAL problems facing humanity.

Climate change is a real problem, and it's occurring right now and creating problems right now. But like most problems, it will get must worse if left to fester.

Your selfish and defeatist comment reveals your intent. You don't care that climate change is real or its effects are terrible. You simply don't want us addressing the problem. That is why you should not be respected. You have never been concerned about the truth or what is best for America, only preventing selfish people like you from being able to pollute and impoverish the rest of us to satisfy your own greed.

You are also wrong about there being nothing we can do to mitigate and prepare for climate change. If that were the case, you would not be afraid that we will do those things. We can start with pollution control laws and pollution taxes. As I stated, this is the free market solution. Allowing pollution is corporate welfare and letting the state pick winners and losers. Pollution is communism.

Hater says

And you think Al Gore didn't say all of the ice would melt unless you give him money.

He did not say that, and only an idiot would claim so.

The only people with profit motives are the polluters denying climate change. They are like the tobacco industry claiming that smoking does not cause cancer.

It takes a particularly immoral scumbag to lie when lives are at stake. How Unamerican is it to endanger your fellow Americans with lies? It's as bad as terrorism.

Hater says

Why do you want to farm in Manhattan?

If you don't understand my response, you are beyond hope. I cannot dumb it down any more. Everyone else got the point.

Keep bringing attention to this post.

Reposting again

Hater says

Comet hits earth, all life destroyed.

Let's get to work on that comet avoidance system. It will be costly, but don't you care about the children?

This is an idiotic comparison, coupled by the fact that we should be starting a program to prevent comets and asteroids from wiping out the Earth. But even if that were not the case, you'd still be wrong.

All I can say is that you must truly suck at business if this is how you think. As anyone competent in running any business in any field knows, there are two aspects of a problem: importance and urgency.

A problem is important if it has a significant impact. A problem is urgent if it must be solved soon or not at all. The very first thing you work on are problems that are both important and urgent, then urgent, then important, and you don't bother with things that are neither.

An asteroid or comet hitting the Earth and wiping out all of humanity is extremely important, but not at all urgent since its such a rare event. As such, a wise business man would start a non-rushed task to slowly and cheaply come up with a solution. That solution would not have to come anytime soon, but you can make a little progress every month.

Climate change is a problem that is both important and urgent, and thus should be handled right away. Any decent business man would acknowledge this and be pro-active in finding a solution.

All of this is obvious. You would suck at business.

Former Atlantic Club building sold to be redeveloped:
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2017/03/13/vacant-atlantic-club-water-park-rr-development.html

Ironman says

@zzyzzx, you listening??

Yes, you are getting the same offers that I am getting. That isn't always the case, which is why I asked in the first place, but at this point I'm sure that all the Tropicana offers you have been getting are exactly the same.

note from badraig

Ironman says

Did you get the one yesterday for $59 with the $15 food credit? The place must really be hurting, I haven't seen this many offers so close together.

You mean the one for the Havana Tower Rooms? Yes.

NuttBoxer says

How can you possibly pretend to measure what you cannot understand, even in it's most basic forms?

I can't speak for you, but I certainly can understand nature, and so can scientists. You see we have tools that enable us to do this like the scientific method, experimentation, and mathematics. As for measurements, core sample measurements are entirely reproducible and thus unfakeable.

Dan8267 says

but I certainly can understand nature, and so can scientists.

When you and the "scientists" predict the rain with 100% accuracy(an easy task for those claiming to understand the types of interactions that would precipitate global warming), you let me know, and I'll issue my formal apology.

The only thing more bloated than GWA speech is their egos.

second note from badraig, should be delivered to patrick

NuttBoxer says

What would the "other side" of individuals be? Aliens?

No. Cooperation.

NuttBoxer says

When you and the "scientists" predict the rain with 100% accuracy(an easy task for those claiming to understand the types of interactions that would precipitate global warming), you let me know, and I'll issue my formal apology.

Apologize now because I'm going to explain to you the difference between climate and weather.

www.youtube.com/embed/YbAWny7FV3w

Let me know if you need it dumbed down some more.

Dan8267 says

What would the "other side" of individuals be? Aliens?

No. Cooperation.

Co-operation is not a contrast to individuals, its a contrast to fighting. Please quit abusing the English language to justify your small, nonsensical ideology. I use the word ideology because your beliefs have more to do with religious fervor than rational thought.

F------ D-------s,
Do any of you have any ideas about using modern Physics or Chemistry to reverse global warming?

God give me some Repubs to solve these challenging issues so the 'Crats can lecture the Repubs "why did it take so long"...........

Dan8267 says

Apologize now because I'm going to explain to you the difference between climate and weather.

Let me know if you need it dumbed down some more.

I'm gonna dumb it down on my own:
"Climate is the statistics of weather..
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate

NuttBoxer says

How can you possibly pretend to measure what you cannot understand, even in it's most basic forms?

NuttBoxer says

When you and the "scientists" predict the rain with 100% accuracy(an easy task for those claiming to understand the types of interactions that would precipitate global warming), you let me know, and I'll issue my formal apology.

Guess who just ran themselves in a big circle trying to look smart...

Quotes from GLOBAL WARMING (CLIMATE CHANGE) advocates:

“We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster… to bomb us into the stone age, where we might live like Indians.” -Stewart Brand, Whole Earth Catalogue

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States.” -John Holdren (1973 [before the global warming scare]), Obama’s current Science Czar

“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing.” -leftist Senator Tim Wirth, 1993

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse. Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” -ex UNEP Director Marice Strong

EXPLICIT calls for deception:
“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” -Paul Watson, Co-Founder of Greenpeace
“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” -Sir John Houghton, first ipcc chair
“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.” -Stephen Schneider, lead ipcc author, 1989
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” -Daniel Botkin, ex Chair of Environmental Studies, UCSB
And their criminal bullsht that never came true (and never will):
“Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.” -Noel Brown, ex UNEP Director, 1989
“A billion people could die from global warming by 2020.” -John Holdren 1986
“By 1995 somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.” -leftist Senator Gaylord Nelson, 1970
“[Inaction will cause]… by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” -Mustafa Tolba, 1982, former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program
“In twenty years (2008) the West Side Highway [and thus much of Manhattan] will be under water.” -James Hansen, 1988, NASA
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/11/mikey-and-kev-upset-that-trump-is-cutting-off-their-scam-funding/#comment-29516

WISDOM
“In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galileo

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

NuttBoxer says

Please quit abusing the English language to justify your small, nonsensical ideology. I use the word ideology because your beliefs have more to do with religious fervor than rational thought.

You are full of shit. Calling something a religion does not make it so. And you are not making an counter-argument, just baseless assertions.

www.youtube.com/embed/f8U_JveHS8E

NuttBoxer says

Dan8267 says

Apologize now because I'm going to explain to you the difference between climate and weather.

Let me know if you need it dumbed down some more.

I'm gonna dumb it down on my own:

"Climate is the statistics of weather..

"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate

Sounds like your upset because you were caught with your pants down. It's pretty sad that you have to resort to Wikipedia, the online "encyclopedia" that
1. Claimed that Plato was an ancient Hawaiian surfer and weatherman taught by Barney the Dinosaur.
2. Listed a war that never happened for five years.
3. Had an article about a historic figure that didn't exist for ten years.
4. Has been routinely shown to have false information planted by corporations and governments.

But hey, why use a peer-review journal that doesn't say what you want when you can use a free-for-all propaganda site with no credentials that everyone can edit?

Do you really think you'll earn respect doing that?

Anyway, the bottom line is that you were wrong to equate weather and climate. And the statement that unless scientists can predict weather with 100% certainty, they can't know anything about changing climate is just plain stupid and wrong. But feel free to double down on it.

Dan says

Quotes from GLOBAL WARMING (CLIMATE CHANGE) advocates:

Who the fuck would advocate climate change? In any case, I don't care what hippies say. If hippies said they wanted to bomb terrorists, would you protect terrorists to spite the hippies?

What matters is what the real-world ramifications of climate change will be. We should act in our best long-term interests, not the short-term interests of a few greedy assholes.

Great--let's see Trump's returns for the last 10 years to compare with Romney and Sanders!

What does he have to hide??

Ironman says

Ahhh yes, Bernie the man of the people, living off of Socialism, the hard work of someone ELSE to benefit himself!!

Jealous that bernie has something nicer than your shitshack in the armpit of the world?

rando says

That would be unthinkably beautiful for $600K around the SF Bay Area. Maybe winter is worth it...

rando says

Yes, actually the northern CA coast is very nice and not all that expensive either.

Patrick's started to pack his bags. Go Northern California.

Maybe yes in my mind. Eureka/Aracata is reasonably nice and perhaps big enough.

John remembered passing out in his bed and Jane telling him she was leaving. Jane remembered collapsing into a bean bag chair and waking up to discover John on top of her, wearing a condom.

OK, this is another good bit of evidence that we should bar kangaroo courts and require real courts to assume that a woman voluntarily alone in a bedroom with a man has consented to sex.

Ok will do. Please let me know when you get it. You can mail it to J.D. Beiswenger 803 Thornton Street, Minneapolis, MN 55414

I sure appreciate it!