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They needed 7 votes more in the house, last I heard. All sorts of new 'compromises' going into this bill at the moment.

The truth is, people are going to suffer more, regardless of the vote. It's also likely to be proportionally worse for Trump supporters themselves.

The only people Trumpcare is good for is wealthy people that are already on medicare that get a big tax cut. EVen Trump is smart enough to know that he's way better off politically sticking with OBamacare. He can tell his wealthy buddies that it's congress' fault. That way he doesn't get blamed for something worse.

SIngle payer is inevitable. How long do we have to wait for it ? I'll be on medicare long before it happens.

BlueSardine says

You really need to rethink this statement.

I don't want a Mulligan. Why don't you enlighten me.

Ironman says

Why

It would be fun to see what he does if they deliver a bill next week. Would he veto it?

YesYNot says

It would be fun to see what he does if they deliver a bill next week. Would he veto it?

Hahahaha. You mean you think he would actually know what was in it, or care enough, to veto? This is all about impressions to him.

The Repubs tune is going to be "See, Obama care is horrible! Look." ... as they let it fall apart and replace it with garbage. "So sorry. Obamacare was really awful wasn't it? Yes, yes. Well, we need to pass bucket three of the bill, then things will start to work. Believe me. Believe me."

You think this whole thing is a ruse to punt on health Care? If Congress is in on it, that could be smart on his part, I guess, if Obamacare does collapse with no support from gov.
Otoh, if they give him a bill next week, he is kind of stuck. If he vetoes, he has to own Obamacare​, and Congress can blame him. If he signs the bill, he will look weak. I don't know if his ego could take it.
I'm guessing he would sign it and claim a victory for being the guy who whipped everybody into line. But most people and the media would laugh at him, and that would put him into a deeper funk.

Ironman says

The dumbing down of the population is complete!!

Sadly, it is still going on.

I voted for Trump, but this is shitty legislation and should not pass.

Repeal that shit, not modify it.

It's a terd, and painfully obvious it's a fucking terd.

Seems like Obamacare isn't all that important to Trump after all

No.
This is a hurdle you need to jump over.

YesYNot says

BlueSardine says

You really need to rethink this statement.

I don't want a Mulligan. Why don't you enlighten me.

I feel bad for you.
Here's a hint.
https://books.google.com/books?id=LK_yCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=probability+of+ball+A+touching+ball+b&source=bl&ots=ZvQQZTJip-&sig=o6jO-WIx3xAfgYDwa9hKiRHuxSw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ67LNnu_SAhWLw1QKHay2ChwQ6AEIPDAF#v=onepage&q=probability%20of%20ball%20A%20touching%20ball%20b&f=false

You are nobody if you don't own a million dollar crap shack.

As a whole, due to demographics, baby boomers had it pretty easy. Because they didn't save personally and publicly (public debt), that puts pressure on subsequent generations. The much bigger issue though is the with Gap. Millennials with upper income parents who save have it pretty good, while their less fortunate cohorts will have to learn to make do. Maybe that will give them the 'hunger in the belly' that people need to thrive.

Precedents are a bitch...

Ironman says

Rew says

You mean you think he would actually know what was in it, or care enough

You'd have thought that Trump and Ryan would have learned something from the passage of Obamacare.

I hope this does pass so Republicans can own it now. Would make for interesting mid-terms.

This garbage keeps up, I'm quitting my job, and running my side biz full time. I'll keep my income levels below $20k year (on paper) and collect all the free shit handouts from the gov.

This whole healthcare thing has gotten fucking stupid starting with Obama. Paul Ryan can suck a dick with what he is pushing.

Listen to the people or get the fuck out!!!!!

How long did it take to legislate Obamacare? Why?

How many budget analysis passes were done? What did they show?

Relative to Trump, how much skin in the game did Obama have?

To compare this to how Obamacare was passed, and claim equivalency, is woefully uninformed. What they have in common is that they are both healthcare bills. Trumpcare is like copying off the student next to you, for an essay, and turning it in first to teacher ... as if that was meaningful to the content at all.

Are you guys really pretending that Trump isn't pushing this bill? And it's only Ryan? Are you kidding me? How many meetings did Trump have yesterday pushing, negotiating, cajoling Congressmen? Trump owns this one too.

Dan8267 says

I heard Columbia offers some exotic experiences.

Dan, you got it wrong, it's Colombia not Columbia.

Columbia is an Ivy League school in NYC, overrun by Femi-Nazis like the 'Mattress Girl' ...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/columbia-student-defamed-by-mattress-girl-is-suing/article/2563566#!

Rin says

Dan, you got it wrong, it's Colombia not Columbia.

Columbia is an Ivy League school in NYC, overrun by Femi-Nazis like the 'Mattress Girl' ...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/columbia-student-defamed-by-mattress-girl-is-suing/article/2563566#!

BTW, this guy will never find work in the financial services sector nor the management consulting zone because more or less, he's blackballed. And thus, there's really no point in him, attending Columbia to begin with, because it's not going to advance his career in elite recruiting circles.

YesYNot says

Maybe that will give them the 'hunger in the belly' that people need to thrive.

They probably had it and not single one yet 30:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/21884?size=_original#caption

Can you get plots of maximum, minimum, and or yearly average ice extents over the years? It would be interesting to see what the standard deviations are and how 2016 looked relative to the standard deviation to see how unlikely it was from a purely statistical perspective assuming that there was no long term trend. If 2017 is a repeat, it would be important to see if there are correlations between consecutive years. If 2017 is a repeat, and there are no consecutive year correlations, the statistical chances of this being a coincidence would be very much smaller.

I'm asking you rather than doing it myself, because you seem to be into these plots and might know how to get those data.

Play the trend in the RE market.

Sorry, I already made that joke because I forgot about this thread and thought it was new.

Wow - that's pretty convincing. There's no need for any statistical analysis to see that there is a long term trend in ice volume.

Regarding the south pole, where 2016 is more interesting, the data are available to whoever generated those plots in the OP.

Regarding climate data, I've heard that NOAA data has already been taken offline. There's been an effort by the Trump administration to try to monetize the data. They want big data companies to bid to develop and implement the infrastructure to charge. Yee ha, baby. I just checked briefly, but it's been a while since I've downloaded the data, and I don't feel like searching to see if those data are still available.

Obama the constitutional scholar-what a pig he was.

So are you telling me the upper midwest will be sub-tropical in a decade?

Now if that's a real picture taken from space of the artic sea ice, then why did the world's highest paid Photoshop editor, the guys that work for NASA have to put color filters on it?
Doom and Gloom can stand on its own. Global Alarmers never present facts or pictures and let them stand on their own. Do you know why? Of course you know why! Becuase it hold's no argument!

Explain what? That a guy who retired from the USAF in 1996 is making shit up? Why do I care what he thinks exactly?

And just in case you needed a reminder too:

Brad Pitt?

Did Obama send the Russians home to troll to see if any Repubs would be called or call to see whats up with the reactionary President

Fox brings a general on to speculate, although he admits that he "doesn't have the details", but thinks that's what will be found when they go into a closed session...

Hmmm. Sounds very conclusive rolleyes. Trumpies would call this type of speculation fake news if it were put out by CNN. This interview is squarely in the infotainment category of news that shows up on the flakier of cable news shows. It's a good thing that liberals can recognize it for what it is rather than getting their thin skin wrinkled over it.

Are we tired of winning yet?

Dems lining up to fillabuster Supreme Court nom. Reason:

- you blocked a valid nom of a standing president who won by over 5 million votes
- your president is under investigation

Deliscious! Repubs probably have to change nomination rules.

This, healthcare, and active investigations. lol... so f'ed! So f'ed in midterms and 2020.

Yes, that WAS winning. Only people at fault were the repubs for not playing and making it better.

Think about this. The GOP Establishment has allegedly been trying to get rid of Obamneycare for years. Many votes.

Yet in the years since it passed, they didn't have a prewritten bill to deal ready to pass. Like MIC friendly Congressmen did with the Patriot Act (written in the 90s long before 9/11).

Interesting, eh?

It's almost like they didn't really didn't want to kill a massive corporate subsidy.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Think about this. The GOP Establishment has allegedly been trying to get rid of Obamneycare for years. Many votes.

Is the freedom caucus now the Establishment? Are you kidding me?

They voted against the bill because Trump's plan was too generous, in their opinion. They wanted to get rid of the pre-existing conditions and Trump campaigned on keeping it. The establishment was on board, although the bill sucked and did nothing that Trump promised. Would have saved no money because all the savings from kicking out all the poor people would have been paid out to the 1%. Reduced coverage and no savings. Lose-lose.

Not sure how Trump could have failed any worse on this one.

Ironman says

On May 2, 2014 Trump tweeted:

"Negotiations 101: The best deals you can make are the ones you walk away from...and then get them with better terms."

A lot of people aren't seeing this.

That's what the freedom caucus clearly believes. They called Trump's bluff and won.

YesYNot says

Fox brings a general on to speculate, although he admits that he "doesn't have the details"

Doesn't have the details is the same as ironclad irrefutable proof to ironbrain. True because I believe it should be true is his life mantra.