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Tenpoundbass says

I'm sorry this means what exactly?

Does this mean we lock of Obama yet or do we start shooting each other the street?

Two words: President Pence.

Straw Man says

Two words: President Pence.

That'll be his comeupPence

Why? I already got what I wanted: TPP Killed and Globalism given another kick in the ass after Brexit, Westphalia preserved. That's all I hoped for - anything else is gravy. I'm probably getting a ban on Invade-Invite Refugees, too, esp. once Gorsuch is nominated, which is going to happen.

Not a Trump fan - but this argument is so frigging dumb it hurts.

What would a "pro-Russia" foreign policy look like? Seems to me, it would look an awful alot like what Obama did for 8 years and what Hillary was campaigning to do in 2016.

- Reduce fracking in the US
- Reduce oil exploration and production on federal lands
- Reduce the size of the military
- Give Russia a freer hand in the Middle East (as Obama did in Syria)
- Give Russia's ally (Iran) billions of dollars in the nuclear deal
- Abandon the missile shield in Poland and Czech Republic

Trump has campaigned and is doing the opposite of everything listed above.

American frackers have done more to hurt Putin and OPEC than anything else and Hillary and the Democrats (working in the pockets of Putin and Saudi Arabia?) have done everything they possibly can to prevent the US from becoming energy independent. Remember Obama saying "we can't drill our way to lower oil prices"?

PCGyver says

You keep saying this but is it even possible?

Is it possible for Judges to dictate domestic security policy?

What we have here is a big dick contest. One that Trump will ultimately win. Because well he's the President, and two the Liberals are too petty and too fundamentally flawed on every human level to pull off what they are trying to pull off.

Remember I'm in South Florida I have not been in the best of company over the last two years. After the election Trump got no love here, and every Liberal I knew honestly believed everything CNN said. More and more of these people are coming around. And more and more are saying while they still think Trump grates them the wrong way.
The Liberals are not the Democrats they thought they were. They are abandoning the Clinton/Obama legacy they fully disavow it 100%, they don't see mainstream Democrats doing the same. They see them doubling down. These folks will probably become the marginalized voters and never vote in their adult lives again if nothing changes.
The only thing Liberals have at this point, is celebrities that loathe America and Faggots that wants to turn our kids out.

The Democrats are fucking hurting Bigly!!!

Trump approval reaches all time new low : 36%.

He could very well still achieve the lowest approval rating ever. Still time.

He is now lower than Obama ever reached by 2%.

Rew says

Trump approval reaches all time new low : 36%.

Hillary has a 98% chance of victory.

The Patriots will lose the Superbowl.
Eric Cantor will easily defeat his Primary Challenger.

This is Gallup. For the deepest historical comparison you can go to virtually no other source.

Trump is an epic fail in just 64 days.

socal2 says

If Trump was cutting back oil production in the US or reducing the size of our military, you would at least have some plausible explanations as to why Putin would favor Trump over Hillary.

Trump can't do shit for Vlad now. His hands are pretty much tied by all this shit coming to light. Poor Vlad, no detente/reset for him.

Rew says

Trump is an epic fail in just 64 days.

Tee Hee!

Well, he's not Hitler then. By the end of the year he'll be "Not my favorite, but I can put up with him." That's Scott Adam's prophecy, at least.

socal2 says

As always, the Democrats are the Russian's best friends.

Funny how throughout the 80s, even Establishment Center-left Rags and Programs ran "Let's get along with the USSR" editorials on a regular basis.

Today, you can't find one that doesn't postulate that Putin is Hitler and never, ever a contrary position.

The same people who rah-rah'd Obama's "Russian Reset" and snickered at Romney in the Debate about the level of threat Russia posed, are now like
"HOLY FUCK!!! RUSSIA!!!! RUSSIA DONE DID THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER THING!!!!"

www.youtube.com/embed/T1409sXBleg

Rachel Maddow rips Romney on Russia, March 2012
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/romney-doesnt-know-how-fake-foreign

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Funny how throughout the 80s, even Establishment Center-left Rags and Programs ran "Let's get along with the USSR" editorials on a regular basis.

Today, you can't find one that doesn't postulate that Putin is Hitler and never, ever a contrary position.

Just the 1980's?

The Democrats have been easy on Russia until about 2 minutes ago when they thought they could use it to take down Trump. There is hardly a Russian ally or Marxist government that Democrats didn't support.

And lets not forget Ted Kennedy's actions in 1984.

"Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”"
https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

The Cubs will never win another World Series!
2016 FOR THE WIN!

Once again, Trump is this front man. Bannon is the brains.
Now Trump can appeal to Democrats (which he has) and ask them to fix things. This brings them to the negotiating table, actively participating in the process instead of sitting back and saying "No." Once everyone is talking again, something can be hammered out that will please the majority and Trump will sign it.
This is a marathon, not a sprint you ducking duck!

Quigley says

Now Trump can appeal to Democrats (which he has) and ask them to fix things. This brings them to the negotiating table, actively participating in the process instead of sitting back and saying "No." Once everyone is talking again, something can be hammered out that will please the majority and Trump will sign it.

So, what exactly changed after this debacle that will bring the Dems to the table now as opposed to 2 weeks ago?

You lack the ability to argue cogently. Your response to my post was to make up quotes and build a little straw man to further your convoluted point.
Time to buy a book and go to school!

joeyjojojunior says

So, what exactly changed after this debacle that will bring the Dems to the table now as opposed to 2 weeks ago?

Because people are still overwhelmingly displeased with Obamacare, whose costs continue to skyrocket out of the means of even the most ardent supporters. If the Democrats show a resolve to keep it AS IS without any modifications, then they own the slow motion disaster and lose even more bigly next election. As a purely political move, this one is a master stroke.

Quigley says

Because people are still overwhelmingly displeased with Obamacare, whose costs continue to skyrocket out of the means of even the most ardent supporters

But my question was what changed in the last 2 weeks. All of those things were true before Trump was humiliated by this bill failing. Why didn't he just work with Dems from the start if that's what he really wanted to do?

Quigley says

If the Democrats show a resolve to keep it AS IS without any modifications, then they own the slow motion disaster and lose even more bigly next election. As a purely political move, this one is a master stroke.

Whatever you say.

For the challenged ducks, let me make this simple. The President can NOT legislate by himself! He needs about 450 congressmen to do that! Balance of powers! Honestly it's like you've never cracked a social studies book.

What's changed is that the GOPe has been shown for the fraud that it is! They had seven years to come up with a better plan and they failed miserably. The other stuff hasn't changed and is most relevant to your original question which is why I gave it. The GOPe thought it was in power but has now learned differently. The factions which remain must come together to produce something that is actually good for America. Trump can NOT legislate! The most he can do is encourage people to legislate and sign off on whatever is produced!
Read your Constitution, people!

Two months is hardly the cut off. He's got four years to corral the globalists and MAGA.

I think Trump is doing OK so far.

He's certainly giving it a good go at implementing much of what he promised asap. Not sure most people really want him to follow through on putting Clinton in jail, but the wall and replacing Obamacare may yet happen.

Tenpoundbass says

The only thing Liberals have at this point, is celebrities that loathe America and Faggots that wants to turn our kids out.

The Democrats are fucking hurting Bigly!!!

Я называю дерьмо этим товарищем

Quigley says

What's changed is that the GOPe has been shown for the fraud that it is! They had seven years to come up with a better plan and they failed miserably. The other stuff hasn't changed and is most relevant to your original question which is why I gave it. The GOPe thought it was in power but has now learned differently. The factions which remain must come together to produce something that is actually good for America. Trump can NOT legislate! The most he can do is encourage people to legislate and sign off on whatever is produced!

Read your Constitution, people!

So what changed?

Did you somehow not know that ppaca was written by The Heritage Foundation?

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

The point was they wouldn't, they'd double down on it. Which they did. Which showed the voters that the GOPe was everything they were afraid it was, and sowed the seeds of its decline. Trump is, hopefully, the first in a line of reformers. He's a bully and a swaggering fool at times, but he was what was available for the populist movement that was due. You know that the majority now believes cannibis should be legal? That's populism baby, but the entrenched deep state doesn't want it. You still have the same enemy, it's just going to take time. You gotta hang in there like MLK and his Dream.

I don't see any sinsemilla smoke stains on this ScotusFACE...
and you know what that means you libbie hemp huffers...

Win some lose some. No Hillary in WH is a win in itself.

errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

Good point.

Why would Ryan, whose wife is a lobbyist for Pharma, BC/BS, and other insurance companies and private hospitals, wanna kill his working wife's cash cow?

Ryan was trying to hide the penalty by shifting the payee from the IRS in your income taxes, to the insurance company when you suck it up and pay the rack rent after avoiding ludicrously overpriced health "insurance". That would help save the Obamney care by redirecting Public Ire and Impetus from Reform away from DC.

They'd call in some Idaho or South Dakota monopoly insurance provides, yell at them a bit in committee, and then go to recess with nothing changed.

Tenpoundbass says

Just watch, Trump is showing you how you deal with those Ass holes.

So far, Trump 0. Credibility 0. Under siege from public, the media, and his own intelligence services. Favorability dropping. Sharks circling looking for a reason to impeach.

Trump better move to burn down the Reichstag quick, because at this rate he isn't going to last a full year.

another example of an angry taxi cab driver not understanding how the legislative branch works.

back to Civic 101 you go.

Democrats & Republicans probably wouldn't benefit from top notch psychiatric treatment.

"Can't fix Stupid."

Quigley says

For the challenged ducks, let me make this simple. The President can NOT legislate by himself!

The Republicans currently control the Senate, the House, the White House, and the Supreme Court. For the past 7 years when they didn't have this monopoly, they "tried" to repeal Obamacare 5 million times. Now that they have absolute control they immediately give up because they can't get enough Republican vote? They don't need a single Democratic vote. No, they are giving up because it was never about repealing Obamacare. It was just about driving a wedge issue.

Their constituents fell for it, and are still too stupid that the Republicans were making complete asses of their constituents. The conservative right voter simply cannot admit to himself that he was duped, so he will continue to believe any ridiculous lie that denies he was duped.

You are mistaken. The USS Skate did indeed surface near the north pole on August 11, 1959 at 9:47 PM EDT and radioed the news back to London.

The following year the Skate surfaced again at the Pole - this time in March. So "yes" the ice was a bit heavier in winter.

Today about a third of the arctic basin is more than double the thickness than measured in the same regions in 1958. Subs also surfaced in open water at the pole in 1962 and 1987.

Here's the account from NavalHistory.org:

https://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole

And the USS Hawkbill surfaced with only the sail breaking through the ice at the pole in 1999.

It's all a game played with stats. Make the past colder, using basically gaussian correction and limited or cherry-picked data in recent years to create a greater that true increase.

Yes CO2 is a green house gas. Yes, we make a lot of it. The warming is real. But other factors we don't fully understand also warm and cool the planet independently of human interference. These factors are inconvenient to those wishing to get filthy rich from the planned carbon tax schemes.

We should panic more over clean air and clean water problems, ALSO worsened by human activity, than by the statistically demonstrable exaggerated warming currently popular with the PC crowd.

It wouldn't hurt to admit that the Medieval Warm Period WAS actually warm, especially given that the Southern Hemisphere was NOT proportionately colder during the same time period, and that some non-human factor cooled the entire northern hemisphere again without delayed carbon syncs of unproven freak events.

Long live YAD06. Some Manitoban Hockey player should find YAD and make a glorious symbolic hockey stick from his stunted branches - for no other tree in history has so changed the world (than the one that dropped the apple on Newton's noggin.

"errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

Good point."

Not really. GOPe voted for unanimously for repeal. The freedom caucus is NOT GOPe under pretty much any definition. The establishment narrative is just bollocks.

Trumpcare was a tax bill that would have redistributed wealth to the top 1% bigly, that had a little bit of healthcare stuck in there as well.

We should panic more over clean air and clean water problems, ALSO worsened by human activity, than by the statistically demonstrable exaggerated warming currently popular with the PC crowd.

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Agree. It's time to ditch the whole Global Warming--->Climate Change campaign. It's poisoned and the marketing department failed to sell it to the masses. It's time to regroup and rebrand. The next iteration ought keep it simple, and learn from the mistakes. It's The Pollution, dummies. Pollution is bad. We should all work to combat polluting our environment.

Ah, but it's clear that the GOPe wasn't interested in a healthcare plan that actually benefitted the people, just the insurance companies and the Uber wealthy! Trump(or should I say Bannon) knew this and let Ryan lead the GOPe to a disaster just to discredit this faction of the Republicans who believe themselves to be in control.
They had to learn that they do NOT have a majority. Maybe on paper, but not where the deals get done. They are diametrically opposed to the reforms that the American people want to happen, and in this sense, the GOPe is just as great an enemy of freedom and the people as the Leftists. In fact, during the election they appeared to be allied in an effort to STOP TRUMP! Or had you forgotten already? Turning this train around is going to take time and lots of dealing. The one thing we know about Trump is that he does deals all day long. He doesn't give up, go to camp David, and sulk like a little girl for seven years when the opposing party won't support him. Trump is in the position where his desired reforms will be supported by roughly half the Republicans and half the Democrats. They just have to be convinced to stop playing partisan politics and start passing legislation that benefits their constituents!

And then there's the elephant in the room...

"Ah, but it's clear that the GOPe wasn't interested in a healthcare plan that actually benefitted the people, just the insurance companies and the Uber wealthy! Trump(or should I say Bannon) knew this and let Ryan lead the GOPe to a disaster just to discredit this faction of the Republicans who believe themselves to be in control."

Wow-the amount of rationalizing and revisionist history on here is mind-boggling. Trump absolutely wanted this deal and would have signed it proudly. There was no grand plan to discredit Ryan or the GOPe.

"The one thing we know about Trump is that he does deals all day long"

And he's finding out that making deals in Washington is a lot different than making deals in the boardroom. He's 0 for 1 so far. About to be 0-2 when tax reform fails and 0-3 when the wall fails too.