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Hater says

Help me then. Should the world be a little hotter or a little cooler than it is now?

The science is settled after all.

Seems you have lost all integrity in this thread, unless you really are ignorant enough to think an anonymous internet forum is a good source to increase your grasp of Climate Science. One can only conclude you are being grossly disingenuous. You aren't looking for "Help" or to form any understanding at all. If you were, you would have read more carefully above. People have answered you thoughtfully. That appears far more than you deserve.

"and now is a millionaire after holding fast on NAFTA and making wall street speaches."

He's a millionaire because he wrote 2 best selling books. Did you forget that part?

Hater says

No one has answered my question.

You are wrong. You aren't reading.

I'll bump this now and then before the meetup.

I doubt it's over. Look for an executive action imposing a tariff on a type of goods from Mexico with money's debt toward wall construction. Plenty of ways left to skin this particular kitty.

Hater says

Just want to hear about the "settled" science that cannot even tell us what temp and CO2 SHOULD be.

Again, you want me, whom you have no clue what my scientific credibility/literacy may be, to provide you a ppm target for CO2? Do you not think there are target atmospheric CO2 levels proposed from the majority of the scientific community?

Hater says

No. Just making you alarmist look foolish.

Are you sure that's what you just did?

Had to listen to Floyd's,Wall.

Hater says

No. I was hoping for someone credible.

And on Pnet that would be?

Ironman says

Come on Rew, give us your best guess at the temp and CO2 levels. Is this too hard of a question?

Not hard at all. You can widely find the PPM target for CO2 in copious current writings and papers today.

Draw a line on your graph where Humans first show up.

Edit: I'll wait.

Edit 2: Have you found it yet? Need help?

This is called an economic recovery. Not the phony recovery that went on for years under Obama.
Trump did in less than a 100 days, what Obama could not do in 8 years.
Thank You President Trump. America loves you.

Hater says

Rew says

People have answered you thoughtfully.

No one has answered my question.

I'd attempt to answer it, but you'll need to be more specific, otherwise it's impossible to give an answer. You do understand that The Earth is a big place, and different regions, have different climates. Depending on the time of year, each hemisphere gets different exposure to the sun. Also, as The Earth spins and rotates around The Sun, certain parts experience night which means it's dark. This lack of Sun exposure usually mean that it is less hot at night, and more hot when the globe rotates and then they face the sun, and the temperature warms. You seem ignorant to many of these simple facts, when you ask a question like "what is the ideal temperature for human life on Earth".

When I'm on holiday nearer the Equator, I prefer a different ideal temperature, then when vacationing in the north.

Ironman, did you find the line on your historical CO2 and temp graph where Humanity first shows up?

Happy to help draw it for you if you like. :)

I suspect those "climate scientists" are hedge-fund rejects. I doubt they can even survive in the sell-side.

We should stop listening to people with no skin in the game.

Ironman says

Go ahead, lets' see if it's better than your comics!

Peter P says

We should stop listening to people with no skin in the game.

Everyone's skin is in this game.

How many were arrested?

Rew says

Everyone's skin is in this game.

Of course not! What do they have to lose if they end up being wrong?

Don't say reputation and legacy. These things ain't worth nothing.

Ironman says

So, thanks for proving our point, AGAIN. So, you marked that humans entered the picture roughly 2 million years ago, right?

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So what caused the increased heat and CO2 before then??

Ironman says

Dinosaurs riding around in SUV's??

There are non-man made sources of CO2, right?
Would you like to claim that those conditions circled are ideal for human life?

Ironman says

Dinosaurs riding around in SUV's??

Goddamned Flintstone people!

Ironman says

So, you marked that humans entered the picture roughly 2 million years ago, right?

What have the temps and CO2 levels been like for those 2 million years? What is CO2 and temp trending at now? What ARE the scientific desired targets for CO2 in ppm?

(hint: If it was me, call me crazy, I'd try and make the purple bar be flat down at the level it was throughout most of human history ... as THAT is the ideal CO2 level.)

Ironman says

Hater, is that you???

It's 350 ppm. That gets us the "optimistic" line on the XKCD graphic.

Ironman says

Are you done yet promoting that FAKE narrative?

2nd to last refuge of the defeated. Name calling is next.

Ironman says

have been historically much higher without humans even being around

Right. But could those Earth conditions even support human life?

Ironman says

Want to try again?

You are talking about levels of CO2 that hinder respiration. (laughing my ass off) You have no idea the meaning of what you are posting.

Are you arguing that CO2 levels are completely devoid from a correlation in temperature rise because of the historical previous graphic? :) LOL

Ironman says

MASSIVE BRAWL

They're just acting the way they do in the 'hood.

Ironman says

Who knows, humans weren't around then.

Oh, Science knows. The atmosphere for most of that was completely unbreathable.

Ironman says

So, CO2 ppm levels (chemical makeup) inside are different than CO2 ppm levels outside?? Can plants tell the difference inside or outside?

Does CO2 change in form from inside to outside?

You are saying respiration and gaseous exchange is the same as trapping heat radiation?
We aren't talking breathing, we are talking heat energy in the planetary engine, driving weather.

Ironman says

So, since the science is settled NOW, are we there yet?

We have moved past it, by a degree and at-leats 50ppm.

Ironman says

Let me know when it gets pass 1500 ppm

At that level no human will be able to do any strenuous activity. A brisk walk up a hill will cause you to pass out.
Further, the long term climate trend would be to temperatures that wouldn't sustain most life on the planet. A new dominant species would rise. Humanity would end.

Hater says

Why are you alarmists always manipulating graphs?

Because skeptics cannot read them to begin with.

Hater says

Why are you alarmists always manipulating graphs?

Just like polls, graphs and statistics are there to influence, not to inform.

Alarmists will manipulate graphs because they are definitely trying to influence.

Peter P says

I suspect those "climate scientists" are hedge-fund rejects. I doubt they can even survive in the sell-side.

We should stop listening to people with no skin in the game.

So you're saying we should stop listening to those of you that don't have children? Or even elderly people that will be dead soon?

It doesn't take a climate scientist, or even some lowly hedge fund turd, to understand that polluting the environment has adverse effects. What do you have against people who desire to protect the environment so that it can be enjoyed into the future?

They were probably prostitutes fighting over territory.

errc says

It doesn't take a climate scientist, or even some lowly hedge fund turd, to understand that polluting the environment has adverse effects. What do you have against people who desire to protect the environment so that it can be enjoyed into the future?

Pollution is bad. But what is pollution?

Why is CO2 considered a pollutant? Without those crappy climate models the whole CO2 argument falls apart.

Yes, global temperature is rising. So what?

Hater says

Nothing! Pollution and overpopulation are the problems to be solved!

The beauty is that IF those climate models are right "climate change" might solve overpopulation. See, we don't need to do anything.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/

Annnnnnd here we go.

What is the ideal Human population of Earth? How do you know that overpopulation is a problem ?

Strategist says

This is called an economic recovery. Not the phony recovery that went on for years under Obama.

Trump did in less than a 100 days, what Obama could not do in 8 years.

Thank You President Trump. America loves you.

Great-please show me the difference. With data and analysis.

Ironman says

So tell me in the following graph, which temperature is inhabitable in your area?

Average temperature is the thing we are measuring. Think of it as net total energy in the system. We will still be living with 2-4 degree average temp rise. There will just be some major climate and life impacting changes for billions of people.

Hater says

Just to confirm, you think the ideal temp is one degree cooler and the ideal CO2 ppm is 350?

I think that because the majority of the scientific world thinks that. Yes. We are at 400ppm, and growing by 2ppm per year, due to human fossil fuel use.

Peter P says

The beauty is that IF those climate models are right "climate change" might solve overpopulation.

Mass deaths due to climate extremes is beautiful?

We have the collective capacity as human to ensure an amazing lifestyle to the majority of the planet. We don't have the will to do it. Current social constructs don't work that way.