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I'm still trying to figure out what he/she/it doesn't like about Patnet.

Yes, I don't quite get it either.

Strategist says

jazz music says

Things to think about: how to take back America from corporate rulership. Some people have been thinking about this for years now.

Someone, please remind the Pink Panther that communism failed a long time ago.

What relevance does the fall of communism have to the ever increasing plutocracy of America?

This of course assumes that america wants to escape corporate rulership.
Given the other world alternatives, you better be careful what you wish for...

jazz music says

HOW TO TAKE BACK AMERICA FROM CORPORATE RULERSHIP

BlueSardine says

This of course assumes that america wants to escape corporate rulership.

Given the other world alternatives, you better be careful what you wish for...

Like the oecd's awful socialist countries where you get 6-8 weeks paid vacation a year, higher education, and health care?

So easy to take America back from your desk while hitting the flask every now and again.

All ways requiring concerted actions by human beings will fail because it is just too easy to manipulate people, turn them on each other and watch them as they bicker on message boards - while you rob them blind.

Communism ended not because of opposite ideas (capitalism and the like). No, it ended because these ideas were put in practice and then pushed to their ultimate conclusions. No one liked the consequences. Then they were discarded.

The same needs to happen to capitalism.

The problem people should think about is not how to throw out the current system, but rather what to put in its place. Because right now we don't have a good replacement candidate.

Should've brought a toddler with him. Makes all your demands instantly valid.

@"jazz music" the answer is publicly financed congressional campaigns.

There are plenty of people with integrity would would run and win if they could only get the financing without selling out. Publicly financed campaigns is the way to do that.

But of course no one in congress is going to vote for publicly financed campaigns, because every single one of them was elected under the corporately financed campaign system we have now.

probably did it on purpose so he could sue and get a million bucks??

If one wanted to fight the corporations, the most expedient way would be to unionize the buyer.
Organize and form purchasing groups in every city.
Direct purchases of products from manufacturers that espouse your world view.
Given the varied communicative options, this may not seem as wild as it looks.

I didn't Ban Rin, but I had him on ignore from before when I was just tired of his shtick.

BlueSardine says

Rin is banned by: marcus

marcus says

I didn't Ban Rin, but I had him on ignore from before when I was just tired of his shtick.

Marcus does not realize that his math students know more about sex than they know about math.

$153 now

Strategist says

Marcus does not realize that his math students know more about sex than they know about math.

So do all the monkeys in the zoo.
Only those at the pinnacle of evolution can know more about math than about sex.

FP says

Strategist says

Marcus does not realize that his math students know more about sex than they know about math.

So do all the monkeys in the zoo.

Marcus taught them math too?

Strategist says

Marcus taught them math too?

I don't know, ask him. The monkeys would not show any signs of being taught. You should know that.

Fucking pussy!

BlueSardine says

Thunderdome: The classical definition of "triggered" - a demonstration

There, fixed it, to fit what followed.

And this would be different than all of the other times we sold weapons to or armed rebels how?

Let me know when Trump sends ISIS 4 pallets of cash.

Well if Turkey objects then it must be good for the world
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/us/politics/trump-kurds-syria-army.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060

Turkey has been shelling both Kurdish fighters of the Popular Protection Units (YPG) and so-called Islamic State inside northern Syria.

The YPG are widely regarded as one of the most effective forces in the fight against IS and attacks on them have prompted calls from the UN, US and EU for Turkey to show restraint.

Ankara says it is retaliating against what it calls provocations by the YPG but it has long warned against the group making territorial advances in northern Syria near its border.

Glad we're arming the Kurds, the largest ethnicity without it's own state.

Erdogan's being a little bitch and the Kurds have been the most effective force against ISIS

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Glad we're arming the Kurds, the largest ethnicity without it's own state.

Erdogan's being a little bitch and the Kurds have been the most effective force against ISIS

Better to arm the Kurds and let them fight ISIS. Nothing good happens if we end up doing the fighting.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I've always been for arming the Kurds and saying FU to Sultan Tayyip. I even called for Turkey to be ejected from NATO. Read the article; it discusses how Erdogan wanted action against the Kurds and didn't see ISIS as a threat while his son was making a fortune smuggling ISIS oil in huge truck convoys that Obama wouldn't bomb (I think once in a whole year they did, after 24-hours warning by leaflet).

He's too much of a sphincter suck to admit that.

Our only true ally in the ME is Saudi Arabia, according to the Trumpcucks

I'm done trying to apply logic to the market. Without any honest effort to create more housing in the 1200 to 2000sqft range, every house in America will be as expensive as an Italian villa in a historic town eventually. Even the shit hole I bought in 2010 for 160K Zillow says is now worth 320K.
It shouldn't be worth a penny over 120K and wouldn't be if there was more housing stock built. And don't say we're out of room. South Florida builds about 6,000 new units a year. They are all over 350K range. Mostly in the millions.

Cash out, rent and pickup a half price home in a few years.

PockyClipsNow says

Anyone else here going to white flight from CA soon? What is your prediction about CA residential RE prices?

40% jump in California RE prices in the next 5 years. Don't sell, just rent it out if you must move. I have been a super bull since end of 2011.
I am a little disappointed in So Cal RE prices in the last 5 years. I expected a bigger jump.

Strategic Renter says

Cash out, rent and pickup a half price home in a few years.

You sound like Marc Faber and Peter Schiff.

PockyClipsNow says

Anyone else here going to white flight from CA soon? What is your prediction about CA residential RE prices?

Once kids are done with with school wife and I will probably leave. It's funny because my wife was left leaning before she got into social work now she is further right than I am in some areas. Same with most of our family and friends they all have gone or are going to. If we hadn't bought at bottom we would already be gone, screw struggling to pay $2000 plus for renting a small 2 bedroom apartment.

In the next 30 years I can see things getting more extreme with wealthy gated areas surrounded by poor areas within the large counties. At some point raising taxes and chasing companies out of California has to cause a collapse.

I sold that house(250k net profit) 2 years ago and bought a small condo which is now up 200k.

So I'm up 450k in 7 years(tax free too). I'm going to sell this condo now to take advantage of the 2 year tax free cap gains rules to cash this shit in before the next 'happening'.

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Congrats on a job well done

I don't think the 'cash our and rent then buy back for half price' plan will work this time.

That was my plan last time and it worked (i failed to buy multiple properties, just one, late in the rebound....)

Lets not forget the 'solid floor' under real estate is now in place that did NOT exist in 06. So anyone holding breath for another crash will die with a blue face, IMO.

> Foreclosures take up to 5 years (CA).
> Multiple federal programs in place to help 'struggling home owners' aka banks. Harm, hamp, California keep your home or whatever its called is also one.
> Short sale/forclosure games allow shitty borrowers to default pretend to sell to stall foreclosure.
> Limited inventory/slow growth
> Rising population
> Limited 'good schools'.
> feds control 90%+ all mortgage market. (was only 50% pre 08 meltdown)

Also min wage going up to 15 per hour in CA soon. That will help the low test score cities prop up thier prices.

I would keep my condo and rent it out. But its worth 600k now, its fucking rent controlled (!!!!!!!), AND the rent is low like will only bring 2300 max per month. That like a 1.5% cap rate. horrible cap rate. With rent control, if I rent it out, if I ever evict the renters I have to pay them out 17k moving fees. Fuck these commies, I will just sell it for 600k. Thank you rent control for taking inventory off the market and running up prices even more.

PockyClipsNow says

So it turns out the permabears who said I would be bankrupt after buying a house in 2012 were wrong.

Really, somebody told you that? Can you quote them so that we can make fun of them?

How much did LA houses appreciate from 2012 until two years ago?

I cant member who told me I would go bankrupt, seems to be less comments in the old threads than I thought. oh well.

From 2012 to 2015 prices probably went up 30%. Then another 30% in last 2 years (most of this is the Trump boom).

We all know the booming stock market causes hiring to happen AND people cash out stocks to buy RE or the 'wealth effect' makes people feel rich because 401k is way up... which causes people to buy RE.

I really wanted the country to have affordable real estate for everyone, but we sat here and watch the Feds do everything possible, and then make up 20 more things, to bail out real estate and IT WORKED. Asset price dips or 'dis inflation' will never ever be allowed except for short slumps, which are buying opportunities, until the bankers can print more money to make all markets zoom to moon. I fought the fed, and the fed won.

JimiFP says

How much did LA houses appreciate from 2012 until two years ago?

80-100%

40-50% in 3 years from 2012 until 2015?

They still seem to increase in the past :)

I'm curious how much headwind real estate has in Southern California. Our house is probably only up 60%, but we bought in mid-2011... probably 6-12 months from the true bottom. Also we live deep in the valley, so while schools are still top notch in LAUSD.... it's not as coastally desirable or hip. And lots of older people who bought long ago just holding on. So inventory is always very low.

For example our house was built in the 1950s and we are the 2nd owners.