patrick.net

Good luck with your pets. Its so hard to keep them in line these days.

When conservatives/libertarians/teabaggers (whatever they're calling themselves this week) start complaining about some of these strange marriages I'll start taking whatever their latest sidetracking argument against gays less cynically:
http://www.oddee.com/item_97042.aspx

and in line with the post topic, I love this:
"Imagine if the Tea Party Was Black" - by Tim Wise
http://cosmicnavellint.blogspot.com/2010/04/imagine-if-tea-party-was-black-tim-wise.html
"Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition..."

kind of expected, but kind of also puts a good perspective on it and its an excellent compendium of some recent batshit antics by people who associate themselves with "the tea party".

And for those who won't bother to read the thing I'll skip ahead to the summary, which should make the point clear enough:
"And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the shit we do, on a daily basis."

cheers.

kind of expected, but kind of also puts a good perspective on it and its an excellent compendium of some recent batshit antics by people who associate themselves with “the tea party”.

So a 100% fictional webpost equates to a "good perspective" on those who associate with the Tea party, right? Brilliant reasoning. No doubt you don't see yourself as delusional..

OK guys come to your senses. If the opening paragraph is true about Somalia then it is an anarchy. Tea party folks want LIMITED government and far from an Anarchy. Our government is a LIMITED Constitutional Republic. Over the years Congress and Presidents have usurped the Constitution and the role of government. Some of the worst ones are "Dishonest" Abe Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Bush and Usurper Barry Soreto (aka OBAMA).

The Tea Party will be a force to be reckon with in 2010 and 2012 (likely 2016). If the establishment GOP does not change to get their support - they will be in the doldrums. Don't forget - the Tea Party also include conservative Dems. Actually, the Tea Party did not begin after Obama became president. It was re-instituted with the Ron Paul campaign in 2008.

For those who have wrath against the Tea Party must also be hateful of the original Boston Tea Party. You Liberals are unable to discern the times. Ron Paul in 2012! A poll shows he is neck to neck vs Obama. What does this tell you about Obama?

simchaland says

I’ll recommend your pups to this sanctuary. And everything’s super, thanks for asking.

Ok, I forgot to ask... I'd forgotten the South Park link. I do think Prop 8 was ridiculous and a waste of time & energy. People should live their lives and stop worrying about how everyone else lives. I even love my secretly lesbian dog and her little "friend."

I do like the "if the tea party were black" theme. Food for thought.

hMisstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial,
I’m here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.
Good luck. I’m not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

Wow.
You just revealed yourself as being everything I posted above.
God help us here in California.
Just remember to stay off the 580 and 880 when you are particularly angry.
~Misstrial

Oh, and one other thing… You people can’t even drive. Did any of you get anything out of Driver’s Ed or did they cut that from your educational system too along with geography, history, physical education, art, music, philosophy, civics, and political science?

OMG “you people” - LOL
Keep it up, just keep it up! I’m sure readers are getting some laughs at your expense now. LOL
~Misstrial

Geez...I dont generally agree with Misstrial because of her snarky comments but the "you people" comment is way out of line. Aren't we people Americans?

Nomograph says

ZippyDDoodah says

Tea Party types were strongly opposed to TARP and the pork laden stimulus bill.

Tea Party “types” opposed absolutely none of Bush’s wasteful spending. They began protesting once Obama was elected, not a minute sooner, and everyone knows this.
If (and that’s a big if) the Tea Party manages to purge themselves of the racist, white supremacist, and militia elements, they stand a chance of gaining some traction with middle Americans. Personally, I don’t think they will be able to do so, which is why they will most likely remain a political sideshow of bad behavior.

hey, I thought i was the only one who noticed the bigotry?

ZippyDDoodah says

So a 100% fictional webpost equates to a “good perspective” on those who associate with the Tea party, right? Brilliant reasoning. No doubt you don’t see yourself as delusional..

Dude, at least I read the posts I comment on. There's not a single thing fictional in it. You don't really get 'humour' do you? I've noticed that.

If (and that’s a big if) the Tea Party manages to purge themselves of the racist, white supremacist, and militia elements,

There'd be nothing left!

wcalleallegre says

The Tea Party will be a force to be reckon with in 2010 and 2012 (likely 2016).

Teabaggers are so CUTE! So incredibly certain you will wreak havoc on THE MAN. I had friends who were really into Ross Perot, others who were active with Ralph Nader campaign. I doubt you'll see the parallels though. Keep those flags flying, it's entertaining for us to watch.

4X says

hMisstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial,

I’m here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.

Good luck. I’m not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

Wow.

You just revealed yourself as being everything I posted above.

God help us here in California.

Just remember to stay off the 580 and 880 when you are particularly angry.

~Misstrial

Oh, and one other thing… You people can’t even drive. Did any of you get anything out of Driver’s Ed or did they cut that from your educational system too along with geography, history, physical education, art, music, philosophy, civics, and political science?

OMG “you people” - LOL

Keep it up, just keep it up! I’m sure readers are getting some laughs at your expense now. LOL

~Misstrial

Geez…I dont generally agree with Misstrial because of her snarky comments but the “you people” comment is way out of line. Aren’t we people Americans?

(On Soapbox)

Did I forget to mention that I'm a Liberal who holds almost no credence in politically correct phraseology? Why is it that people get offended only when certain buzz phrases or words are written or said instead of being offended when there is actual bigotry or racism happening? Why is it that certain people are so focused on words that they forget to check how they act toward others and the judgments that they make about people?

"You people" was meant to be offensive. Get it? And no, it's not a racial or ethnic reference for the PC Police here. Sometimes, just because you see two words together that in another context sound like they're racist or bigoted doesn't mean that every time you see those words together there is something racist or bigoted afoot.

It's time that BayAryans learn to let go of their PC blinders and actually practice what they preach instead of monitoring spoken and written words so that they can be "outraged" without considering the context.

I'm fed up with BayAryans who use all of the PC lingo while telling me that they don't want any of the people I serve to live in THEIR neighborhoods. NIMBYism is alive and well here in the Bay Area. Socioeconomic bigotry, racism, classism, and other forms of hatred are practiced daily by some of the most PC versed people I know here. It disgusts me that these BayAryans hide their racism, classism, and socioeconomic bigotry behind PC language while they practice racism, classism, and socioeconomic bigotry in every facet of their lives.

By the way, I use the term "BayAryan" consciously since I've noticed that the biggest offenders tend to be white people who consider themselves "Liberal" but are adherents of some weird version of Ultra-Orthodox "Dogmatic Bay Area Ultra Liberalism" that is utterly foreign to the political or philosophical underpinnings of the adjective "Liberal." These are the same BayAryans who consider it a necessity to believe that the Palestinians are 100% innocent bystanders and the Israelis are 100% the aggressors (without actually knowing anything about the actual history of the conflict and deciding what must be good for the Middle East from comfortable arm chairs in the USA). They also tend to frown upon anyone who doesn't buy organic, recycle, compost, adhere to a strict vegan diet, blame tobacco smokers for everything from asthma in children living 10 floors away from someone who smokes to sunspots while persecuting said tobacco smokers with ever more restrictive laws and taxes while advocating for the right of cannabis smokers to toke anywhere they like, or any other "Sacred Cow" that they have decided is a "must" for anyone who is "enlightened." These BayAreans are best described as Dogmatic Extreme Bay Area Ultra-Leftists and they often look a lot like the Dogmatic Extreme Ultra-Conservative Right Wingers that they so vehemently despise.

(off of soapbox)

(P.S.: I'm considered white here, as if that should matter.)

Simcha:
Ya look like a brown bear to me. And I assumed that the "you people" meant antidentites," of which I'm one.

"You people" make me look sane.

Tenouncetrout says

“You people” make me look sane.

...and straight.

elliemae says

Simcha:
Ya look like a brown bear to me. And I assumed that the “you people” meant antidentites,” of which I’m one.

Yes, and furless creatures.

elliemae says

Tenouncetrout says

“You people” make me look sane.

…and straight.

...and scaly.

simchaland says

Yes, and furless creatures.

Okay, I'm an antidentite, but clearly not furless. I'm a'skeered of alot of things. Like someone who's angry after being manipulated by Faux News. Tea parties were created by the company and reaps huge financial benefits from their promotion.

Tenouncetrout says

Do you think they found the most coherent ones to talk to?
You folks make GREAT subjects. You take anything you see as exactly as it’s presented with out question.
While OBAMA and this administration LIES to you hourly and you don’t question it once.

We dont question it because it is laid out in clear, plain English in a calm, subtle manner. No yelling, screaming or ranting like the Tea Baggers are engaging in. There is a difference between fact and fiction, making decisions based on pragmatism and jumping out on a leap of faith.

elliemae says

Simcha:
Ya look like a brown bear to me. And I assumed that the “you people” meant antidentites,” of which I’m one.

I thought he was referring to the green people on Mars...anyways, the "you people" phrase indicated to me that you felt "us" people were not in tune with what is best for America. I wasnt referring to your skin color, pale or not.

ZippyDDoodah says

Social Security is clearly a socialist institution whereby this year’s contributions are used to pay this years expenses. It’s a form of insurance

Why do you liberal fascists insist that Social security and medicare be MANDATORY? It’s because you think you know what’s best for everyone else.

Why do you arch-conservatives insist on NOT providing any services to the poor, weak and elderly? If you like, Mexico does not offer any social services programs and has a few beach resort cities that you are more than welcome to retire to.

-You run to church to give 10% tithes so the church can prosper and spread your hatred of other religions but refuse to spend the same for programs that actually help assist our communities.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we are going to provide health care to the poor because you believe that the POOR are BLACK/MEXICAN when in actuality whites still make up a majority of the lower income families in terms of sheer numbers.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we liberals are attempting to introduce banking legislation, but proclaim your excitement when told we would invade Iraq to destroy another 1 million muslim lives.

- You would rather engage in war with other countries than take care of the problems hear in America

- You and the PARTY OF NO refuse to allow our nation to spend on programs aimed at progressing past a 3rd world education system, health care system, economic system but are openly OK with spending 1 trillion a year on War and Defense.

If you hate them so much, when will you arch-conservatives stop using our liberal Social Services?

Vicente says

Social Security is plainly labelled as an “Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program”. Ignorance of the fact it’s a mandatory INSURANCE program is not the fault of the agency which informs you otherwise in all documents.
I have no doubt the 50+% of the Tea Party that gladly partake of unemployment insurance, MediCare, MedicAid, and Social Security are willing to play “jailhouse lawyer” when they need something and comb through every piece of paper to get the outcome they want. It takes a real special type to deliberately misunderstand the entire basis of the operation along the way. Tea Party strikes me as the worst of the Boomers, entitled as hell and raging self-deluded hypocrites about it. I’ll raise a glass of beer tomorrow night over dinner to the Teabaggers, here’s to you Mr. “keep the gubmit out of my MediCare!”

They are cowards who wont stand up for what they believe in, all they have to do is stop receiving welfare, unemployment and retirement checks.

@ARCH CONSERVATIVES

-You run to church to give 10% tithes so the church can prosper and spread your hatred of other religions but refuse to spend the same for programs that actually help assist our communities.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we are going to provide health care to the poor because you believe that the POOR are BLACK/MEXICAN when in actuality whites still make up a majority of the lower income families in terms of sheer numbers.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we liberals are attempting to introduce banking legislation, but proclaim your excitement when told we would invade Iraq to destroy another 1 million muslim lives.

- You would rather engage in war with other countries than take care of the problems hear in America

- You and the PARTY OF NO refuse to allow our nation to spend on programs aimed at progressing past a 3rd world education system, health care system, economic system but are openly OK with spending 1 trillion a year on War and Defense.

@ZIPPY DO LITTLE FOR THIS NATION

-You run to church to give 10% tithes so the church can prosper and spread your hatred of other religions but refuse to spend the same for programs that actually help assist our communities.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we are going to provide health care to the poor because you believe that the POOR are BLACK/MEXICAN when in actuality whites still make up a majority of the lower income families in terms of sheer numbers.

- You become infuriated when you hear that we liberals are attempting to introduce banking legislation, but proclaim your excitement when told we would invade Iraq to destroy another 1 million muslim lives.

- You would rather engage in war with other countries than take care of the problems hear in America

- You and the PARTY OF NO refuse to allow our nation to spend on programs aimed at progressing past a 3rd world education system, health care system, economic system but are openly OK with spending 1 trillion a year on War and Defense.

simchaland says

It’s amazing how conservatives project fear onto Liberals. I’m learning so much about conservatism. Naming qualities that exist within yourself and claiming that these qualities belong to others and not in you is called “projection.”
.....
The politics of fear and division are the politics of the conservatives. We Liberals prefer embracing others.
....
The Tea Party is basically a group of angry white people who can’t believe that we have elected an African American president. What do you think “We want our country back” means? It means that these people live in constant fear of becoming the minority, which is happening at an ever increasing rate. Being “American” no longer means “being white.” That scares these people and unites them in fear. Fear is the root of anger. It’s easy to stir fearful people into anger and then rage. It’s a dangerous political game that the Tea Party is playing. Our country has a sad history of political assassinations and violence. Almost exclusively the culprits are conservatives who fear change (Kennedy (s), Lincoln, etc.). Lincoln was killed because fearful angry conservative white people in the south didn’t want their former slaves, who happened to be black, free. That was a consequence of the Civil War. Lincoln was simply taking away the means of production and wealth for the South. It turned out that by doing that, he gave certain human beings their rights back while the whites lived in fear of backlash from the people they formerly enslaved.
.....
Today we have fearful angry white people who call themselves the Tea Party who really want to preserve their perceived place in American society. In this party there is talk of “revolution” “secession” and “rebellion.” It is a uniquely conservative movement spawned from fear of those perceived as “other” because of the color of their skin, their religion, and/or ethnic origin.
The Tea Party movement is nothing but a replay of old white fear sweeping up those susceptible into uniting around the fear that “that black man” is going to remove them

It's amazing how liberals think they are so morally and intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees with them, that they can write such pot-calling-kettle black screeds as this. Anyone can inject Freud to support his/her side of the argument - that is the magic of Freud's blanket theories. Funny, for example, how you speak of projection, while projecting....

mikey says

“A conservative is a man who has plenty of money and don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t always have plenty of money.”
Will Rogers
“Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they’ve stolen.”
Mort Sahl

These statements, and the actual quoting of them, are quite telling regarding regarding liberal mentality.

Given the false assumption/premise that Conservatives are "rich" and Liberals are not, the second statement would be more accurate if it said: Liberals feel that Conservatives are unworthy of the possessions that they stole from Liberals.

The first statement is pretty interesting, given that it assumes either that Liberals do not have money, or that Liberals who have a lot of money believe that they shouldn't continue to have a lot of money, but does this actually bear out in reality?

Which is it? Conservatives are "rich" or conservatives are uneducated, lower-class rednecks? (Or maybe they spread across the spectrum much like liberals?). If the first statement were true, then why is one of the more current liberal arguments, including by the President himself, that conservative protesters are protesting against their own interests and they should "thank" the government for passing laws giving them more?

In reality, conservatives, at all income levels, are more likely to contribute (and contribute more) to charities/non-profits, than liberals. But since they don't like the government telling them exactly how to do it, they, along with anyone who may actually not be a conservative but is involved in the Tea Party movement for various reasons, are greedy people who deserve to be referred to by derogatory, homophobic names by open-minded, all-embracing liberals, who are of course, against "hateful" things...

Paralithodes says

In reality, conservatives, at all income levels, are more likely to contribute (and contribute more) to charities/non-profits, than liberals. But since they don’t like the government telling them exactly how to do it, they, along with anyone who may actually not be a conservative but is involved in the Tea Party movement for various reasons, are greedy people who deserve to be referred to by derogatory, homophobic names by open-minded, all-embracing liberals, who are of course, against “hateful” things…

Will we ever get past libs vs. conservative stereotypes here? It hasn't worked in the past - and detracts from any actual message the writer wants us to understand. Some people here say stuff with which I disagree - some say stuff with which I agree. It crosses political lines, by the way.

Tea parties are full of people who are angry about taxes, restrictive laws, etc. There are some crazy people who get all the press - and they are sponsored and represented by Faux news. They're being manipulated for a story in order for creeps like sean hannity to sell more books, get more popular, and spout half truths at best.

There's nothing wrong with protest, with standing up for what you believe in. But these people have been told who there enemy is and are being spoon fed their talking points. It's unfortunate, but it happens. However, they blame everything on Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi when in reality this train has been on the same track for years. They're being manipulated by media spin doctors.

Laura Bush just came out with a book claiming that George is a victim of the press (he flew over Katrinaland because he didn't want to stop traffic - where is she on the "heckuva job, Brownie" comment and the political appointment of him in the first place - or that he was fired and given a lucrative consulting position even though his direct orders contributed to many people's pain?). She calls Reid & Pelosi "graceless," funny coming from a woman married to a man whose command of the english language was laughable. She also spoke out about an accident she was in where she ran a stop sign when she was 17 years old. From an excerpt in the NY Times, she:

"...concedes that she and her friend were chatting when she ran the stop sign. But she also suggests a host of factors beyond her control played a role — the pitch-black road, an unusually dangerous intersection, the small size of the stop sign, and the car the victim was driving."
(http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/books/28laura.html?src=mv)

Yes, folks, in part she blames the fact that she killed a person because of the car he drove. She drove a huge-ass car, was well aware that the country road wasn't well-lit, the intersection didn't have the best of design (consistent with many country roads), and was talking with her friend rather than paying attention in spite of the conditions - but it's the fault of the corvair he drove.

And she has the gall to call others "graceless?"

This wealthy, priveleged woman who never had to work a day in her life, without a clue shouldn't have a forum for her ghost-writer to feed us such crap. But she does, and will be championed by faux news and her claims about her husband being a victim will become the darling of faux news. It should be labled as fiction, but it won't be.

The enquirer provides more truthful reporting that this.

(elliemae hops off her soapbox now)

elliemae says

Yes, folks, in part she blames the fact that she killed a person because of the car he drove. She drove a huge-ass car, was well aware that the country road wasn’t well-lit, the intersection didn’t have the best of design (consistent with many country roads), and was talking with her friend rather than paying attention in spite of the conditions - but it’s the fault of the corvair he drove.

You forgot the part about the stop sign being too small...

Liberal politicans invitations resonate with some peoples longings to get something for nothing, to live off of someones labor. The unwary and unconcerned citizen who feels needy for any reason, who remains ignorant or unconcerned of the economic implications of the welfare state and who retains a childlike disregard of the property rights of others takes the political bait just as naturally as an infant accepts his mommy's tit.

Of course, that type of response is entirely appropriate for an infant. But it is not appropriate for a responsible adult in a free society. But then again, who says liberals are responsible, or give a sh*t about a free society.

Honest Abe says

But then again, who says liberals are responsible, or give a sh*t about a free society.

Many, many people. Just not you.

"Eligibility for aid under TANF, as under AFDC, ends when the youngest child turns 18. Families with children under 18 years of age are UNAFFECTED BY THE IMPOSITION OF TIME LIMITS." [National Bureau of Economic Research].

"Besides, expectations that a mature citizen will take care of himself and not coerce others into that duty are consistent with the basic principal of FREEDOM. That no one is born into a world with a legally enforceable obligation to take care of persons other than his own offspring. In other words, citizenship in a free society should not entail a legal duty of care of others. It is tyranny that a statutory mandate requires you to adopt one or more persons deemed "deserving" by government officials." [The Structure of Liberty, Justice and the Rule of Law, Randy Barnett]

Conservatives donate far more than liberals to charitable causes. Liberals therefore do not put their money where there mouth is. Liberals want you to put YOUR money where THEIR mouth is. In spite of constant propaganda about the importance of "giving" to the poor, liberal politics undermines genuine charity at individual and community levels first by usurping their care taking activities through "centralized" welfare programs, and second by sending a message that discourages individual and local community charity... "Don't worry, big government is here to help you". As a direct result liberal government thus enslaves precisely the people they claim to "serve", thereby insuring future votes, for liberals, to keep the gravy train going.

And only Conservatives go to church and only Conservatives are real Christians.

Conservatives own God!

HA, how do you figure that Conservatives give more than Liberals?

Leigh says

HA, how do you figure that Conservatives give more than Liberals?

Leigh,

I think that you're forgetting a greater point here. Abe is conservative, and therefore donates more than liberals do to charitable causes. He also pays more in taxes because he's conservative and makes more money than you & I do, lowly little medical workers. However, he's paying more toward our salaries than stupid, lazy, shiftless welfare recipient liberals who are sitting on their couches eating bonbons and watcing soaps, Jerry Springer, Oprah & Dr. Phil all day. We should embrace altruistic conservatives - maybe even send them thank you cards.

I do have a question: if going to church makes you a Christian, does going to the garage make you a car?

Elliemae,

Does HAbe mean that donations to The Heritage Foundation, the NRA, The Tea Party Patriots, the Family Research Council, the RNC, and the Westboro Baptist Church count as "charitable giving?" Perhaps HAbe means that we Liberals who give to Mercy Corps, Heifer International, and UNICEF etc. or that we Jews who give to Mazon: A Jewish Response to Hunger don't count since this isn't considered as "charitable giving" because he doesn't consider these to be "real" charitable organizations.

If going to church makes you a Christian and going to the garage makes you a car, then does attending Gay Pride make you gay and proud?

Of course attending Gay Pride makes you both gay & proud. What a silly question. If it's just called "Pride," you are proud but you're probably not sure why. But for some reason, it reminds me of a story that a gay friend once told me about how he came out to his mother:

He was having a relationship with a priest - and his mother saw the two of them standing fairly close to each other. He figured it was time (he was in his 20's) to tell her he was gay, so he sat her down and said, "there's something I have to tell you..." and she started bawling. He went on to tell her that he was gay, and she looked relieved. She finally said, "I thought you were gonna tell me you were Catholic!"

It amazes me when church-going conservatives like to point out publicly and proudly how they think they are more giving to charity. I thought the point of charity was helping people, not bragging about it.

I agree. I think that, when they say that conservatives donate more than liberals, but they're donating to causes that champion their beliefs. I'd be more impressed if they were to give their money into a blind trust account and the money was spread out amongst different organizations that actually helped people.

It also amazes me when celebrities set up foundations and crow about it on their tv shows, making it all about them.

I also have people call and ask advice from me professionally - on my own time - and then not understand when I tell them that they can call me at work, or pay me. I prefer to donate my time on my own schedule. I donate my time when I wish - and the same with my money. I also don't brag about it (nor would I discuss it in a poll - which is where the "conservatives donate more..." issue eminates from, I suspect.

elliemae says

Of course attending Gay Pride makes you both gay & proud. What a silly question. If it’s just called “Pride,” you are proud but you’re probably not sure why. But for some reason, it reminds me of a story that a gay friend once told me about how he came out to his mother:
He was having a relationship with a priest - and his mother saw the two of them standing fairly close to each other. He figured it was time (he was in his 20’s) to tell her he was gay, so he sat her down and said, “there’s something I have to tell you…” and she started bawling. He went on to tell her that he was gay, and she looked relieved. She finally said, “I thought you were gonna tell me you were Catholic!”

omg, my sides hurt from laughing. thank you:O)

btw, my name is Leigh, it's been 20 years since my last mass...

and as far I know my three altar boy brothers were not molested.

Honest Abe says

Hahaha, another schizophrenic post by a liberal. Quote ” When people call me on my time, I tell them to call me at work, or pay me. I prefer to donate my time on my own schedule. I donate my time when I wish - and the same with my money”.
Looks to me like you subscribe to the “EVIL PROFIT MOTIVE” after all, you UGLY CAPITALIST PIG. Furthermore, you shout one thing yet do the exact opposite. Thats clearly brain damage.

We all have to take time off sometime. I have no problem with my ethical and moral structure, as I'm sure you wouldn't if you had one.

Lifetime cap on welfare is still 5 years

That doesn't include state and local welfare payments which can extend well beyond the 5 year federal limit.. which I'll bet has loopholes.

tatupu70 says

elliemae says

Yes, folks, in part she blames the fact that she killed a person because of the car he drove. She drove a huge-ass car, was well aware that the country road wasn’t well-lit, the intersection didn’t have the best of design (consistent with many country roads), and was talking with her friend rather than paying attention in spite of the conditions - but it’s the fault of the corvair he drove.

You forgot the part about the stop sign being too small…

...now that was silly of her. I thought the standard size stop sign would be enough for all but maybe Laura is on to something here. We can save millions of lives by increasing the size of the stop sign from 3 feet in diameter to 10 feet. LOL

ZippyDDoodah says

Lifetime cap on welfare is still 5 years

That doesn’t include state and local welfare payments which can extend well beyond the 5 year federal limit.. which I’ll bet has loopholes.

This is from 2002 but the site has a link to current stats though not as detailed.

http://www.mdrc.org/publications/51/overview.html

States have broad flexibility in designing time-limit policies, in large part because the federal time limit does not apply to state-funded benefits. Currently, 40 states have time limits that can result in the termination of families’ welfare benefits; 17 of those states have limits of fewer than 60 months. However, nearly half the national welfare caseload is in states that either have no time limit (2 states) or a time limit that reduces or modifies benefits when the limit is reached (8 states and the District of Columbia).