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Leigh says

Is the top word “CONGO”?!

Nope, it's CONGRESS

Vicente says

Leigh says

Is the top word “CONGO”?!

Nope, it’s CONGRESS

Thank goodness as I was confused!

This one isn't even party specific

"If you look closely you can see he wrote “N%$#@R” on a piece of paper and taped it over another word, likely another misspelled word…

Is the top word “CONGO”?!"

Oh I see only black people can use that word when trying to make a Political/Artistic point?

If you guys were Republicans ragging on a predominantly "Black" group(I say predominantly because there are some Black Tea Bag party members)
You guys would be all over the racist thing.

You guys posting the pics of the Obama Monkey and racial epitaphs that some seriously disturbed people posted on the internet, out of context and assign them all White Republicans is no less ignorant than the Assholes that made, posed, or created those pictures.

Lovely, more subtle hate from the right...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/DEAR-LORD-THIS-YEAR-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-ACTOR-PATRICK-SWAYZIE-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-ACTRESS-FARAH-FAWCETT-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-SINGER-MICHAEL-JACKSON-I-JUST-WANTED-TO-LET-YOU-KNOW-MY-FAVORITE-PRESIDENT-IS-BARACK-OBAMA-AMEN/111712585523370?ref=nf

Note the fan photos. Looks like the site has been infiltrated! hahaha

Tenouncetrout says

You guys posting the pics of the Obama Monkey and racial epitaphs that some seriously disturbed people posted on the internet, out of context and assign them all White Republicans is no less ignorant than the Assholes that made, posed, or created those pictures.

Pfft! The truth hurts, doesn't it? Did I hit a little too close to home with my comments? Projection seems to be the name of the game for Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Party people.

Nomograph says

simchaland says

The Tea Party is basically a group of angry white people

I think it’s more like a right-wing version of the hippie movement, consisting of a varied group of people who are loosely bound together by a mutual dislike of government in general and Obama in particular. Health care was their Vietnam protest.
Most of the folks are relatively normal but the racists and wierdos get all the press, since they sell more ad space.

@Nomo,
a very good post.

Tenouncetroutm fwiw I think it's less racism than classism.

We have a very sizable underclass here that doesn't get the social services goodies that the Eurosocialists dole out. The TP movement is pissing in that wind ("TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY").

Conservatives can deal with black people fine, as long as they are mainstreamed, ie. act white. It's the Other that has them in fear. Moving beyond the puerile name calling, they don't want to pay for this Other's social needs (health care, education, housing, whatever).

This is proper conservative ideology of course and nobody should have a problem with it.

Aside from black Americans, there's also the sizable hispanic near third-world population that we've acquired over the decades.

Tea Party people were around 100 years ago with the Chinese Exclusion act of 1882 and the Immigration Act of 1924. Jews, chinks, spics, japs -- we Americans had enough of them and didn't want any more.

Because they were different.

Noam Chomsky gave a speech recently in which he advised that tea-partiers be listened to as they have legitimate grievances. At least to stop making fun of them.
That such an icon of left-wing thought would do this should help one to pause for reflection, at least.
The country has been handed to the banksters, and all sides of our lower-class debate would do well to know our enemy.

MCM says

Whoa, it is an anti-tea party lefty support-group love fest with ellie, vicente, kevin, leigh, and mickey re-affirming their self-worth because of their superior moral position.

Sure - welcome to the party.

I've got some signs of my own, courtesy of Huffington Post:

monkframe says

Noam Chomsky gave a speech recently in which he advised that tea-partiers be listened to as they have legitimate grievances. At least to stop making fun of them.

That such an icon of left-wing thought would do this should help one to pause for reflection, at least.

The country has been handed to the banksters, and all sides of our lower-class debate would do well to know our enemy.

A point well-taken.

On April 15, about 1000 TP protesters were in Union Square in SF.

Some of them are former anti-war protesters from the 1960's. According to them, the real TP is anti-war since according to the Constitution, only Congress can declare war and by following the Constitution, our military involvement in stupid wars (Iraq) would not occur.

They also stated that the Founding Fathers never contemplated our military stationed in 68 foreign countries around the world.

They had support from local progressives who claimed that the TP is a true grass-roots movement centered in populism and thus the TP are true progressives.

Further, Ariana's brilliantly simple piece in HuffPo displays an awakening on the Left that maybe, just maybe the TP'ers are on to something relative to Wall Street banksters:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/shorting-the-middle-class_b_543523.html

~Misstrial

Misstrial says

Some of them are former anti-war protesters from the 1960’s. According to them, the real TP is anti-war since according to the Constitution, only Congress can declare war and by following the Constitution, our military involvement in stupid wars (Iraq) would not occur.
They also stated that the Founding Fathers never contemplated our military stationed in 68 foreign countries around the world.

Wow! What horrible anti-American concepts! It is terribly anti-American to be against war and imperial expansionism. These Tea Baggers need to be re-educated by REAL Americans. Where's the Ministry of Truth when you need them?

"Conservatives can deal with black people fine, as long as they are mainstreamed, ie. act white."

Here yee here yee let it be said there's no such thing as a prejudice Democrat, and ALL Republicans are spital spewing raving lunatic Racists, who can't contain them selves from spinning into a racial epitaph. That expect nothing more than the Blacks know their place in the world.

It must be one damn small mental box, you Bastards live in.

Every Tea Party leader or member I've seen interviewed, talks about 3 things:

1) Taxes
2) Healthcare
3) Obama=Marxist

If the Teabaggers want to "get out the message" that what they are ACTUALLY about is anti-war, or anti-something-else, well frankly they suck at it. They get plenty of air time to say something different, but the first thing out of their mouths is always that priority list above. Cutting taxes i.e. "starve the beast" is the Republican mantra for about 3 decades now so you can see how people'd get a mite confusified.

If the rank & file are primarily about being anti-imperialist and it's supposedly a grassroots populist movement, well why they hell are they letting other people speak for them? It's not that difficult to have your appointed spokespeople mob the camera and shove the loons aside.

Now you can SAY oh it's a liberal media conspiracy, but is Fox News liberal?

the lack of a leader and the lack of a chosen spokesman and the lack of an individual to target to smear is (I feel) why the leftists are so nervous about the patriot/conservo/freedom movement. See you in Nov.

1) nobody is pro-war. most conservos are pro-military for obvious reasons, we want to stay free.

2) nobody is anti-healthcare. most conservos are pro-individual responsibity and pro-market force. Having an auto pay system removes both completely with the only winner being the docs, pharms, and politicos that dont have to live with the game they rig. Another benifactor is those who CHOOSE to not be responsible. Rewarding irresponsible behavior is a major problem with leftists.

3) nobody can deny the obvious - Lord Barry is absolutly following Carl's guide to a tee -- but maybe he is just a puppett for those who put him in place, so as an individual Barry may not actually be a Marxist ..... but, as a speaker/policey maker/leader/politician he is absolutly something really really really close to a Maxist/Stalinist/Maoist/communist/socialist .... a kind of Pelosi-lite.

RE: rank and file: does not apply to the patriots. And that is why the liberal/progressive/leftisits hate HATE H A T E and are afraid of the freedoms we possess. See you in Nov.

So how would this personal responsibility thing work with health care?

Sorry you work in a job that provides no bennies and you have chosen food and shelter instead of health insurance and now you are in the ED. Do we not treat you, do we deny coverage? Or say that you do have insurance but crappy insurance or heck, even good insurance and you drink your liver to death or eat your way to near death. Do we not treat you because you lack personal responsibility?

Do you wanna be that person at the patient's bed side that says, "we are discontinuing care due to a) lack of insurance b) lack of adequate insurance c) poor lifestyle choices."

So what solutions have the conservo's come up with to deal with our very expensive health care system?

And why doesn't Palin, who seems to get a heck of a lot air time, take the time to offer solutions?

BTW, there were a lot of left of center folks pissed about the bank bail-outs we just don't get the airtime.

I recall seeing a few opinion pieces but not much else. And funny how it's all Obama's fault. How quickly we forget Bush's 'don't ask, don't tell $$$$$$' he gave in the first round.

And where was the Tea Party during this 8 year war. Why has it taken them 8 years to come out against it?

Hmmm, fear?!?! Not so sure if it's fear. So what will happen if all these evil Dem's and Rep's get voted out? What are their competitors looking like? More of the same? I see McCain trying to reinvent himself after how many decades in the Senate. What are the other potential folks looking like?

Sure, some may get voted out but who will get voted in? Will they put the lobbyists in their place, far away from DC? Will we pull out of the ME wars and shut down at least 25% of our bases around the world? We will slash Medicare and SS? Privatize them?

Interesting times. I'm not nervous as I don't expect much change from Cheney/Bush era politics. Been there, done that. I'll know what to expect. No fear.

And, NO, I don't miss 'him' yet.

Vicente says

Every Tea Party leader or member I’ve seen interviewed, talks about 3 things:
1) Taxes

2) Healthcare

3) Obama=Marxist
If the Teabaggers want to “get out the message” that what they are ACTUALLY about is anti-war, or anti-something-else, well frankly they suck at it. They get plenty of air time to say something different, but the first thing out of their mouths is always that priority list above. Cutting taxes i.e. “starve the beast” is the Republican mantra for about 3 decades now so you can see how people’d get a mite confusified.
If the rank & file are primarily about being anti-imperialist and it’s supposedly a grassroots populist movement, well why they hell are they letting other people speak for them? It’s not that difficult to have your appointed spokespeople mob the camera and shove the loons aside.
Now you can SAY oh it’s a liberal media conspiracy, but is Fox News liberal?

That's all fair and valid.

I'm White and don't care for this administration. While I'm not a Tea Party supporter, and Vincent pretty much sums up Why.

I take it personal that every time people want to discredit a political view, the first thing they do is throw out the race card in which ever way is the most effective. They group all white people and non supporters of this administration into this Ernest Tee Tub queue.

It's dumb, ignorant, and does nothing to engage effective dialog. To say the least, Support a Liberal counter cause.

Tenouncetrout says

I’m White and don’t care for this administration.

Why do you group these together? What do they have to do with each other?

Tenouncetrout says

I take it personal that every time people want to discredit a political view, the first thing they do is throw out the race card in which ever way is the most effective. They group all white people and non supporters of this administration into this Ernest Tee Tub queue.

First of all, the correct way to say this is "I take it personally." You are using the adjective "personal" as an adverb that modifies the verb "to take." The ending to give an adjective to make it an adverb in English is "-ly."

The fact that you take this all very personally should tell you something. Examine yourself. Are you one of those conservatives who are racist? If not, and you are not a Tea Party supporter, then why do you take it personally when people point out that Tea Party demonstrations are 99.9% white and that many of the signs show racist ideas?

Tenouncetrout says

It’s dumb, ignorant, and does nothing to engage effective dialog. To say the least, Support a Liberal counter cause.

And I don't like being lumped into some imaginary conservative/republican/tea-party-goer projection of who they think Liberals are. I have never met the Liberal straw men that the right wingers on this board present and I'm very politically active. So, are you willing to eat some crow and examine yourselves? Or are we still in fear and projection mode?

Yeah OK fancy pantz!

Tenouncetrout says

Vicente says

Every Tea Party leader or member I’ve seen interviewed, talks about 3 things:

1) Taxes
2) Healthcare
3) Obama=Marxist

If the Teabaggers want to “get out the message” that what they are ACTUALLY about is anti-war, or anti-something-else, well frankly they suck at it. They get plenty of air time to say something different, but the first thing out of their mouths is always that priority list above. Cutting taxes i.e. “starve the beast” is the Republican mantra for about 3 decades now so you can see how people’d get a mite confusified.

If the rank & file are primarily about being anti-imperialist and it’s supposedly a grassroots populist movement, well why they hell are they letting other people speak for them? It’s not that difficult to have your appointed spokespeople mob the camera and shove the loons aside.

Now you can SAY oh it’s a liberal media conspiracy, but is Fox News liberal?

That’s all fair and valid.
I’m White and don’t care for this administration. While I’m not a Tea Party supporter, and Vincent pretty much sums up Why.
I take it personal that every time people want to discredit a political view, the first thing they do is throw out the race card in which ever way is the most effective. They group all white people and non supporters of this administration into this Ernest Tee Tub queue.
It’s dumb, ignorant, and does nothing to engage effective dialog. To say the least, Support a Liberal counter cause.

Hi Tenouncetrout:

As a 5th-generation Californian, let me be the first to apologize for the racist statements made on this Forum towards Americans of European descent. My hispanic husband also extends his apologies.

My great-great grandparents came out West via the Oregon Trail to follow the Gold Rush and I can promise you they would be very distressed to learn of the race-baiting and racist statements being publicly flung around by certain individuals who fancy themselves to be better than they really are.

My family moved to SF 110 years ago and so I'm not just some transient or transplant from The Flyover who moved to the East Bay who feels confident in insulting other Americans because they now have a California locale under their avatar.

Just to make things clear and as confirmed by the SF Chronicle:

http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/17/map-of-the-real-bay-area-investor-free

Unfortunately, this situation that you experienced here on this Forum is exactly the main reason why all Californians are perceived to be one way and one way only: the problem is that rudies move here from The Flyover, get a California DL and then proceed to insult everyone else right and left because they feel superior due to their new location.

Hate to break it to these folks, but here's the deal: Californians come in all political shades of blue and red and its SO NOT COOL and NOT CALIFORNIAN to insult *anyone* on the basis of their skin color. Ever.

We are a tolerant bunch, native Californians, and to openly insult someone for their politics is another Big No.

Real Californians do respect all views and I am sorry that someone who just moved here has annointed themself as Keeper of the Flame Eternal for all things political while representing themselves as a "Californian."

When I read the racist comments in an above-post, it seemed like the arrogant opinions expressed by persons who moved to Santa Fe, NM from the MidWest/Rust Belt.

In NM, the NM natives are aware of this situation too: persons from the Midwest or Pennsylvania or Indiana or some other Rust Belt State move to Santa Fe and proceeds with the arrogant attitude cr@p towards everyone else in NM who lives elsewhere, particularly in small towns like Sorrocco or Las Cruces.

Breathtaking level of arrogance and "total-answerism" by these transplants - maybe its just cover for the fact they really come from nowhere town/city and now that they think they've "Arrived" they think they have a license to go out and insult everyone else who they feel fails to meet their standards. Incredible.

~Misstrial (who is a political Independent)

You guys need a map to know where you "Don't" live?

...OK now I understand, carry on then.

Misstrial,

You conveniently forget California history and recent California history. Californians have a history of being racist, homophobic, and xenophobic. Your comments about people who come from "flyover states" illustrates Californian Xenophobia very well.

Here's an example of the historical reaction of California to newcomers of a different ethnic origin:

" "The constitution of California was rewritten in 1879 forbidding any man or woman of "Chinese or Mongolian" ancestry from earning a living by working for a white man. And the legislature delegated "all necessary power" to towns and cities "for the removal of Chinese." The state constitution declared that the Chinese people were "dangerous to the well-being of the State." "

And, of course, we have the modern example of homophobia in the form of writing more discrimination into the California Constitution with Prop 8.

So, get off of your "California is the best" soap box. No one is buying that fantasy here.

Stew a Few already.

Hi "simchaland"

Its no longer, what 1879...get a clue.

Never said that "California is the best" - just that posters like you insult others all the while misrepresenting yourself as a Californian.

Homophobia is all over the country unfortunately. If the politics here in Cali bother you so much, then MOVE to the state that you feel best suits your beliefs!

Thanks! :)

~Misstrial

Misstrial says

Hi Tenouncetrout:
As a 5th-generation Californian, let me be the first to apologize for the racist statements made on this Forum towards Americans of European descent. My hispanic husband also extends his apologies.
My great-great grandparents came out West via the Oregon Trail to follow the Gold Rush and I can promise you they would be very distressed to learn of the race-baiting and racist statements being publicly flung around by certain individuals who fancy themselves to be better than they really are.
My family moved to SF 110 years ago and so I’m not just some transient or transplant from The Flyover who moved to the East Bay who feels confident in insulting other Americans because they now have a California locale under their avatar.
Just to make things clear and as confirmed by the SF Chronicle:
http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/17/map-of-the-real-bay-area-investor-free
Unfortunately, this situation that you experienced here on this Forum is exactly the main reason why all Californians are perceived to be one way and one way only: the problem is that rudies move here from The Flyover, get a California DL and then proceed to insult everyone else right and left because they feel superior due to their new location.
Hate to break it to these folks, but here’s the deal: Californians come in all political shades of blue and red and its SO NOT COOL and NOT CALIFORNIAN to insult *anyone* on the basis of their skin color. Ever.
We are a tolerant bunch, native Californians, and to openly insult someone for their politics is another Big No.
Real Californians do respect all views and I am sorry that someone who just moved here has annointed themself as Keeper of the Flame Eternal for all things political while representing themselves as a “Californian.”
When I read the racist comments in an above-post, it seemed like the arrogant opinions expressed by persons who moved to Santa Fe, NM from the MidWest/Rust Belt.
In NM, the NM natives are aware of this situation too: persons from the Midwest or Pennsylvania or Indiana or some other Rust Belt State move to Santa Fe and proceeds with the arrogant attitude cr@p towards everyone else in NM who lives elsewhere, particularly in small towns like Sorrocco or Las Cruces.
Breathtaking level of arrogance and “total-answerism” by these transplants - maybe its just cover for the fact they really come from nowhere town/city and now that they think they’ve “Arrived” they think they have a license to go out and insult everyone else who they feel fails to meet their standards. Incredible.
~Misstrial (who is a political Independent)

That might take the cake as the most ridiculous post I've ever read on here. And that's saying something..

Actually it cleared alot up for me.

I mean the Bay Area is the antithesis of "Liberalism" and Liberal views.
I find it odd that the very people that chide the rest of the country for barriers, inequality and class barriers , reminds the surrounding cretins they aren't one of "THEM".

Misstrial says

Hi “simchaland”
Its no longer, what 1879…get a clue.
Never said that “California is the best” - just that posters like you insult others all the while misrepresenting yourself as a Californian.
Homophobia is all over the country unfortunately. If the politics here in Cali bother you so much, then MOVE to the state that you feel best suits your beliefs!
Thanks!
~Misstrial

Um yeah, I don't "misrepresent" myself as Californian. I live in Oakland. I'm a Midwesterner at heart and always will be. I would consider it an insult to be called a "Californian" after what I've observed living here for almost 8 years.

The general culture of California is one of the most extremely inhospitable and unwelcoming I've ever experienced in my world travels. This is saying a lot.

I'm proud to be a somewhat open and friendly Midwesterner who isn't trapped by the dogma that passes for "Liberal" and "Conservative" in California. I've also had the benefit of a real education and consider myself very fortunate that I've never had to rely on California public schools for any of my education because this state has the worst educational system in the country. And I'm free from the "I'm so very special" attitude that most Californians seem to exhibit along with strong leanings toward extreme narcissism.

With all due respect, I would never in 1,000,000 years insult myself by calling myself a "Californian." And the only reason why I'm staying among Californians is because I've met enough decent transplants from "flyover" states, as you all call them here, who understand how to be friendly, polite, and foster community. And my Midwestern family moved here too.

I hope that we transplants can educate you narcissistic Californians that superficial materialism and whacked-out ideologies are no replacement for a sense of community and neighborliness.

California isn't a liberal state. It's quite conservative. Even the people who call themselves "liberals" here tend to be quite unbending in their dogma of what it means to be "liberal." True Liberals accept differences and embrace them. California "liberals" have an ideology that excludes anyone who doesn't agree with their brand of "liberalism." California conservatives are just as pathetically attached to their ideologies and can't think for themselves either. I blame it on your education system here. From what I've seen most Californians don't know how to think for themselves.

And no, it's not 1879. It's 2010. It's only 2 years after Californians decided to write bigotry and hate into their constitution yet again like in 1879. So we gays are "partying like it's 1879" all over again thanks to the whack-jobs in this state.

"simchaland"

Can't wait for you to go back to where you came from as I am tired of transients misrepresenting Californians to the rest of America!

Thanks!

~Misstrial

Tenouncetrout says

Actually it cleared alot up for me.
I mean the Bay Area is the antithesis of “Liberalism” and Liberal views.

I find it odd that the very people that chide the rest of the country for barriers, inequality and class barriers , reminds the surrounding cretins they aren’t one of “THEM”.

Yeah, you not "here" until you're "there."

That's the way its always been and always will be. Even the native Chumash had it over the Alikliks of Gorman and Paiutes of the High Desert because they were "coast." LOL

~Misstrial

Misstrial,

I'm here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.

Good luck. I'm not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

simchaland says

Misstrial,
I’m here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.
Good luck. I’m not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

Wow.

You just revealed yourself as being everything I posted above.

God help us here in California.

Just remember to stay off the 580 and 880 when you are particularly angry.

~Misstrial

francophile100 says

This thread is really getting stupid. That being said, as a midwestern transplant since 1975, and a survivor of the CA public school system, I’m glad to reside in the “Real Bay Area” LOL

LOL ;)

~Misstrial

francophile100 says

This thread is really getting stupid. That being said, as a midwestern transplant since 1975, and a survivor of the CA public school system, I’m glad to reside in the “Real Bay Area” LOL

Agreed, this thread has gotten quite stupid. I added to it. I guess I felt like being entertained. *sigh*

And I'm proud to live in "Not the real Bay Area." That way I would never have to claim status as a BayAryan, an extremely crippling condition, to be sure. *wink*

Misstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial,
I’m here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.
Good luck. I’m not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

Wow.
You just revealed yourself as being everything I posted above.
God help us here in California.
Just remember to stay off the 580 and 880 when you are particularly angry.
~Misstrial

Oh, and one other thing... You people can't even drive. Did any of you get anything out of Driver's Ed or did they cut that from your educational system too along with geography, history, physical education, art, music, philosophy, civics, and political science?

simchaland says

Misstrial says

simchaland says

Misstrial,

I’m here to stay. Get used to it. So, you uneducated, rude, narcissistic, vapid, and rigid Californians may have to learn to become human beings after all.

Good luck. I’m not sure you guys have the capacity for becoming real human beings, but time will tell.

Wow.

You just revealed yourself as being everything I posted above.

God help us here in California.

Just remember to stay off the 580 and 880 when you are particularly angry.

~Misstrial

Oh, and one other thing… You people can’t even drive. Did any of you get anything out of Driver’s Ed or did they cut that from your educational system too along with geography, history, physical education, art, music, philosophy, civics, and political science?

OMG "you people" - LOL

Keep it up, just keep it up! I'm sure readers are getting some laughs at your expense now. LOL

~Misstrial

Wow, you must be too narcissistic to see that even I'm laughing at my own posts, and yours too. Do you actually think I put any weight on your opinions? And do you seriously think that I think so much about myself that I take my own posts as seriously as you do?

^^now trying to rewrite history^^ LOL

(btw, Due to your meltdown, you've shot any future opportunity on this Forum to pass yourself off as being a tolerant liberal.)

~Misstrial

Misstrial says

^^now trying to rewrite history^^ LOL
(btw, Due to your meltdown, you’ve shot any future opportunity on this Forum to pass yourself off as being a tolerant liberal.)
~Misstrial

LOL, you think so, don't you. But alas, you are proving my point with every post you make. The difference is that I don't particularly care about what my reputation is on some obscure forum on the Internet using a pseudonym. I think I expressed elsewhere around here that I'm here for entertainment. I like political dialogue and economics. Sometimes both kinds of discussions happen here. Other times, it's just about entertainment. This thread? It's mostly entertainment. Not much of substance happening here...