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This is turning into a Teapartiers Hell!

Tenouncetrout says

This is turning into a Teapartiers Hell!

Should we start singing "Kumbaya" and "We Shall Overcome" while enrolling everyone in a nationalized health care system? Would that finally make it into a Teapartier's Hell? LOL!

I can throw in bank bail outs and anti-gun laws to seal the deal, if you'd like.

RayAmerica says

Wow! What horrible anti-American concepts! It is terribly anti-American to be against war and imperial expansionism.

Anti-American? Of course not, silly. It's RACIST!

Nomograph says

Misstrial says

Can’t wait for you to go back to where you came from as I am tired of transients

Do you blame her too for your inability to afford your Malibu Barbie dream house? I’m just curious.

I don't blame anyone for anything that I have or don't have. I got to play with the Malibu Barbie dream house all I wanted with a girlfriend I had growing up. I even have a "Jewess Barbie" that a boyfriend bought me when I turned 30 along with a giant Barbie sheet cake. "Jewess Barbie" came with dark brown curls and a silver and blue ballroom gown. So, I don't lack for anything Barbie.

Oh, I'm sorry, I was mistaken. LOL! I was entertained though. And by the way, I'm a dude! Huh?! What? Yeah, it's true. I'm a gay dude.

I didn't realize that MissPrincess didn't get her Malibu mansion that she worked so hard to get but didn't because of the evil Baby Boomers. Hmmm, come to think of it, that's another critique I have of Californians. Not only do they seem to think that each one of them is so very special, they also believe that the world owes them because, well, they said so... LOL!

simchaland says

Oh, I’m sorry, I was mistaken. LOL! I was entertained though. And by the way, I’m a dude! Huh?! What? Yeah, it’s true. I’m a gay dude.

A gay dude with a jewess Barbie? Did she have mini-plastic surgery scars? If not, she's not a real jewess Barbie and you got taken...

I lost the meaning of the thread somewhere around Misstrial's rant.

Misstrial says

Real Californians do respect all views and I am sorry that someone who just moved here has annointed themself as Keeper of the Flame Eternal for all things political while representing themselves as a “Californian.”

"Real" Californians? What a crock! A "real" Californian is someone who lives there. If you move there, you're a "real" Californian & certainly don't have to be there 110 years to prove it. And there are horrible racists bigots who've lived there many years and people who moved there recently who are wonderful and tolerant of others. Even gay dudes with fake jewess Barbies (no offense, Sim - but as a jewess we actually drew little scars on our Barbies so they'd look like our mommies) can be considered "real."

I'm woefully lost on this one, but

Misstrial says

^^now trying to rewrite history^^ LOL
(btw, Due to your meltdown, you’ve shot any future opportunity on this Forum to pass yourself off as being a tolerant liberal.)
~Misstrial

...is one of the oddest comments here.

elliemae says

simchaland says

Oh, I’m sorry, I was mistaken. LOL! I was entertained though. And by the way, I’m a dude! Huh?! What? Yeah, it’s true. I’m a gay dude.

A gay dude with a jewess Barbie? Did she have mini-plastic surgery scars? If not, she’s not a real jewess Barbie and you got taken…

Wow, I guess I did get taken. Well, at least I dumped his ass shortly after, so I feel better about it now. lol

I lost the meaning of the thread somewhere around Misstrial’s rant.

You too? I thought it was just me.

Misstrial says

Real Californians do respect all views and I am sorry that someone who just moved here has annointed themself as Keeper of the Flame Eternal for all things political while representing themselves as a “Californian.”

“Real” Californians? What a crock! A “real” Californian is someone who lives there. If you move there, you’re a “real” Californian & certainly don’t have to be there 110 years to prove it. And there are horrible racists bigots who’ve lived there many years and people who moved there recently who are wonderful and tolerant of others. Even gay dudes with fake jewess Barbies (no offense, Sim - but as a jewess we actually drew little scars on our Barbies so they’d look like our mommies) can be considered “real.”

Damnit! I was trying to avoid being labeled a "Californian." It's so demeaning and insulting. Alas, you do have a point. I'm a California resident and all. And I guess I've lived here for 8 years. So, my claim to still being a Chicagoan or Midwesterner still might be as fake as my Barbie. Damnit! BTW, did I mention that I dumped his ass?

I’m woefully lost on this one, but
Misstrial says

^^now trying to rewrite history^^ LOL

(btw, Due to your meltdown, you’ve shot any future opportunity on this Forum to pass yourself off as being a tolerant liberal.)

~Misstrial

…is one of the oddest comments here.

Darn, and I was so looking forward to infiltrating Conservative Headquarters. I've always wanted to play with a life-sized Barbie and I hear they have a big one there from Alaska who was a beauty queen!

Yes - you mentioned the dumping. But you sound a little wistful - is it because you weren't left with a realistic Barbie, or that at least he got one with color-coordinated shoes?

Sorry, but you are a "real" Californian. I, too, am one - even tho I don't live there any longer. I was born there, lived there the first part of my life, have family that goes back to the 1920's... But I'm also a real Utahn... I just realized something:

My name is Elliemae, and I'm a real American - even if I can't see Russia from my house.

Yeah, she's all plastic looking 'n stuff (so there's some resemblance to the women in my family) but there are no scars and the shoes don't match the bag. I got really gypped. And you know what's even worse? She didn't come with a real 3 carat diamond ring! The nerve!

Damn, now do I have to start eating Real Happy Californian Cheese from Real Happy Californian Cows?

And didn't you have to become a Mormon, or rather a LDS, to become a resident of Deseret, um, I mean, Utah?

And you must be waaaaay more "Real Californian" than me since you have family that goes back to the 1920's here. I have family who were here in the 1930's and then family that settled here later in the 1960's to stay permanently. But by Missthang's definition, you're waaay more Californian than me.

Not LDS. Never considered converting. Depending upon where you live, people are very tolerant of your choice to remain a heathen. Utah, the only state where a Jew can be a gentile.

You obviously didn't catch my diatribe on the definition of a "real" Californian. Let me put it in simple terms - you live there, you're real. You can eat whatever cheese you would like, but please don't cut the cheese in front of a plastic woman. She lacks the ability to wrinkle her nose, making her an unhappy cow.

That was udderly ridiculous. I hope you don't have a beef with that comment. Where's Mikey when we need him?

simchaland says

And by the way, I’m a dude! Huh?! What? Yeah, it’s true. I’m a gay dude.

Is it too soon into Simcha's coming out party to start making jokes like...gay dude + grizzly bear avatar = hilarious joke?

We could really use Mikey right about now.

CBOEtrader says

Is it too soon into Simcha’s coming out party to start making jokes like…gay dude + grizzly bear avatar = hilarious joke?
We could really use Mikey right about now.

Mikey's intervention here would be a hairy post for sure, and I'm not sure that I'd be able to bear it.

I'll meet you all at the Lone Star in SOMA for a drink after work.

[Somalia is] so perfect for the Baggers — they are anti-government; there is NONE— thus, no taxes — strict adherence to the Right to Bear Arms; everyone has RPGs and automatic rifles and grenades

HAW HAW, YUCK YUCK, you really showed them wingnuts with that analogy. The US is funded by Al Queda terrorists, just like Somalia.. and the "Baggers" oppose law enforcement and national defense, right? With such a close correlation to Tea Bagger utopia, we should rename Somalia to be 'Baggerstan'. HAW HAW

Tea Party detractors use simpleton analogies like this all the time: "If you oppose massive government interference in health care and banking, you must therefore oppose ALL govt". Tiny little minds

What is this obsession with disparaging those who choose to link themselves with the Tea Party? Are we supposed to believe that it is impossible someone oppose the recent Health Care Reform bill unless that person is a racist. If that is the case, then I guess Mish (who Patrick links to frequently) is secretly a member of the KKK. If a person believes taxes are too high, does that mean the person supports a return to slavery? I don't understand the logic behind the invective. Are there people out there holding horrible signs? I'm sure there are, just as there are people protesting at the funerals of dead marines. Am I to assume that since there are religious wackos protesting at marine funerals, this means that all people who oppose the war in Iraq do so because they believe God is punishing this country for homosexuality? If a person happens to agree with the Taxed Enough Already idea, why shouldn't they go out and make their voices heard? There are currently people making their voices heard in Illinois asking for higher taxes; let them have their say, listen to what they say, and debate them on the merits of their arguments. If their arguments have no merits, their influence will be short-lived and negligible.

As much as it might pain people on both sides to admit it, there are logical people on each side of these debates. Plato and Aristotle had differences of opinion, does this make one of them a fool or illogical? And crazy as this may sound, pointing to the behavior of Congress or Presidents does not invalidate the arguments of the layman. Just because Bush wasted a lot of money does not mean that every conservative supported that waste, and ignoring an argument by referring to actions in the past (that individual voters have pretty much no control over) is not a way to prove a point. So to argue that Obama spending trillions of dollars on something is unimportant because Bush also spent trillions ignores the fact that there are a sizable number of people who didn't like when Bush did it and still don't like it when Obama does it. When you consider the approval ratings for Bush in his second term, it seems fair to say that a lot of the people not happy with Obama weren't happy with Bush either. It is not an either/or situation. Nor does misrepresenting the positions of a movement do anything to discredit that movement. For example, to label the Tea Party as "anti-government" shows little critical thought. As far as I can tell, the movement is anti-taxes and government spending, which is hardly to be "anti-government." The Federalist and the Anti-Federalists got into similar arguments, and neither side was "anti-government." Each side views the role of government differently (and there are certainly members of the Tea Party who are anti-government, just as there were anti-government anarchists among those who protested the Iraq war, every movement will attract its share of extremists), and each side often has history on its side. If it were as simple as many people would like to make it out to be, there would be no disagreement. If all economists agreed that stimulus spending was the way to handle recessions, then that is what we would do. If everyone agreed that the costs of having overseas military bases was not offset in some way by perceived security interests, then we would close our bases. The key is to engage people and discuss situations, so that maybe one day we can agree. It serves no purpose to issue blanket statements like Obama is a a Socialist without offering examples, just as it serves no purpose to issue blanket statements such as those who believe Obama is a Socialist don't understand what Socialism is without backing it up by offering a justification for the statement. Part of the problem is that not even experts can agree on what constitutes Socialism, so almost everyone is working from a different definition (and dictionary definitions are frequently awful considering most dictionaries omit corporatism as an aspect of Fascism). It doesn't help that the USSR itself did not fit the dictionary definition of Socialist or Communist, nor did Mussolini's Italy. When the average person calls someone a "communist," they don't mean the word in the same way that Marx would have meant it, and to not recognize the eccentricities of language leads to semantic arguments that don't advance the discussion. If we can't agree on what Socialism is, obviously we won't agree on whether or not Obama is a Socialist. If I had my way, we would drop the use of labels such as these entirely; Socialist is about as useful a label as Neocon is at this point, since somehow in common conversation Neocon has lost its original meaning of a pro-military, ostensibly fiscally conservative but socially liberal individual.

The real question is this: what is added to the political discussion by posts such as this one? All this seems to indicate is that there are people who have already made up their minds about the potential validity of any argument the other side makes, which continues to contribute to the polarized nature of national politics, and the illusion that every issue is a blanket split between Right and Left. To attempt to construct a typical conservative is going to be a difficult prospect, because there are so few issues that all conservatives agree on that not everyone agrees on (pretty much the only issue likely to get 100 percent support from all self-identified conservatives is a distaste for wasting money, but my guess is that liberals don't particularly care for wasting money either; and not all conservatives agree on what constitutes wasting money anyway). I would argue that no political affiliation is more split than "conservative" when you consider the fact that cultural conservatives and libertarians disagree on almost all social issues. It's about as futile to call someone a conservative as it is to attempt to discern what or what does not make someone a real Californian (especially considering the majority of the country considers to self-identify as conservative, yet the supposedly liberal Democrats continue to win elections, and it is a fair guess that Obama must have attracted some self-identified conservatives to vote for him).

CBOEtrader says

RayAmerica says
Wow! What horrible anti-American concepts! It is terribly anti-American to be against war and imperial expansionism.

CBOEtrader says:
Anti-American? Of course not, silly. It’s RACIST!

That goes without saying. Everyone knows if you're white, you are a racist. BTW, any idea how many whites belong to the Congressional Black Caucus?

ahasuerus99 says

What is this obsession with disparaging those who choose to link themselves with the Tea Party? Are we supposed to believe that it is impossible someone oppose the recent Health Care Reform bill unless that person is a racist.

What's strange as these with this obsession identify them selves as an "American"(and rightly so, that aint the point) but they don't identify them selves as a "Republican" let alone a "Tea Party" supporter. They identify them selves as Democrats or what ever branch of the Liberal Left they may identify with. While they may not identify with every idea in what embodies the Left. They can not imagine that while Tea Party supporters may Identify with much of what the Tea Party is saying, without identifying with some of the people that also identify with those issues, such as against the Federal Rim job we've been getting for over ten years now. This isn't all about Obama You know.

This revolt against Big Gov-> Big Biz -> Big Gov, has been coming for years. If Bush Sr. had been black then Ross Pero would be the brunt of all this Leftward fervor then.

If I do recall, his supporters at first, were written off as Gomer Fudd, which only made his popularity even stronger. Though Ross was his own demise with "I'm in! I'm out! I'm in! I'm out!"

ahasuerus99 says

What is this obsession with disparaging those who choose to link themselves with the Tea Party? Are we supposed to believe that it is impossible someone oppose the recent Health Care Reform bill unless that person is a racist. If that is the case, then I guess Mish (who Patrick links to frequently) is secretly a member of the KKK. If a person believes taxes are too high, does that mean the person supports a return to slavery? I don’t understand the logic behind the invective. Are there people out there holding horrible signs? I’m sure there are, just as there are people protesting at the funerals of dead marines. Am I to assume that since there are religious wackos protesting at marine funerals, this means that all people who oppose the war in Iraq do so because they believe God is punishing this country for homosexuality?

This is the philosophical free fall that conservatives assume is running through Liberal minds without actually being curious as to why Liberals find the Tea Party demonstraters so offensive.

The conclusions you draw are illogical. Just because we Liberals don't like the racist tone of the Tea Party doesn't mean that we believe that all criticism of Obama and his administration is racist. I, and many other Liberals, have voiced similar critiques of Obama and his administration here and elsewhere. That doesn't make us racist. The anti-government and anti-tax and even some of the anti-Obama sentiment in the Tea Party isn't racism.

Signs that depict Obama as a monkey, calling him a Muslim as if this would be an insult, claiming he's a Kenyan, depicting him as a witch doctor, claiming that somehow "we have lost our country" (and it has nothing to do with the health care debate), having signs that depict a noose saying that "there's gonna be a hangin'" and making claims that somehow Obama must be a socialist and communist while being fascist (and this isn't possible if you understand these political ideologies) create an atmosphere that appears racist.

If the Tea Party demonstrators would passionately argue for less government, lower taxes, less regulation, while offering real solutions to our country's problems then we Liberals would be able to have an actual honest real debate about the issues. Instead we are confronted with racial epithets being hurled at legislators and even people spitting on certain legislators simply for being black or gay.

The message is lost in a sea of hate. That's the problem I have with the Tea Party as an American Liberal. I find their mindset anti-American. We are supposed to live in a country that encourages freedom of expression while at the same time allowing others to express themselves freely so that honest political debate can take place that can lead to real solutions through cooperation, even when we passionately disagree. This is what is lost in the message sent by the demonstrations put on by the Tea Party organizers. It's the American notion that we are ALL Americans, whatever our beliefs, color, ethnicity, etc. and that we can argue passionately about our different views while forming collaborative and hard fought solutions to our most pressing problems that is missing in the Tea Party. The Tea Party shuts down debate. They hurl insults and slogans without offering any solutions and without showing the willingness to sit down and have an honest debate where collaboration and compromise can happen.

Our government is supposed to work collaboratively and compromise is written into the system with checks and balances. That's why each branch only holds 1/3 of the power each. That's why it's healthy to have people from all parts of the political spectrum holding office in our three branches of government. It's the strength of our American political institutions to collaborate, debate, and compromise. That's not possible with the current state of affairs concerning the Tea Party.

They show up with guns. They show up with offensive signs. They shut down any opposition by shouting over anyone who disagrees with them. Remember the town halls during the health care "debates." I use quotes around the word "debates" because they weren't debates. They were conventions where Tea Party members shut down any chance at debate by shouting over anyone who disagreed with their agenda. That's anti-American. That's not how the Founding Fathers came together to form our system of government.

That is a list of the problems I have as an American Liberal with the Tea Party.

Debate, disagreement, opposition, critique, criticism, and passion are all part of the American experience in government. Thug tactics like shouting down anyone who disagrees, spitting on legislators, yelling racial epithets, yelling homophobic epithets, bringing guns to demonstrations where elected officals are to "enforce" your point, and attempting to define your opposition with illogical ad hominem attacks is Anti-American. It's the tyranny of a mob.

Hello in there McFly!

Newt Gingrich said that he expects the Tea Party movement to evolve into "the militant wing of the Republican Party" at a speaking engagement in Pennsylvania on Wednesday night, the York Dispatch reports.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/newt-gingrich-tea-party-t_n_548250.html

Gingrich has also previously said Tea Party leaders "understand that in the end their job is to help defeat Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi"

http://vodpod.com/watch/3379691-gingrich-tea-party-leaders-understand-that-in-the-end-their-job-is-to-help-defeat-harry-reid-and-nancy-pelosi-media-matters-for-america

Any idea of being independent or third party is thus either fantasy or smoke screen. The slogan of "vote them ALL out" is laughable & a lie on it's face because it doesn't apply to Republicans. I suppose it's possible Gingrich is lying about all this, or mistaken. If so, the Tea Party should correct Gingrich and demonstrate that they are not merely a Republican faction by actions.

I'm waiting to see who they Ultimately back as Candidate and on what ticket they run, before I really cast my lot. And by that I actually mean take serious.

I never cared for changing one "Group" to another. It's all about the face and the man in the end that gets thrown out front. I can get the rest from how sincere that person is, based on his campaign rhetoric.

It's like my propensity to put a face to the food, and they need to match. I don't want to see Earl Rodgers making my Fried rice Sechuan Beef, no more than I'm interested in Luis Carbajal making Memphis Ribs or Sushi.

These "Grassroots" sham groups have a knack of putting the wrong c(r)ook out front, and every one eats what ever they dish out, because they look stunning in that Chefs hat.

elliemae says

That was udderly ridiculous. I hope you don’t have a beef with that comment. Where’s Mikey when we need him?

Where's the beef? I don't understand how Mikey, who won't eat it because he hates everything, can help us here. Are you trying to tell me that the plastic beings who stand as matriarchs of my family have a bovine nature? They told me that they are Divine. But that can't be true either since she's been dead since March 7, 1988 and I don't think that any of them have ever starred in a John Waters film. Pink flamingos and desperate living can have a real impact on women who live in trailers. And what about the tornadoes and their attraction to trailer parks, or is it that tornadoes are attracted to pink flamingos? I get so confused.

Babs!!!

Eggs!!!

Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!

The only thing I know about tea bagger as a 'movement' is Rick Santelli of cnbc saying he didn't want to pay for other peoples mortgages through taxes. I agree with him on that- gov doesn't help me with my rent nor should it. I'm not sure what the rest of the 'tea party movement' really is and I don't think most of them have any concrete idea what it is either. That won't stop some would-be politicians to let the tea baggers know exactly what they should stand for.

So the question I want to you answer for me is:

Am I a Tea Bagger?

I am white and over 50.
I drive an old white beat-up Ford pick-up. (just because I'm cheap, it's just a tool plus I don't give a shit what you think)
I think as long as you aren't hurting anybody, do what you like. (pot, cigs, booze, drugs, sex, gay, no helmet ok, abortion,
gambling, whatever)
I am strongly law and order. (if you rob, embezzle, murder, rape, assault, threaten, molest, deal drugs, manufacture or
smuggle drugs, defraud etcetera you go to PRISON)
I am not a racist. (people are just people)
I am against illegal immigration. (we have immigration laws and these people are breaking them)
I am for personal responsibility. ( you break the law you pay, you spend more than you can afford you pay, you make a
Bad investment you pay)
I am against both wars as they now stand. ( I could care less about people in other countries, let them fight it out and
determine their own destinys)
I am for a strong defense. (a strong defense means when we are attacted or threatened we respond with brutal force,
defeat the enemy and then leave. Let the vanquished fend for themselves afterword)
I am for social security, universal healthcare, care for the disabled, limited help for poor families with children for citizens
only. (being a citizen is a priviledge and should be something immigrants strive for)
abolishion of taxes on corporations that manufacture for export only.
Capital gains should not be reduced. ( I work my ass off and pay taxes and those who play the investment casino can pay
theirs too.

Are you a teabagger? I dunno, how do you respond to the following links?

TAX DAY TEA PARTY 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbyFeFhUTmI

Newt Gingrich: Tea Party Turning Into The 'Militant' Wing Of GOP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/newt-gingrich-tea-party-t_n_548250.html

http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/thepublicsquare/2009/11/11/authoritarianism-in-america/

Deanrite, I, too, have been curious where my values and beliefs put me in the political spectrum. I do shy away from labels due to their limiting factors but curiosity led me to a few surveys though 'Tea Bagger' wasn't an option. I find myself to be just left of center and somewhat Libertarian.

Now I'll watch kentm's link and see if I'm a Tea Bag.

Looking at this video from DC tax day protest, I am NOT a Tea Bag

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/new-left-media-at-the-tax-day-tea-party-protests/

Other than a few areas, it turns out I am a Deanrite Party follower. About 85% match.

Bap33 says

Other than a few areas, it turns out I am a Deanrite Party follower. About 85% match.

Yeah, I'm like a 95% match. Deanrite for Prez!

Ha!

Well just elect me creator of the universe.

Any of you hear of the Coffee Party?

"A key difference is in our emphasis on the democratic process, on respectful and civil engagement with one another and with our elected officials. In the current climate, too many Americans are afraid to participate, and find the process itself too alienating, because it is dominated by people with extreme opinions and extreme tactics. It's hard to speak up when others in the room are screaming. So in the end, we may want some of the same things, but we our hoping our journey getting there will be very different."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Party_USA

Leigh says

Any of you hear of the Coffee Party?
“A key difference is in our emphasis on the democratic process, on respectful and civil engagement with one another and with our elected officials. In the current climate, too many Americans are afraid to participate, and find the process itself too alienating, because it is dominated by people with extreme opinions and extreme tactics. It’s hard to speak up when others in the room are screaming. So in the end, we may want some of the same things, but we our hoping our journey getting there will be very different.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Party_USA

Oh crap! Now Starbucks will put one on every corner! Oh, wait...

elliemae says

Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!

LOL! Sure, I don't get to Utah much though (at all... the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let's go out for drinks 'n such.

simchaland says

elliemae says
Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!
LOL! Sure, I don’t get to Utah much though (at all… the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let’s go out for drinks ‘n such.

Just amazing! Even in internet forums, every chick swoons over the gay dude. Completely off topic: what is it abuot gay dudes that makes straight chicks love them so much? A more difficult question: what is it about straight dudes, that makes lesbians hate them? I have never been able to figure that one out.

CBOEtrader says

simchaland says

elliemae says
Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!
LOL! Sure, I don’t get to Utah much though (at all… the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let’s go out for drinks ‘n such.

Just amazing! Even in internet forums, every chick swoons over the gay dude. Completely off topic: what is it abuot gay dudes that makes straight chicks love them so much? A more difficult question: what is it about straight dudes, that makes lesbians hate them? I have never been able to figure that one out.

It's not that he's gay that makes me swoon. It's that he caught some pretty obscure movie references (including the mention of the word "crib.)" That gets me every time. I love a man whose sense of humor goes to eleven.

I think that the stereotypical woman swoons over the stereotypical gay dude because he knows how to dress and is a sensitive man. But not every gay man knows how to dress or cares about being sensitive, nor is every woman attracted to every type of man.

IMHO some militant lesbians hate straight men - not all lesbians hate men. But my observations aren't based on personal info, because I live in a very sexually repressed area of the country where a gay man is welcome to be gay as long as he "acts like" a straight man - and a militant lesbian (or any lesbian) is welcome to be a militant lesbian as long as she doesn't act "militant" and doesn't act like a lesbian. All they have to do is act like they like the opposite sex and then we won't have to think about the abhorrent things that they do with people whose parts are like theirs.

Meanwhile, we still practice abhorrent stuff in our bedrooms, but we do it behind closed doors and with people of the opposite sex (or a couple of people?). In some communities, we do it with minor children who have been assigned as a second, third or fourth wife... But that's okay, because it's not with people whose parts are the same as ours.

FYI, most people in Utah do not practice polygamy nor do they believe in it. Polygamy was denounced by the church in the late 1800's or so because of political pressures. It's interesting to note (at least to me) that there's a church sponsored program called "evergreen" that helps homosexuals overcome abhorrent thoughts & behaviors. A friend of mine says it's the best place for him to pick up men...

http://www.evergreeninternational.org/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_would_the_Mormon_church_denounce_polygamy_if_the_Mormon_founders_taught_and_practiced_polygamy

Ha! Kookie Mormons. Why don't Mormons make love standing up? Because they're afraid someone will think they're dancing. Here at the holiday inn- all week.

for future reference, I am a male lesbian.

Tenouncetrout says

simchaland says

The pictures speak for themselves.

The pictures say people know how to use photo shop and take pictures.
They don’t tell me if they are true or not.
I remember after the Chinese Olympics people were posting pictures they got from a blog that got from Google, of signs of Mal worded signs, most of them were photo shop alters.
Again though note the first picture, the sign directly over his head.
Liberals are so far out of touch that you choose to group everyone as a whole based on a the outspoken, and not the silent angry ones that are obviously listening to this extreme right wing rhetoric. Why? Oh maybe they are taking their chances over the Extreme Left bipolarization that is going on in Washington.
Both Parties are Off their Meds, lets be perfectly clear here.
All I’m saying, you’re not going to win that other 80-90%, that aren’t racist ignorant inbreds over by calling them as such, while not at least acknowledging the follies of this administration. There’s no common ground other wise. This 2 party system you guys demanded, is poised to bite you in the ass.
NOW you want to call the other party a bunch of Nimka Poops.
Democracy making, sure is hard work ain’t it?

When is the last time you been to a liberal rally with such racist themes?

These were not one off incidents and cannot be overlooked as if the entire party is not a group of southern rebels who are on a white power movement. Fortunately for us they hide behind the rallys and dont take this behavior to the workplace or do they.....you think anyone of these people would hire a black, Jewish or Mexican?..I doubt they would. We need to ride America of this type of hatred.

kentm says

Are you a teabagger? I dunno, how do you respond to the following links?
TAX DAY TEA PARTY 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbyFeFhUTmI
Newt Gingrich: Tea Party Turning Into The ‘Militant’ Wing Of GOP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/newt-gingrich-tea-party-t_n_548250.html
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/thepublicsquare/2009/11/11/authoritarianism-in-america/

The tea party is composed of the arch conservatives to the far right and the so-called rich (100k - 200k) business owners who have fooled themselves into thinking they are running at the same level as Goldman Sachs. For the members to be claiminig that there taxes have increased although the facts show different is a testament to their stupidity and hatred.

The Tea Party is about nothing more than the fear of a black president. Period.