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You know nothing about how the Canadian system works by the way.

And you base this conclusion on what bob? Remember what happened the last time you challenged me on the facts? At least back then when you had egg on your face, at least you had the moral integrity then to do a mea culpa which is more than 95% of what your leftist fellow travelers on this site are willing to do whenever they are proven dead wrong. You have a admirable amount of honesty, but if you were brighter, you would learn from past errors. You relish in your ignorance instead of learning from the humiliation that it brings you.

You seem to suggest that Canadian healthcare wait lists are not much of a problem in their health care system. Please do elaborate on that position so that we can better understand your base of "knowledge" on this subject

ZippyDDoodah says

which is more than 95% of what your leftist fellow travelers on this site are willing to do whenever they are proven dead wrong.

Please quote your source.

ZippyDDoodah says

At least back then when you had egg on your face

Please show evidence that Bob-o had eggs on his face. Acceptable forms of proof would be a photograph, or lab report displaying the ratio of egg to other foods he might have on his face. Please note that left-over lunch in his mustache doesn't count unless it contains eggs.

ZippyDDoodah says

but if you were brighter

The joke shall be on you if the eggs of which you speak were sunny-side up...

ZippyDDoodah says

You relish in your ignorance instead of learning from the humiliation that it brings you.

Relish? He's in a real pickle now.

ZippyDDoodah says

Remember what happened the last time you challenged me on the facts? Please do elaborate on that position so that we can better understand your base of “knowledge on this subject

Do you want him to elaborate on his position, or describe wherefrom he got his knowledge? Actually, it appears that you simply want to make statements that allow you to feel superior.

ZippyDDoodah says

they are proven dead wrong

The only thing that you've proven is that you like to attack people who disagree with you. We get that.

ZippyDDoodah says

You know nothing about how the Canadian system works by the way.

And you base this conclusion on what bob? Remember what happened the last time you challenged me on the facts? At least back then when you had egg on your face, at least you had the moral integrity then to do a mea culpa which is more than 95% of what your leftist fellow travelers on this site are willing to do whenever they are proven dead wrong. You have a admirable amount of honesty, but if you were brighter, you would learn from past errors. You relish in your ignorance instead of learning from the humiliation that it brings you.
You seem to suggest that Canadian healthcare wait lists are not much of a problem in their health care system. Please do elaborate on that position so that we can better understand your base of “knowledge” on this subject

I'm still waiting for your research to back up your original assertion that people with higher deductions will result in lower systemic health care costs. The only thing I have egg on my face is the fact that I was in error on was the level of deductions which is totally irrelevant to your assertions.

You made the claim Canadian doctors are all second rate losers, you back it up.

I've lived and worked in Europe, Canada, Central America, and the South Pacific without ever having any problems with the health care system. You managed to visit 2 countries and find 2 incompetent doctors. Pretty amazingl

You made the claim Canadian doctors are all second rate losers, you back it up.

I never said "all" in the literal sense, but in general, the better Canadian doctors have moved or are moving to the US for the obvious reason that there are better opportunities for them beyond what the socialized healthcare system of Canada offers them http://ur.lc/j27 . Canadian vs US salaries of doctors here: http://ur.lc/j28 . Common sense dictates that many of the better doctors would be drawn to where the opportunities for them and their families is best. It's not like this is rocket science to figure out

I've never seen as incompetent doctors (2 out of 2 doctors in Montreal) as I experienced in Canada. Instead of running tests to determine the cause of an itching rash on my back, the 1st doctor told me to use some over the counter cream, and when it continued to worsen, I went to a 2nd doctor there who also did not run any tests, but pulled out a book (seriously) to try and figure out what it was. Two days later I flew into New York and a medical intern from one of the 24 hour doc-in-the-box facilities solved it immediately with an anti-inflammatory shot and a precautionary test just to make sure it was nothing more serious. This is admittedly anectdotal, but 2 for 2 cartoonishly incompetent doctors?

ellie wrote:

The only thing that you’ve proven is that you like to attack people who disagree with you. We get that.

You're repeated that worn out "We get that" enough times in many threads... likely because it's one of your safety blanket talking point retorts that you repeat over and over and over.

It's rich to hear ellie complain about "attacks" when I was responding to a direct insult, especially when on this very thread she 'attacks?' me as "sadly misinformed", "ill informed" and "short-sighted and socially irresponsible".

ZippyDDoodah says

I never said “all” in the literal sense, but in general, the better Canadian doctors have moved or are moving to the US for the obvious reason that there are better opportunities for them beyond what the socialized healthcare system of Canada offers them http://ur.lc/j27 . Canadian vs US salaries of doctors here: http://ur.lc/j28 . Common sense dictates that many of the better doctors would be drawn to where the opportunities for them and their families is best. It’s not like this is rocket science to figure out

Did you actually read the article the that blog was based on? Or just the headline?
http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2007/10/canadian-versus-american-physician.html
http://media.www.mcgilltribune.com/media/storage/paper234/news/2007/10/16/Features/Scalpels.And.Salaries.Where.Do.Doctors.Cash.In.The.Most-3033668.shtml
Go read the article and the comments. The blog takes much information out of context and draws very dubious conclusions. The salary article also takes some very serious liberties with their comparisons. What doctors make in Canada in the public system doesn't reflect what they earn in private practice. Canada, like most of the first world has a public/private system providing a basic level of care within the public sector then allowing people to purchase insurance (which is very inexpensive) if they want to see physicians in the private sector.

You also missed the point that in addition to money the primary reason doctors are coming to the US from Canada is the specialist positions in Canada are all filled. From the article.
"Although there's a shortage in general practitioners in Canada, the CMA reports that most jobs for sub-specialists in Canada are unavailable, which can lead to relocating to the US."
The US also has a shortage of GP's and a glut of specialists. Canada is wisely trying to allocate their resources better.

ZippyDDoodah says

It’s rich to hear ellie complain about “attacks” when I was responding to a direct insult, especially when on this very thread she ‘attacks?’ me as “sadly misinformed”, “ill informed” and “short-sighted and socially irresponsible”.

It's your posts that lead me to that conclusion. The more you post, the harder it is to take you seriously.

When a patient presents with contact dermatitis, the first line of treatment is to do nothing beyond suggesting over-the-counter remedies except in extremely severe cases. Most patients (including Zippy) find it upsetting that they are not automatically given a shot of something, but 99.99% of the time dermatitis simply resolves spontaneously after a couple of days once the allergen is removed.

Except that it was explained to the 1st doctor that the rash had already persisted for several days and was getting worse. It was also explained to him that during that time, over the counter hydrocortisone and anti-itch creams were already tried and not working. His response was to speculate that it was chicken pox, even though I told him I had a bad case of chicken pox at age 5. The second Quack doctor was visited two days later when the rash continued to get worse. He was literally bewildered, pulling out a book to try and figure it out. This is not how "99%" of US doctors would have treated this same situation Nomo.

Interesting that when I explained the same thing to the medical intern at the doc-in-the-box in New York, he gave me a shot and solved it immediately.. without even having to pull out a medical book! You can't blame the exodus of better Canadian doctors to the US before Obamacare.

ZippyDDoodah says

It’s rich to hear ellie complain about “attacks” when I was responding to a direct insult, especially when on this very thread she ‘attacks?’ me as “sadly misinformed”, “ill informed” and “short-sighted and socially irresponsible”.

Are you saying ellie "I never insult anyone" mae actually does hurl insults? The next thing you'll say is she's a hypocrite. Shocking!

RayAmerica says

Are you saying ellie “I never insult anyone” mae actually does hurl insults? The next thing you’ll say is she’s a hypocrite. Shocking!

Jeez, rayray. Do you hate everyone who disagrees with you, or am I number one? Because you have to feel passionately about someone to focus on them so much, the way that you vie for my affection (or lack thereof). This schoolboy crush is kind of cute.