patrick.net

There is intrinsic value in other things besides labor. Resources such as food, land, and commodities also command markets. There are also less intrinsic, yet not less valuable items such as intellectual property and specialized items (art, collectibles, experiences)

For sale for $150,000.

This house was purchased by the current owner on 5/31/2006 for $366,500. He put $100,000 of upgrades into it and now expects to sell it for $465,000!!! You may think the bubble didn't affect the Northeast very much, but I'm finding bubble math real estate agents everywhere here. Everyone says now is a great time to buy, but please tell me why I should pay $465,000 for a home that was only worth $366,500 at the height of the bubble? Zillow has a zEstimate on this house of $358,500, and says it has lost $17,000 of value in the last 30 days.

I'm in Fairfield County as well (looking in the Norwalk area) and I'm seeing the same things. From what I can tell, the updates put into that property are cheap upgrades--there's no way it's worth that much. And, even in this area, Zillow overestimates the price on properties so in my opinion, that seller is dreaming.

how does zillow attain its #s?? just area CMA's?...or closings. between zillow and trulia ive often wondered if #s werent somewhat....odd.

I love to use this condo complex as comparison for central san francisco condo values versus rents. Rent 11th floor studio: $1595/mo. Own 10th floor studio condo: $390k + $430/mo HOA (same sq.ft both places, 520). Wow, condo prices need to go DOWN. Details: Rent for 11th floor corner condo, 520 sq.ft. (from craigslist): $1595/mo http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/1104090875.html Own 10th floor studio, 520 sq.t. (from sfarmls): $389,900 + 430/mo HOA. http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&PRGNAME=MLSPropertyDetail&ARGUMENTS=-N772077876,-N233569,-N,-A,-N17795405

What is the fee to be a RealtyTrac member. I am trying to buy a foreclosed property in Cupertino school district (Lawson + Monta Vista).

The fee is usually about $49 per month. However, last summer they ran a special, $49 bought you access for all 3 months of the summer.

O.K, the 1st guy that says; "______ isn't really part of the Bay Area anyway..." gets it right between the eyes! Just to preclude comments of that nature in the future. Or should we anticipate the obligatory "At least 'we're' no where's near as bad as ____!" And of course my patented response: Whatever dude.

To the person who wants to buy in the Cupertino School district - why do you want to make your kids (assuming that you are buying it for yourself and family) go through the mind stiffling competition that is bound to destroy their minds and make them book worms or even worse depressed. I have so many of my colleagues kids who are in a constant state of panic not being able to keep up with the Indian and Asian kids who go to the schools in that district. I do agree a good school district in general is a good thing for your kids - becoz. private schools are expensive ..but pls. pls. think twice about subjecting your kids to the kind of mindless competition which will only break their spirits.

There are very very few foreclosures in good school districts. So far the foreclosure wave hasn't touched the West side of the Bay. As far as schools are concerned every kid is different. The best thing is to put your kid in a school that fits him.

While I am not a fan of Cupertino school district, but I definitely do not want my kids to start off in an easy school and be left behind when it is time for him to apply for college. I probably will start my kids off the most competitive school I can find (private or public) which accelerates the hell out of their curriculum - and trust me, I went through this kind of drill as a student and came out not depressed nor unhappy, in fact I miss the school days a lot. Once in class, my teacher pointed to those "happy students" from other so-so schools and said, one day you are going to eat their lunch. The kids may be happy in a crappy school, but then he will more likely face a crappy life. Doing the drill for 20 years to get off easy for the rest of your life is a good deal. Once you get into the right college (in the right subject), right grad school, the rest will be so much easier than someone who didn't, unless he comes from the right family. But for those who of us who didn't win the womb lottery, schooling is probably the best way to attain a financially secured life. Nobody in my kids' generation will be able to goof off and enjoy middle class American lifestyle any more. They will have to fight competition not just from Chinese and Indian students in America, but the best, brightest and more driven students all over the world for the same piece of pie. Get ready.

Bank Failure Friday: 1, 2, 3, .... and counting

For those of us who can't afford the RealtyTrac subscription, Trulia pulls in the RealtyTrac foreclosure info. They display the street, but not the number. If you are savvy enough, you can use Zillow to find the street number by matching the square footage numbers ( and then PropertyShark to pull the loan information). Yes, I've done this... And for the unbelievers: MARINA IS STILL PRIME! Pull it up on Trulia if you don't believe me. (Well, full disclosure... Randy H. has a ForeclosureRadar subscription and claims there are a couple of foreclosures in the Marina neighborhood. See the latest thread on capitalsm2.org. The Trulia info may be slightly out of date...)

What is Marina's zip code?

There are even foreclosures in Atherton, Los Altos Hills, and actually plenty in Hillsborough, I do NOT believe that Marina has zero foreclosure.

The Federal Reserve took on more than $74 billion in subprime mortgages, depreciating commercial leases and other assets after Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc. collapsed. In its biggest disclosure of the securities accepted to stabilize capital markets, the Fed said yesterday it had unrealized losses of $9.6 billion on the assets as of Dec. 31. The bonds, swaps and notes were taken in from Bear Stearns, once the fifth-biggest Wall Street firm by capitalization, and AIG, which had been the world’s largest insurer. The losses on securities backed by assets such as home loans in Florida and California signal that U.S. taxpayers may be forced to reimburse the central bank through the Troubled Asset Relief Program, according to Christopher Whalen, managing director of Torrance, California-based Institutional Risk Analytics.

In rich towns, more kids She's traded her BMW for a Honda van, and entered a separate appointment schedule on her iPhone for each of her three children. Yet, still there are days when Kiran Khanna sits back and thinks: Wow, it would be great to have another child. Khanna laughed with recognition at the phrase — "Three is the new two" — a saying that echoes through many of Silicon Valley's most affluent communities. "Two," she said, "it almost feels like, from what my friends say, it's almost a little incomplete." While the population of young children is relatively flat throughout Santa Clara County, new census data shows a surge of young children in many of the valley's more affluent communities, including Palo Alto, Los Gatos, Cupertino and Los Altos. Experts point to fertility treatments and parents feeling financially comfortable, at least before the recession, raising more children as a few reasons for the increase. ............ ........... Chi Huang looked on as her 4-year-old daughter, Skylar, learned how to wait her turn. "Three is the new two," said Huang, of Palo Alto. She has two close friends about to give birth to their third child, but she considers herself "old school" because she only has two. Turning to her friend, Huang said, "I would have a third in a heartbeat." If only, she said, her husband would agree to it.

Khanna and her husband, Ramaneek, a software architect, had twins — Rani Sam, a girl; and Krishen, a boy — using in vitro fertilization in 2007. She grew up in California as an only child, and both she and her husband wanted a larger family, like the five or six children that were typical of their parents' and grandparents' generations in India.

What is Marina’s zip code? 94123. According to Wikipedia The area is bounded to the east by Van Ness Ave, on the west by Lyon Street and the Presidio, on the south by Lombard St. If you use Trulia, you can specify different neighborhoods within San Francisco.

American Journeys Searching for Silicon Valley http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/travel/escapes/17Amer.html?ref=technology WHILE on a bike ride in the hills behind Stanford University, I was helping a fellow cyclist fix a flat tire when a rental car full of lost Italian tourists pulled over. Clutching a map in his hands, the driver beseeched us, “Can you tell us where we can go to see Silicon Valley?” The cyclist, Tony Fadell, an Apple engineer who led the iPod and iPhone design teams, and I grinned at each other, but we had to sympathize with the driver’s plight. Perhaps more than any region, Silicon Valley has transformed the world in the last half century. Yet exploring — or even finding — this patchwork quilt of high-tech research and development centers, factories and California suburbia can be baffling. That’s because the valley is as much a state of mind as it is a physical place. Over the last four decades, the dream of being the next Jobs or Wozniak has captured the world’s imagination and turned the valley into a global crossroads. Nowhere is that more clear than on a visit to the Naz 8 Cinemas in Fremont, the manufacturing community southeast of San Francisco Bay. Billed as the first multicultural entertainment multiplex, it shows Bollywood movies from India as well as films from Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Taiwan, Korea and the Philippines on eight screens with 3,000 seats and 5,000 parking places.

Tony Fadell Current SVP, iPod Division at Past CEO and Founder at Fuse VP, Strategy and Ventures at Philips Electronics CTO and Senior Director, New Business, Philips Mobile Computing Group at Philips Electronics Lead SW/HW Engineer at General Magic Education University of Michigan

View from the Top - Shantanu Narayen, chief executive of Adobe By Chrystia Freeland and Paul Taylor Shantanu Narayen, aged 45, is modest about his personal accomplishments - which include holding five patents - but passionate about technology, Silicon Valley and Adobe, the $3.6bn-a-year desktop software pioneer he now leads as chief executive. Before joining Adobe in 1998, Mr Narayen, an electronics engineer from Hyderabad, India, who loves golf and his two sandy-coloured Labrador dogs, worked at Silicon Graphics and Apple, and co-founded Pictra, an early pioneer of digital photo-sharing over the internet. As Adobe's president and chief operating officer until he took over the chief executive's job in December 2007, he helped spearhead the $3.4bn acquisition of Macromedia, a deal that expanded Adobe's software portfolio and strengthened the company's presence in key markets ranging from enterprises and vertical industries to mobile devices and multimedia publishing.

Yahoo Real Estate also lists foreclosures by zip code, and has "featured houses by RealtyTrac". So I guess they pull in the numbers from them too. As mentioned above you get the street, stats, and sometimes a photo so you can do some legwork and fiture out the street address number. Marina is 94123. Yahoo shows 2 NODs, 1 foreclosure sale, and 1 REO. The REO is actually on Marina Blvd. and is shown at $2,187,000.

Actually San Joaquin and Stanislaus counties aren't part of the BA, and Marin/Sonoma/Solano counties are. Fortunately I have an "Idaho sized" collection of guns and ammo, sufficient to ward off the sissified attacks of any nanny-state Oregonians.

Efrain Rojas and Patrick.net is getting quoted on the Big Picture Blog today http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/read-it-here-first-what-good-are-economists/ Here is a link to to the original posting: http://patrick.net/housing/contrib/vegetables.html

These are the kinda things that happen to those kids who're pressure cooked in the elite high schools: http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/02.19.04/saratoga-0408.html http://cbs5.com/local/stanford.student.suicide.2.458868.html In the second story, Mr. Zhou was "angry" at the police because they didn't identify "the real killer". A poignant irony.

The foreclosure close to home For two years, this crisis has played out almost entirely in our distant suburbs and our poorest communities. Now, as we’re only beginning to discover, no neighborhood in the Bay Area is immune. Several great (back)stories to the foreclosed homes that are profiled. WHAT HAPPENED: The former owner, a single executive who is active in the philanthropic community, doesn’t want to talk about it. “It’s too painful,” she says—but not unusual, real estate agents claim. After buying the 15-year-old manor in 2005 for $1.6 million from owners who’d paid $710,000 just five years before, the executive bet the house that property values would continue to rise: She refinanced it at 120 percent of the purchase price—and she works in finance. “Even a year and a half ago, the Peninsula was insulated. Not any longer,” explains Athena Chilicas Saldanha, the real estate agent for Coldwell Banker who has been marketing the home since October.

Trulia has outdated information.

@Lollipop I truly agree. Anxiety is so prevalent in our society as it is . I am a nurse practitioner and a good percentage of my patients are on mood altering meds due to nonspecific fears, and depression, anorexia, etc Only certain fields of endeavor require mind numbing memorization, regurgitation, and competition. Medicine is one of them, however, I would say that many of the docs I work with, really regret their career choice. Their life can be hell. On the other hand, there are the entrepreneur types who seem to be able to flunk their way through school and become more successful than anyone with walls of degrees. If we continue going into an Economic Depression through deflation or hyperinflation - all the degrees in the world will not help if our economy collapses. Why torture our young if all the rules can change tomorrow. There needs to be some balance in their lives. Torturing them with excessive expectations with the excuse that it is for their own good is beyond mean. What I have seen in my friends' children is more that the parents ego is at stake. Parents can brag about their choice of schools and their children's grades. How pointless is that? Parents who do this, can expect to pay for Therapy, Drug Rehab, and Meds for emotional disturbances. I am old enough to have seen it with my friends. Kids need LOVE and Acceptance most of all. The rest should be secondary.

Today's Zero Hedge posting on the news page is sobering. I know someone in LA who had a paid off house, but in 2007 took out a $700K mortgage to fund the purchase - with minimal down payments - of five pieces of commercial real estate. I told him at the time that he was going to regret this action. In his greed and hubris he told me to shut up, that real estate always goes up, and that he was going to be "rich". Zillow now estimates his house is worth $630K so he's underwater on that, and I would presume the same with those five commercial properties. Commercial mortgages have extremely short terms of five or ten years, so possibly the piper will need paying in 2012.

Danville, Interesting comments about the medical profession -- what is the most common reason for regretting being an MD? What I have heard is that around Silicon Valley they are displeased for not automatically landing on top of the social (or should I say financial) hierarchy, but there must be more to it than that?

DennisN, Yeah, wondering how your old buddy was getting along? Over the weekend the wife and I took stock of all the personal impacts we've had to endure as a result of the HB and the list was staggering! From meddling in-laws trying to pawn off a failed flip on our daughter and SIL to our local bank cratering to being painted into a corner on a property we simply didn't want to buy. Those were just a few of the highlights. When you factor in all the people she no longer... works with and the smoking hole that was once a stock market, it's easier to calculate what aspect of your life *wasn't affected by this crime wave? Along with the oh-so-predictable embracing of a "return to the basics".

@Justme The docs I work with at a large HMO are squeezed tighter than I am because they don't belong to a Union. I work 10 hour days (get paid for 8) and they are there even longer. The pressure to produce numbers showing high productivity, high patient satisfaction, and high safety is overwhelming. At the moment, most of the old time docs are gone and we have a group of new young ones. Wonder how long before they burn out. I can only cope with this myself by working half time.

Danville, I see the picture. From the patient side, there is also lack of satisfaction and also concerns about quality and safety. One can hope that modernization an automation will help some, but I am not convinced. The basic problem is that we already spend more per capita than any other nation on healthcare, and we get less in return. In other words, SOMEBODY is making off with the money, and perhaps the wrong people. One of my observations as a patient is that I do not have a good understanding of how the system works internally at the medical offices and clinics. That is, I do not understand the internal motivations (financially and otherwise) for providing or not providing certain forms of care, and so on. Knowing more about this would be helpful. I suppose this is one form of transparency that we could need. It is similar with lawyers, I think. Unless you have spent 5 days a week inside a law office one would not understand how lawyers really operate.

justme: As with many oddities in our current situation, dig into your history. Before the '50s, very few people had health insurance, you went to the doctor, he did what he thought was right, you paid him and went home. End of story. Doctors had prestige, were leading people in their communities, made boodles, and most everybody was happy. We also had the best health care in the world. Enter taxes: Higher Incomes were being taxed at marginal rates that exceeded 70% (and for a while exceeded 90% in some cases). Companies found other ways to compensate their executives, one of them being paying for their health insurance. Loophole. Gradually extended to more of the base White-Collar folks, and also demanded by Unions, etc. Also at the same time, the other end of the spectrum was covered by Medicare/Medicaid by huge expansions in Johnson's Great Society spending spree. We were getting stories of Medicare/Medicaid denial of service and fraud throughout the '70s. Meanwhile, the prestige and remuneration of being a Doctor start going out the window, while prices sky-rocket. What happened? What do you think happens when you put a third party between the payer and the payee? The third party, be it Medicare, an insurance company, an HMO, whatever, starts to think it is *their* money, and so they are reluctant to pay out. The first thing a bureaucracy will say is "no!" And then there is a huge amount of money involved, centrally located, which invites fraud and corruption. And they take their tithe, which causes prices to go up. And then, since the proceedures, drugs, office visits, etc. are "covered", their prices can go up far beyond what the average person could actually pay out-of-pocket. A Medical Services Bubble that benefits no one but the Financial institutions and the Federal Government. Which is why this post is On-Topic for Patrick's housing bubble blog. Sounds awfully similar, no?

Trulia has outdated information. Unfortunately, they have the best interface. I really wanted to start throwing my mouse at the screen after wrestling with Yahoo!RealEstate. They do allow you to extract foreclosures and resales by neighborhood, which is feature that I want. But you have to scroll through several screens to get all the listings... ughhhh! Has anybody found something better for these types of searches?

MST, Respectfully, there are some aspects of the story that do not rhyme. 1. renumeration of being a Doctor start going out the window 2. HMO, whatever, starts to think it is *their* money, and so they are reluctant to pay out 3. prices can go up far beyond what the average person could actually pay out-of-pocket. 4. A Medical Services Bubble that benefits no one but the Financial institutions and the Federal Government. Items 1-2 cannot occur at the same time as 3, unless the insurance middleman takes a larger and larger cut. I doubt the insurance overhead is all that is growing. See http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml for some 2008 numbers. Item 4 does not make sense. How does the government benefit from paying out lots of Medicare/Medicaid? I think the real reason is more along the lines of aging population, status seeking MDs that all want to be specialists, and the appetite for expensive end-of-life procedures rather than preventive and steady maintenance.

On the back of my insurance card it says to call MedWatch to pre-certify. For member services call Allied. For PPO provider info call Private Healthcare Systems. For Rx info call MedCo. It usually takes 3 calls just to see if I can go to a certain doctor and about 10 calls for any type of billing issue. My only conclusion is that the executives of these 4 companies are just well dressed thieves stealing our healthcare dollars and in turn stuffing the pockets of politicians to keep the scam going…

justme, True, some of those issues no -longer- matter. MST was simply showing us 'how' we arrived 'where' we've arrived. As a kid growing up in the 60's and 70's my family didn't have Health Insurance. None. We weren't poor, it just wasn't all that common at the time. We had the good fortune to have been fairly healthy. For the life of me, I don't recall my parents complaining about medical bills, at all. That was for "old people". The other issue was that we really didn't have cafeteria plans where younger payers subsidize older users. With all that everyone's been through, a doctor's diminished sense of prestige is the least of our worries. As HC consumes an ever larger portion of our GDP year after year, at some point we have to ask ourselves if a few more years of life is worth it? IMHO.