0
0

The China Syndrome


 invite response                
2005 Jul 21, 1:19pm   8,395 views  74 comments

by HARM   ➕follow (0)   💰tip   ignore  

So China's decided to let their currency (RMB) appreciate 2% against the dollar. And they've decided to re-peg it to a "basket" of international currency (Euro, Yen, Peso, etc.), instead of strictly against the U.S. dollar. Hmmm... what to make of these developments?

Given that China's central banks hold approx. $500 billion in U.S. Treasuries and MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities), and --along with other asian neighbors who have large trade surpluses with us-- one would expect some impact on the U.S. mortgage market. Conventional wisdom holds that currency "diversification" basically translates as "fewer Yankee dollars". This would tend to throw cold water on demand for both the MBSs themselves (which directly reduces mortgage lending liquidity), and the 10-year Treasuries that fixed mortgage interest rates are tied to. This in turn means less credit for the mortgage market directly, and higher 10-year rates (which would be the Treasury market's logical response to a drop in demand).

On the other hand, you have the Renminbi's slight appreciation against the dollar, with the very possibility of more "adjustments" to come. This would seem to counteract the impact of the RMB's "basket" diversification on Treasury/MBS demand. After all, what is China likely to buy with that extra 2% (with more to come), but more Treasuries and MBSs? After all, they still have to find some way of spending/investing all those dollars they're getting from their most generous trading partner --Uncle Sam. Of course, if China allows its currency to appreciate more rapidly, this could put a damper on demand for Chinese goods by U.S. consumers, which in turn reduces the inflow of dollars (and China's appetite for dollar-denominated assets).

Does every action by the BoC have an equal and opposite reaction? Discuss...

HARM

#housing

« First        Comments 36 - 74 of 74        Search these comments

36   Zephyr   2005 Jul 21, 4:38pm  

I would rather be young than seasoned. But I can't change that.

37   HARM   2005 Jul 21, 4:44pm  

_nod_ to Zephyr.

Well, they've come up with negative-amortizing loan products. How about negative-aging health products?

38   Zephyr   2005 Jul 21, 4:52pm  

Ponce de Leon never found it. But many continue to try. Actually, relative to most of history we live in a great time as far as health and longevity are concerned.

39   Peter P   2005 Jul 21, 5:06pm  

I think health is a lot more important than longevity. It is sad to be sick towards the later part of life.

40   Zephyr   2005 Jul 21, 5:11pm  

Indeed.

Time for this night owl to get some sleep.

41   SQT15   2005 Jul 21, 5:12pm  

In an odd way this discussion on health and well being ties into the RE bubble. (Ok, I'm stretching big time) But we've talked about how the housing market is responding to greed and the desire for more, bigger, better etc. We may have access to better health care and live longer. But look at the obesity rates in this country and the resultant heart disease and diabetes. Over consumption is doing us in on so many levels.

42   HARM   2005 Jul 21, 5:16pm  

"Age does not matter if the matter does not age. "
--Carlos Pena Romulo

43   HARM   2005 Jul 21, 5:20pm  

We may have access to better health care and live longer. But look at the obesity rates in this country and the resultant heart disease and diabetes. Over consumption is doing us in on so many levels.

SactoQt, I completely agree, but don't get me started on what could be a huge digression. The abysmal ROI for our sick-care spending is one of my top pet peeves.

44   HARM   2005 Jul 21, 5:22pm  

Think it's time for me to turn in, too --g'nite.

45   Peter P   2005 Jul 21, 5:34pm  

We may have access to better health care and live longer. But look at the obesity rates in this country and the resultant heart disease and diabetes. Over consumption is doing us in on so many levels.

We may be having more stuff on paper but I doubt that life is better. Stress in modern life is going to be another cause of illness. (People did not have to worry about RE bubbles, right? ;) )

46   Peter P   2005 Jul 21, 5:39pm  

Where is Jack?

47   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 12:20am  

will there be daily interviews with the Chinese finance minister?
will the media hang on to every utterance of the BOC spokespeople?

Chinese Greenspeak? Or should I say "Redspeak"?

48   praetorian   2005 Jul 22, 12:43am  

If only there were some way to look at rent trends in the bay area...

http://patrick.net/

Cheers,
prat

49   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 3:02am  

If only there were some way to look at rent trends in the bay area…
http://patrick.net/

Looks like BA rents are trending lower after months of basically holding steady --and this during prime renting/moving season. If landlords are having trouble raising rents now, can't wait to see it in fall-winter.

50   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 3:45am  

Check out the following thread on Ben Jones' site:
tinyurl.com/ccrpg

Relisted Homes Makes Market Less Clear

This Boston site reports on relistings in that city. "To remove the stigma attached to a house that won't sell and make a fresh appeal to home buyers, some real estate agents reset the clock on the number of days a property has been listed, a practice critics liken to resetting the odometer on a used car."

"The number of canceled listings in Massachusetts has nearly tripled since 2001, a sign that one of the hottest real estate markets in the country is beginning to cool down, said real estate specialists. It 'tells you is the market is softening. Demand is declining,' said Karl Case, professor of economics at Wellesley College."

"The practice of canceling and relisting a property makes it difficult for analysts and economist to gauge the strength of the real estate market. 'I rely on that data,' Case said. 'I'd prefer they not do it.'"

"Michelle Ferranti is 'shocked' that neighbor Christopher Daleo's house on Arbor Lane in Woburn has not sold. It has been on the market since March 8. Yet, on July 9, it appeared as a new property on MLS, said Daleo's agent, Pam Dooley. She had canceled it July 8 and renewed it the next day, erasing in several keystrokes information that might cause house hunters to wonder why the house wasn't selling."

51   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 3:53am  

"Class action lawsuit against Pulte seeks more than $10 million in damages"
Las Vegas flippers seek te recoup losses from builder:
tinyurl.com/9k66j

*Sob* Those poor flippers! While they're at it, maybe they can sue their parents for their own stupidity.

52   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 3:58am  

Perhaps we should all buy houses, wait for the drop, and then sue the seller for damages.

53   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 4:35am  

Perhaps we should all buy houses, wait for the drop, and then sue the seller for damages.

Is that "PeterPrime" talking or the "real" Peter P? ;-)

54   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 4:40am  

FYI–Some Realators and sellers in the BA are now requiring prospective buyers to sign a waiver prohibiting them from suing if (when) the value of the property goes down. Too bad for the lawyers

I read about that earlier. ;)

(And the disclaimer about school district, right?)

It is unprecedented. If a restaurant have me sign a waiver before serving me food, I would probably walk out.

55   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 4:42am  

FYI–Some Realators and sellers in the BA are now requiring prospective buyers to sign a waiver prohibiting them from suing if (when) the value of the property goes down.

Oh, don't worry, Yuan --a little thing like a waiver won't stop Californians from finding a way to sue people for their own greed and stupidity. If there's a will (and a nice, fat contingency), there's always a way...

56   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 4:48am  

...is it possible that Chinese Central bank will be forced to buy more US fixed-income assets in short-term? Even if they reduce their dollar-holdings on a percentage basis, an increase in total dollar inflow would leave them in the same position as before.

Dipanjan --good question. Not having ever (directly) invested in Chinese securities, I can't answer that. Given that China still has a very restricted/state-controlled market and strictly controls which assets & how much foreigners can invest, I'm not sure this will have a big macro-impact. Anyone have more info...?

57   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 7:01am  

They shut me down on the other blog...

Don't worry, hymie, we have a sense of humor here --as long as it's actually funny and not abusive to anyone but flippers ;-) .

58   SQT15   2005 Jul 22, 7:12am  

Beaver says RE in Vegas is a damn rip off.

59   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:20am  

Beaver crushed by falling condo tree

60   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:25am  

Jack, can you give me the name of that B&B?

Re: trolls...

A comment is worth deleting if it annoys both you and me. ;)

61   SQT15   2005 Jul 22, 7:26am  

Beaver seeks protection from falling assets

62   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:26am  

Whats a condo tree?

A condo tree is like a house price brick (on The Economist) but it is a tree. :)

63   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 7:36am  

I forgot one other category: wasting space with completely immature, pointless non-sequiturs --in the case of "booger".

64   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:41am  

You guys are pretty bad. Now I get the jokes...

65   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:50am  

I did not get the possibly "sexist" or "offensive" part.

66   HARM   2005 Jul 22, 7:51am  

"Price Goes Down on Exposed Beaver --Causes Nasty Case of Buyer's Remorse"

67   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 7:59am  

Oh my god! I have to re-read everything 10 times before I know what you guys are talking about.

68   SQT15   2005 Jul 22, 8:02am  

Too funny too funny. Totally not offended. (had to log off for a bit, that's why I didn't answer sooner)

69   gabby   2005 Jul 22, 8:07am  

Ok so is it evil twin time yet?

70   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 8:10am  

I have created the "Evil twin game" thread. Let's have fun.

71   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 8:13am  

"How does one in the middle play evil twin?"

It will be another middle.

72   Peter P   2005 Jul 22, 6:22pm  

The yuan revaluation amounts to a massive transfer of wealth

I am increasing convinced that we live in a zero sum society. Economic activities are now a struggle between classes of people. Unless we focus on innovation and production, the future will not be a great one.

73   Peter P   2005 Jul 23, 4:14am  

Randy,I also believe that RMB will not appreciate much. I even see this recent move as a way to weaken RMB further. They have have more (secret) variables to manipulate.

On the other hand, the US economy, unlike that of Chine, is becoming more or less zero-sum.

74   Peter P   2005 Jul 23, 10:02am  

India is another Country with great potential. I think it will too rise as a great economic power. (Both China and India were great powers centuries ago.)

« First        Comments 36 - 74 of 74        Search these comments

Please register to comment:

api   best comments   contact   latest images   memes   one year ago   random   suggestions   gaiste