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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:31am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:31am
I base this on the fact that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths. Sociopaths may congregate in certain groups(government, other extremist organizations), but they are still the minority, by far!
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 11:14am
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 11:14am
NuttBoxer says
I disagree with you there.
Judaism does require the slaughter of the original inhabitants of Israel. You can read it for yourself in the Old Testament.
And Islam does require slaughter of everyone on earth who refuses to convert or pay the jizya. You can read it for yourself in the Koran and Hadith.
I do agree with you that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths, but the author of the Koran was absolutely a sociopath. The Koran is mostly a resentful screed against non-Muslims.
More accurately I'm saying no true religion is violent at it's core.
I disagree with you there.
Judaism does require the slaughter of the original inhabitants of Israel. You can read it for yourself in the Old Testament.
And Islam does require slaughter of everyone on earth who refuses to convert or pay the jizya. You can read it for yourself in the Koran and Hadith.
I do agree with you that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths, but the author of the Koran was absolutely a sociopath. The Koran is mostly a resentful screed against non-Muslims.
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komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 8:04pm
komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 8:04pm
For all the fear mongering about Islam terrorism, what terror attacks have occurred in the usa in the last 20 yrs?
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:36pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:36pm
@komputodo
2013 Boston Marathon bombing – Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon in Massachusetts.
2014 Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a civilian.
2015 Two gunmen attacked the Curtis Culwell Center during a 'Draw Muhammad' cartoon art exhibit in Garland, Texas. 2 dead (perpetrators) 1 injured.
2015 A civilian opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing 5 military personnel.
2015 In the 2015 San Bernardino attack, married couple Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others in a killing spree that the FBI was investigating as "act of terrorism".
2016 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL by specifically calling police and journalists several times during the incident.
2016 New York and New Jersey bombings - three bombs exploded and several unexploded ones were found in the New York metropolitan area. The bombings left 31 people wounded, but no fatalities or life-threatening injuries were reported. Subsequently, the perpetrator has been charged with attempting to radicalized fellow jail inmates to espouse violent Islamic jihadism beliefs.
2016 Ohio State University attack, 11 people were hospitalized for injuries after a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at Ohio State University. The perpetrator, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was a Muslim Somali refugee and legal permanent resident of the United States.
2017 New York City truck attack – A man drove a pickup truck into cyclists and runners along about 1 mile (2 km) of a bicycle path in Lower Manhattan, New York City. After he left the vehicle, the driver was wielding two guns (later found to be a paintball gun and a pellet gun); he was shot in the abdomen by police and arrested. An ISIS flag and a document that read either "It will endure." or "Islamic State will endure forever." in Arabic were found in the truck.
2022 The Satanic Verses author Salman Rushie was stabbed following a 1989 fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeini, condemning him for the book's allegorical presentation of the possible validity of the so-called Satanic Verses content of the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
The list is very incomplete though. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ seems to have many more, usually several a day somewhere on earth.
2013 Boston Marathon bombing – Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon in Massachusetts.
2014 Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a civilian.
2015 Two gunmen attacked the Curtis Culwell Center during a 'Draw Muhammad' cartoon art exhibit in Garland, Texas. 2 dead (perpetrators) 1 injured.
2015 A civilian opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing 5 military personnel.
2015 In the 2015 San Bernardino attack, married couple Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others in a killing spree that the FBI was investigating as "act of terrorism".
2016 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL by specifically calling police and journalists several times during the incident.
2016 New York and New Jersey bombings - three bombs exploded and several unexploded ones were found in the New York metropolitan area. The bombings left 31 people wounded, but no fatalities or life-threatening injuries were reported. Subsequently, the perpetrator has been charged with attempting to radicalized fellow jail inmates to espouse violent Islamic jihadism beliefs.
2016 Ohio State University attack, 11 people were hospitalized for injuries after a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at Ohio State University. The perpetrator, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was a Muslim Somali refugee and legal permanent resident of the United States.
2017 New York City truck attack – A man drove a pickup truck into cyclists and runners along about 1 mile (2 km) of a bicycle path in Lower Manhattan, New York City. After he left the vehicle, the driver was wielding two guns (later found to be a paintball gun and a pellet gun); he was shot in the abdomen by police and arrested. An ISIS flag and a document that read either "It will endure." or "Islamic State will endure forever." in Arabic were found in the truck.
2022 The Satanic Verses author Salman Rushie was stabbed following a 1989 fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeini, condemning him for the book's allegorical presentation of the possible validity of the so-called Satanic Verses content of the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people. On an average, during this period, an Islamist attack has resulted in the death of around 4.4 persons.
The list is very incomplete though. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ seems to have many more, usually several a day somewhere on earth.
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komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 9:04pm
komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 9:04pm
if you total up that list it would probably be less than a month in the blue cities on the usa and nobody in power seems to be concerned about that. But just use the name islamic terrorists and now "lets spend billions to combat them". Bomb their countries, kill thousands of innocents. Its all good.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 9:35pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 9:35pm
True, urban black violence is a far greater immediate threat to Americans, especially to other blacks.
But long term, Islam threatens to impose total domination and the extinguishment of all freedom. Once any country turns Islamic, it is extremely difficult to get out of that. There was the Reconquista of Spain. Israel also exists on formerly Islamic land. Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
But long term, Islam threatens to impose total domination and the extinguishment of all freedom. Once any country turns Islamic, it is extremely difficult to get out of that. There was the Reconquista of Spain. Israel also exists on formerly Islamic land. Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:05pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:05pm
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
- Winston Churchill in The River War
- Winston Churchill in The River War
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:13pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:13pm
The basis of the obligation of jihad is the universality of the Muslim revelation. God’s words and God’s message is for all mankind; it is the duty of those who have accepted them to strive (jihada) unceasingly to convert or at least subjugate those who have not. This obligation is without limit of time or space. It must continue until the whole world has either accepted the Islamic faith or submitted to the power of the Islamic state. -- Islamic Jihad, A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery by M. A. Khan, p. 53 (search for free pdf download available on internet)
https://archive.org/details/islamic-jihad-a-legacy-of-forced-conversion-imperialism-and-slavery-m.-a.-khan_202008
https://archive.org/details/islamic-jihad-a-legacy-of-forced-conversion-imperialism-and-slavery-m.-a.-khan_202008
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:15pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:15pm
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. It has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. - Dr. Peter Hammond
Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. It has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. - Dr. Peter Hammond
Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
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HeadSet
2023 Oct 28, 5:45am
HeadSet
2023 Oct 28, 5:45am
Patrick says
Turkey went secular after WWI. The main religion in Turkey is Muslin, but nothing forced. When was in Anatolia in the 90s, I noticed no mass call to prayers, women working and living independently and in western dress, even topless beaches.
Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
Turkey went secular after WWI. The main religion in Turkey is Muslin, but nothing forced. When was in Anatolia in the 90s, I noticed no mass call to prayers, women working and living independently and in western dress, even topless beaches.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 28, 10:01am
Patrick
2023 Oct 28, 10:01am
I travelled in Turkey myself in 1988 and was surprised that they had alcohol and even bars.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
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socal2
2023 Oct 28, 10:06am
Patrick says
Much of the Muslim/Arab world has become more radical and Islamist in the past 30 years. Look at pictures of women in bikinis from the 1970's in Iran (even Afghanistan).
This is why Islam is such a retrograde force and threat to humanity. They are getting worse.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
Much of the Muslim/Arab world has become more radical and Islamist in the past 30 years. Look at pictures of women in bikinis from the 1970's in Iran (even Afghanistan).
This is why Islam is such a retrograde force and threat to humanity. They are getting worse.
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AD
2023 Oct 28, 10:41am
AD
2023 Oct 28, 10:41am
gabbar says
Advanced forward from 2007 and now there is Kosovo which 95% of Kosovo is Muslim ... also about 6.5% of Philippines is Muslim
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Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
Advanced forward from 2007 and now there is Kosovo which 95% of Kosovo is Muslim ... also about 6.5% of Philippines is Muslim
.
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gabbar
2023 Oct 28, 12:15pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 28, 12:15pm
Here is the perspective of every Muslim on the Israel Palestine matter. While this relates to Britain, one can take it for granted that these sermons are getting repeated in every....every mosque in our country. Now, if you are a Jew, you should be concerned about these goat boys
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gabbar
2023 Oct 28, 12:19pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 28, 12:19pm
Waitup says
Blame it on others (specially the victims) is a standard Mohammedan play card.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3463094993955625?s=yWDuG2&fs=e&mibextid=Nif5oz
Blame it on others (specially the victims) is a standard Mohammedan play card.
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Bd6r
2023 Oct 28, 5:50pm
Bd6r
2023 Oct 28, 5:50pm
NuttBoxer says
I have TX flags inside and outside of my house, but I don’t want to put it up here. For some reason it would feel like desecration, no offense to other Patnetters. Besides trolling under TX flag does not seem right
If there's a dichotomy here I can get behind, it's pro-war vs anti-war. That's real, and definitely worth examining.
Do we have a single person on this site with a US flag(any US flag, or even State flag) on their profile? What does that say about gabber, and the rest of us...
I have TX flags inside and outside of my house, but I don’t want to put it up here. For some reason it would feel like desecration, no offense to other Patnetters. Besides trolling under TX flag does not seem right
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gabbar
2023 Oct 29, 12:14am
gabbar
2023 Oct 29, 12:14am
Patrick says
This is the directive that all slaves of Allah, irrespective of where they live or their university degrees, believe in. I have Muslim friends and they take this shit seriously.
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1717876030168318206
This is the directive that all slaves of Allah, irrespective of where they live or their university degrees, believe in. I have Muslim friends and they take this shit seriously.
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AD
2023 Oct 29, 12:22am
AD
2023 Oct 29, 12:22am
gabbar says
That is why the Jews do not want a 1 state solution. If they did have a 1 state solution, the Arab Muslims will kill off first the Ashkenazi Jews. They will kill off any resistance from Sephardi Jews. Then they will force into conversion the remaining Sephardi Jews to Islam as per jihad.
Jihad has been ongoing since around 800 AD as far as forced conversion to Islam.
Sounds like its a more violent and fanatical cult version of Scientology.
If there was no Islam, then would the Arab Muslims such as in Gaza be members of the Jewish faith ?
I always wondered what would happen if Islam never proliferated starting around 800 AD.
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This is the directive that all slaves of Allah, irrespective of where they live or their university degrees, believe in. I have Muslim friends and they take this shit seriously.
That is why the Jews do not want a 1 state solution. If they did have a 1 state solution, the Arab Muslims will kill off first the Ashkenazi Jews. They will kill off any resistance from Sephardi Jews. Then they will force into conversion the remaining Sephardi Jews to Islam as per jihad.
Jihad has been ongoing since around 800 AD as far as forced conversion to Islam.
Sounds like its a more violent and fanatical cult version of Scientology.
If there was no Islam, then would the Arab Muslims such as in Gaza be members of the Jewish faith ?
I always wondered what would happen if Islam never proliferated starting around 800 AD.
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gabbar
2023 Oct 29, 1:18am
gabbar
2023 Oct 29, 1:18am
People have been consuming camel piss on the Arabian Peninsula for a long, long time. It’s been used by the Bedouin people as a shampoo and medicine for centuries, and it’s part of Muslim tradition as well; the Prophet Mohammed is said to have once told some of his sick followers to drink camel milk and pee “till their bodies became healthy. https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7gvn/drinking-camel-urine-in-yemen-fob-000300-v20n8
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The_Deplorable
2023 Oct 29, 11:59am
This is a stoning to death right? Why are they stoning this person?
gabbar says
gabbar says
"New meaning to a stone's throw. Allah ho akbar"
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 3:16pm
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 3:16pm
Video footage apparently from the scene shows an angry crowd running in the airport in Makhachkala, shouting antisemitic slogans.
Some of the crowd run onto the runway and surround aircraft there.
Rosaviatsia added that the airport would be "provisionally closed" until 6 November.
Local media reported that some demonstrators were stopping cars outside Makhachkala's airport to check the ID papers of drivers and passengers as they searched for Israeli citizens.
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Bd6r
2023 Oct 29, 5:33pm
Bd6r
2023 Oct 29, 5:33pm
Don’t you forget that Nazis are in Ukraine!!!
RWSGFY says
RWSGFY says
Video footage apparently from the scene shows an angry crowd running in the airport in Makhachkala, shouting antisemitic slogans.
Some of the crowd run onto the runway and surround aircraft there.
Rosaviatsia added that the airport would be "provisionally closed" until 6 November.
Local media reported that some demonstrators were stopping cars outside Makhachkala's airport to check the ID papers of drivers and passengers as they searched for Israeli citizens.
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Bd6r
2023 Oct 29, 5:48pm
Bd6r
2023 Oct 29, 5:48pm
Looks like full scale anti Jewish pogroms in Russian Islamic republics:
https://nitter.cz/wartranslated/status/1718685450439647263#m
Legacy media has interesting descriptions of what is happening:
https://nitter.cz/AGHamilton29/status/1718729619057107423#m
https://nitter.cz/wartranslated/status/1718685450439647263#m
Legacy media has interesting descriptions of what is happening:
https://nitter.cz/AGHamilton29/status/1718729619057107423#m
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Blue
2023 Oct 29, 6:13pm
The_Deplorable says
Following their customs, look at https://patrick.net/post/511/2007-09-11-islam-and-violence?start=2089#comment-2001853
This is a stoning to death right? Why are they stoning this person?
Following their customs, look at https://patrick.net/post/511/2007-09-11-islam-and-violence?start=2089#comment-2001853
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 6:50pm
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 6:50pm
In the past day, local people have besieged a hotel in search of Jewish guests and stormed the airport after reports emerged that a flight from Tel Aviv was arriving in the city. Passengers were forced to take refuge in planes or hide in the airport for fear of being attacked. Local health authorities said that 20 people had been injured, including two who were critical, without giving further details.
Video posted to social media showed hundreds of young men, some carrying Palestinian flags or placards denouncing Israel, storming on to the tarmac of the Makhachkala international airport and climbing on to idling planes, attempting to break through the windows.
Airline employees were shown hustling passengers back inside planes as the crowds approached the aircraft. Russia closed Makhachkala airport on Sunday evening due to “intruders” at the airport.
“This is your captain,” one announcement said. “There’s an angry mob outside that doesn’t know where we’ve come from and why [we are here]. It’s possible we’ll also come under attack.”
The riots appear to have been inspired by a number of posts on the social media platform Telegram, where followers were told that a flight from Tel Aviv would be arriving that evening with refugees from Israel.
Some of the signs held by the rioters read, “We are against Jewish refugees”. Police stood by as hundreds of protesters surged into the airport’s main terminal, entering restricted areas and demanding that customs officials direct them toward the arriving passengers.
Followers of Utro Dagestan, one of the Telegram accounts that regularly carries news mixed with conspiracy theories, were told to besiege the local airport, interrogate arriving passengers and demand that they denounce the Israeli government.
The account also called on local people to follow any arriving Israelis, take pictures of their vehicles and write down the addresses where they were staying.
Other video from the airport showed people accosting airline passengers, including those who appeared to have just arrived on the flight from Israel. They said they were also locals who had travelled abroad for medical help.
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 7:39pm
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 7:39pm
A mob looking for Joos in hotels and airports is a pretty Nazi thing...
Now we know how a real Nazi country looks like.
Now we know how a real Nazi country looks like.
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 7:51pm
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 29, 7:51pm
Patrick says
Doesn't make it any less Nazi. What they do is basically Kristallnacht re-enactment.
It's an Islamic mob.
Doesn't make it any less Nazi. What they do is basically Kristallnacht re-enactment.
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gabbar
2023 Oct 30, 12:41am
gabbar
2023 Oct 30, 12:41am
Posted by Naftali Bennett, PM of Israel on X. What applies to Jews applies to non-Muslims (the najis, the dirty and impure non-Muslims) too.
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Reality
2023 Oct 30, 6:35am
RWSGFY says
Not at all. Kristallnacht was encouraged by the government against the country's minority population, with government ordering police to stand-down, in order to achieve the political and economic goal of driving out German middle-class (Jews) to emigrate (to Palestine, i.e. in concordance with Zionists); the closest in recent affairs was the BLM riots, with government officials not only ordering police to stand-down but also knee to advocates of criminal riots. The October 7th attack, with its stand-down orders, and similarly 9-11 and Pearl Harbor, are rather similar to Krystallnacht and Reichstag Fire. Yes, there are Nazis in high offices.
As for what happened in Makhachkala airport, clearly the riot was not encouraged by the Russian government, which sent security forces to intervene and stop the rioting very quickly. It's not clear whether the riot was instigated by western intelligence (which has strong ties to Muslims in the Caucasus) or simply spontaneous actions by locals after seeing what happened to Ukraine, and didn't want the return of Khazarian Empire to the area (heck, even Jews in the middle-east in the early 20th century would have opposed Zionism if they knew what was going to happen to themselves after mass immigration of European Jews to the middle-east under Zionism). Likely a combination of both. After all, Putin is at least partly Jewish (his birth mother was Jewish, so biologically at least 50% Jewish, and by Jewish tradition 100% Jewish), whipping up anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia is another way of trying to overthrow Putin and harvest whatever is in his accounts and those of his cronies, just like whipping up anti-Jewish sentiment worldwide is a way of trying to harvest the bank accounts of Israelis by eventually killing them all (after jabbing them all haven't killed enough fast enough).
Patrick says
It's an Islamic mob.
Doesn't make it any less Nazi. What they do is basically Kristallnacht re-enactment.
Not at all. Kristallnacht was encouraged by the government against the country's minority population, with government ordering police to stand-down, in order to achieve the political and economic goal of driving out German middle-class (Jews) to emigrate (to Palestine, i.e. in concordance with Zionists); the closest in recent affairs was the BLM riots, with government officials not only ordering police to stand-down but also knee to advocates of criminal riots. The October 7th attack, with its stand-down orders, and similarly 9-11 and Pearl Harbor, are rather similar to Krystallnacht and Reichstag Fire. Yes, there are Nazis in high offices.
As for what happened in Makhachkala airport, clearly the riot was not encouraged by the Russian government, which sent security forces to intervene and stop the rioting very quickly. It's not clear whether the riot was instigated by western intelligence (which has strong ties to Muslims in the Caucasus) or simply spontaneous actions by locals after seeing what happened to Ukraine, and didn't want the return of Khazarian Empire to the area (heck, even Jews in the middle-east in the early 20th century would have opposed Zionism if they knew what was going to happen to themselves after mass immigration of European Jews to the middle-east under Zionism). Likely a combination of both. After all, Putin is at least partly Jewish (his birth mother was Jewish, so biologically at least 50% Jewish, and by Jewish tradition 100% Jewish), whipping up anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia is another way of trying to overthrow Putin and harvest whatever is in his accounts and those of his cronies, just like whipping up anti-Jewish sentiment worldwide is a way of trying to harvest the bank accounts of Israelis by eventually killing them all (after jabbing them all haven't killed enough fast enough).
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RWSGFY
2023 Oct 30, 7:47am
RWSGFY
2023 Oct 30, 7:47am
Please: the government there quashes every attempt of opposition to demonstrate for any cause but somehow powerless to stop pogroms going for the 3rd day already? This IS government-endorsed AF. This is the same government who smiles and shakes hands with Hamas delegation as the Kristalnacht is going on.
Stop being a Nazi apologist.
Stop being a Nazi apologist.
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Reality
2023 Oct 30, 8:13am
RWSGFY says
What "3rd day" are you talking about? What pogrom are you talking about? The riot at the airport started on Sunday night (local time), and the airport resumed operation by 2pm the next day. The riot lasted only a few hours. There aren't enough Jews living in Dagestan to form a middle-class or any class to be targeted for pogrom; that's why any anti-Jewish sentiment had to be vented towards a plane allegedly landing from Israel. The riot seemed to be quite small, involving only a few hundred people rushing the plane, and only 20+ people were injured, (almost) all of whom were rioters and police.
As for being a Nazi apologist, you are a Nazi apologist for promoting Ukrainian Nazis and for promoting the agenda of Nazis in western government offices who engineered both the October 7th attack against Israeli civilians and likely this airport riot in the northern Caucasus, part of the old Khazarian homeland (same as much of Ukraine), in a plan to relocate survivors of the coming new Holocaust in Israel/Palestine to Khazaria. That's why Blackstone has been buying up land and infrastructure in Ukraine.
Please: the government there quashes every attempt of opposition to demonstrate for any cause but somehow powerless to stop pogroms going for the 3rd day already? This IS government-endorsed AF. This is the same government who smiles and shakes hands with Hamas delegation as the Kristalnacht is going on.
Stop being a Nazi apologist.
What "3rd day" are you talking about? What pogrom are you talking about? The riot at the airport started on Sunday night (local time), and the airport resumed operation by 2pm the next day. The riot lasted only a few hours. There aren't enough Jews living in Dagestan to form a middle-class or any class to be targeted for pogrom; that's why any anti-Jewish sentiment had to be vented towards a plane allegedly landing from Israel. The riot seemed to be quite small, involving only a few hundred people rushing the plane, and only 20+ people were injured, (almost) all of whom were rioters and police.
As for being a Nazi apologist, you are a Nazi apologist for promoting Ukrainian Nazis and for promoting the agenda of Nazis in western government offices who engineered both the October 7th attack against Israeli civilians and likely this airport riot in the northern Caucasus, part of the old Khazarian homeland (same as much of Ukraine), in a plan to relocate survivors of the coming new Holocaust in Israel/Palestine to Khazaria. That's why Blackstone has been buying up land and infrastructure in Ukraine.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 30, 8:18am
Patrick
2023 Oct 30, 8:18am
https://twitter.com/JoelWBerry/status/1718965723022655653
@JoelWBerry
Something never talked about: the 1,500,000 white Europeans taken into slavery by the Muslims after 1750
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 30, 8:52am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 30, 8:52am
komputodo says
I would expand this to ever. And then I would start with the Boston Massacre by the British, Sherman's genocide of the South, up to the 9/11 controlled demolition of the Twin Towers by the US government, and the Scamdemic.
There have been plenty of terrorist acts in America, they've just all been committed by governments.
For all the fear mongering about Islam terrorism, what terror attacks have occurred in the usa in the last 20 yrs?
I would expand this to ever. And then I would start with the Boston Massacre by the British, Sherman's genocide of the South, up to the 9/11 controlled demolition of the Twin Towers by the US government, and the Scamdemic.
There have been plenty of terrorist acts in America, they've just all been committed by governments.
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A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins
Dear friends,
The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!
What most Muslims will say:
Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.
What knowledgeable Muslims should say:
That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.
What the Qur'an Teaches Us:
We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).
The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.
Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.
Arabic translation الترجمة العربية
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