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gabbar
2024 Jan 31, 5:27am
gabbar
2024 Jan 31, 5:27am
richwicks says
Insha Allah, your prophecy will come true, soon.
The US killed 800,000 Iraqis. Israel has killed around 30,000 Palestinians, and I bet that number goes to over 100,000 before that's done.
Insha Allah, your prophecy will come true, soon.
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Blue
2024 Jan 31, 6:46am
richwicks says
If this was true, they must have breed more than double by now!
The US killed 800,000 Iraqis. Israel has killed around 30,000 Palestinians,
If this was true, they must have breed more than double by now!
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Jan 31, 7:05am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Jan 31, 7:05am
Thank you for illustrating my point about people who have these opinions..
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Patrick
2024 Jan 31, 8:23am
Patrick
2024 Jan 31, 8:23am
It's not slander if it's true though. Palestinians do have an exceptionally high birth rate.
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Patrick
2024 Jan 31, 8:30am
Patrick
2024 Jan 31, 8:30am
richwicks says
Among religions, Islam is orders of magnitude more violent than any other. It's not even close.
Dude, everybody murders everybody else.
Among religions, Islam is orders of magnitude more violent than any other. It's not even close.
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Patrick
2024 Feb 4, 7:28pm
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/04/paris-train-station-attack-african-suspect-declared-i-hate-the-french-prior-to-stabbing-spree/
Patrick
2024 Feb 4, 7:28pm
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/04/paris-train-station-attack-african-suspect-declared-i-hate-the-french-prior-to-stabbing-spree/
While police have claimed that there is “no sign of religiosity” as a motivating factor of the train station attack, Kassogue reportedly previously invoked Islam, saying according to Le Parisien: “RIP in three months, may Allah welcome me to his paradise”.
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gabbar
2024 Feb 11, 3:19pm
gabbar
2024 Feb 11, 3:19pm
An official Chinese Communist Party recording recently obtained by RFA’s Uyghur Service characterizes Uyghurs who have been sent for political “re-education” as “infected by an ideological illness”—not unlike a disease that must be treated at a hospital. The 12-minute Uyghur language audio recording issued in October 2017 offers a rare glimpse into Beijing’s justification for its network of political “re-education camps” used since April 2017 to jail or detain Uyghurs accused of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). The XUAR’s Party Youth League recording, entitled ‘What Kind of Place is the Educational Transformation Center,’ was published Oct. 11, 2017 on the WeChat social media network by Talap/Tagdim [Request/Offer] Salon and addressed to Uyghur youth as part of a bid to assuage concerns over the camps, which credible reports suggest have held upwards of 1.1 million people, or 10-11 percent of the adult Muslim population of the XUAR. Aside from a brief mention in a recent article carried by state media, China's central government authorities have not publicly acknowledged the existence of the camps, and the number of inmates kept in each facility remains a closely guarded secret. The following are excerpts from the recording:
In recent times, amid a growing heavy crackdown, a small number of people—particularly young people—have gone to re-education camps to study. However, their parents, friends and relatives, and the general public don’t understand the benefits of re-education, and as a result they are worried and fearful. So let us give answers to their questions and their concerns today.
Members of the public who have been chosen for re-education have been infected by an ideological illness. They have been infected with religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology, and therefore they must seek treatment from a hospital as an inpatient. In recent years, there have been violent incidents occurring in Xinjiang, one after another, instigated by the “three evil forces [of “terrorism,” “religious extremism,” and “separatism”], which has threatened the safety of people from all ethnic communities and caused serious damage and losses. These terrorists have one thing in common: they were infected by religious extremism and a violent terrorism disease.
The religious extremist ideology is a type of poisonous medicine which confuses the mind of the people. Once they are poisoned by it, some turn into extremists who no longer value even their own lives … If we do not eradicate religious extremism at its roots, the violent terrorist incidents will grow and spread all over like an incurable malignant tumor.
Although a certain number of people who have been indoctrinated with extremist ideology have not committed any crimes, they are already infected by the disease. There is always a risk that the illness will manifest itself at any moment, which would cause serious harm to the public. That is why they must be admitted to a re-education hospital in time to treat and cleanse the virus from their brain and restore their normal mind. We must be clear that going into a re-education hospital for treatment is not a way of forcibly arresting people and locking them up for punishment, it is an act that is part of a comprehensive rescue mission to save them.
In order to provide treatment to people who are infected with ideological illnesses and to ensure the effectiveness of the treatment, the Autonomous Regional Party Committee decided to set up re-education camps in all regions, organizing special staff to teach state and provincial laws, regulations, the party’s ethnic and religious policies, and various other guidelines. They mobilized the public to learn the common language [Mandarin Chinese], complete various technical training courses, and take part in cultural and sport activities, teaching them what is correct and incorrect … so they can clearly distinguish right from wrong … At the end of re-education, the infected members of the public return to a healthy ideological state of mind, which guarantees them the ability to live a beautiful happy life with their families.
‘Same as physical illnesses’
Ideological illnesses are the same as physical illnesses, in that they must be treated in time, and should never be ignored and allowed to become serious. Otherwise, later we will regret it, as it will be too late … Being infected by religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology and not seeking treatment is like being infected by a disease that has not been treated in time, or like taking toxic drugs … There is no guarantee that it will not trigger and affect you in the future. If people don’t attend re-education class because there is no one to take responsibility for the household chores, or if they choose to run away from re-education, that can be considered being very irresponsible to themselves, their families and society.
Families of those who have been taken for re-education may have concerns over whether they will be charged for re-education classes, provided with food, or if they will be uncomfortable during periods of cold weather, or punished. All these worries are unnecessary … If the trainees fail to achieve the desired results, they will continue classes free of charge until they are qualified and fit to leave … Citizens, please remain calm and relax, no one in the re-education camps will starve, be left in the cold, be punished, or be forced to work. On the contrary, they are given a rare, free chance of re-education in order to reform themselves.
Some people worry that once they have been through the re-education process, they will be classified as bad people, and that even after having worked hard to complete the re-education program they will be discriminated against and treated differently. In fact, this is an unnecessary concern. Just like people who have had an operation, and have taken medication before recovering from their illnesses, the public won’t see them as someone who is ill.
However, we must be cautious about one fact: having gone through re-education and recovered from the ideological disease doesn’t mean that one is permanently cured. We can only say that they are physically healthy, and there is no sign that the disease may return. After recovering from an illness, if one doesn’t exercise to strengthen the body and the immune system against disease, it could return worse than before. So, after completing the re-education process in the hospital and returning home … they must remain vigilant, empower themselves with the correct knowledge, strengthen their ideological studies, and actively attend various public activities to bolster their immune system against the influence of religious extremism and violent terrorism, and safeguard themselves from being infected once again, to prevent later regrets.
This has been an explanation of re-education and should alleviate the public’s anxiety. We hope that every youth thoroughly understands the harm of religious extremism and violent terrorism, strengthens their mental immune system against the virus, and returns to the great family of the Chinese nation to lead a healthy and happy life.
Translated by RFA’s Uyghur Service.
Source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/infected-08082018173807.html
In recent times, amid a growing heavy crackdown, a small number of people—particularly young people—have gone to re-education camps to study. However, their parents, friends and relatives, and the general public don’t understand the benefits of re-education, and as a result they are worried and fearful. So let us give answers to their questions and their concerns today.
Members of the public who have been chosen for re-education have been infected by an ideological illness. They have been infected with religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology, and therefore they must seek treatment from a hospital as an inpatient. In recent years, there have been violent incidents occurring in Xinjiang, one after another, instigated by the “three evil forces [of “terrorism,” “religious extremism,” and “separatism”], which has threatened the safety of people from all ethnic communities and caused serious damage and losses. These terrorists have one thing in common: they were infected by religious extremism and a violent terrorism disease.
The religious extremist ideology is a type of poisonous medicine which confuses the mind of the people. Once they are poisoned by it, some turn into extremists who no longer value even their own lives … If we do not eradicate religious extremism at its roots, the violent terrorist incidents will grow and spread all over like an incurable malignant tumor.
Although a certain number of people who have been indoctrinated with extremist ideology have not committed any crimes, they are already infected by the disease. There is always a risk that the illness will manifest itself at any moment, which would cause serious harm to the public. That is why they must be admitted to a re-education hospital in time to treat and cleanse the virus from their brain and restore their normal mind. We must be clear that going into a re-education hospital for treatment is not a way of forcibly arresting people and locking them up for punishment, it is an act that is part of a comprehensive rescue mission to save them.
In order to provide treatment to people who are infected with ideological illnesses and to ensure the effectiveness of the treatment, the Autonomous Regional Party Committee decided to set up re-education camps in all regions, organizing special staff to teach state and provincial laws, regulations, the party’s ethnic and religious policies, and various other guidelines. They mobilized the public to learn the common language [Mandarin Chinese], complete various technical training courses, and take part in cultural and sport activities, teaching them what is correct and incorrect … so they can clearly distinguish right from wrong … At the end of re-education, the infected members of the public return to a healthy ideological state of mind, which guarantees them the ability to live a beautiful happy life with their families.
‘Same as physical illnesses’
Ideological illnesses are the same as physical illnesses, in that they must be treated in time, and should never be ignored and allowed to become serious. Otherwise, later we will regret it, as it will be too late … Being infected by religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology and not seeking treatment is like being infected by a disease that has not been treated in time, or like taking toxic drugs … There is no guarantee that it will not trigger and affect you in the future. If people don’t attend re-education class because there is no one to take responsibility for the household chores, or if they choose to run away from re-education, that can be considered being very irresponsible to themselves, their families and society.
Families of those who have been taken for re-education may have concerns over whether they will be charged for re-education classes, provided with food, or if they will be uncomfortable during periods of cold weather, or punished. All these worries are unnecessary … If the trainees fail to achieve the desired results, they will continue classes free of charge until they are qualified and fit to leave … Citizens, please remain calm and relax, no one in the re-education camps will starve, be left in the cold, be punished, or be forced to work. On the contrary, they are given a rare, free chance of re-education in order to reform themselves.
Some people worry that once they have been through the re-education process, they will be classified as bad people, and that even after having worked hard to complete the re-education program they will be discriminated against and treated differently. In fact, this is an unnecessary concern. Just like people who have had an operation, and have taken medication before recovering from their illnesses, the public won’t see them as someone who is ill.
However, we must be cautious about one fact: having gone through re-education and recovered from the ideological disease doesn’t mean that one is permanently cured. We can only say that they are physically healthy, and there is no sign that the disease may return. After recovering from an illness, if one doesn’t exercise to strengthen the body and the immune system against disease, it could return worse than before. So, after completing the re-education process in the hospital and returning home … they must remain vigilant, empower themselves with the correct knowledge, strengthen their ideological studies, and actively attend various public activities to bolster their immune system against the influence of religious extremism and violent terrorism, and safeguard themselves from being infected once again, to prevent later regrets.
This has been an explanation of re-education and should alleviate the public’s anxiety. We hope that every youth thoroughly understands the harm of religious extremism and violent terrorism, strengthens their mental immune system against the virus, and returns to the great family of the Chinese nation to lead a healthy and happy life.
Translated by RFA’s Uyghur Service.
Source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/infected-08082018173807.html
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Blue
2024 Feb 11, 4:38pm
gabbar says
West has been promoting Islam as a weapon on other nations to control them. Now same Islam reached shores and infecting natives for their demise without a cure. But West is still not waking up but using same illness on opponents to gain pennies for their political differences!
This has been an explanation of re-education and should alleviate the public’s anxiety. We hope that every youth thoroughly understands the harm of religious extremism and violent terrorism, strengthens their mental immune system against the virus, and returns to the great family of the Chinese nation to lead a healthy and happy life.
West has been promoting Islam as a weapon on other nations to control them. Now same Islam reached shores and infecting natives for their demise without a cure. But West is still not waking up but using same illness on opponents to gain pennies for their political differences!
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gabbar
2024 Feb 12, 3:59am
gabbar
2024 Feb 12, 3:59am
Blue says
The promotion was mainly by Saudi Arabia utilizing their petro dollars. Its possible that they were used as a pawn in the global monopoly game. 9/11 was a move in the game.
Scientists compare religious ideologies to parasites. All governments have re-education programs (wasn't wokeism one? all tax payer funded schools have these too). Wouldn't these re-education camps be useful in European countries where there are unintegrated Muslims? How the fook did the pronoun shit even take off, we might look back at this in time and wonder. The puppet masters in the government run things, all we can do is respond to it rather than react.
West has been promoting Islam as a weapon on other nations to control them.
The promotion was mainly by Saudi Arabia utilizing their petro dollars. Its possible that they were used as a pawn in the global monopoly game. 9/11 was a move in the game.
Scientists compare religious ideologies to parasites. All governments have re-education programs (wasn't wokeism one? all tax payer funded schools have these too). Wouldn't these re-education camps be useful in European countries where there are unintegrated Muslims? How the fook did the pronoun shit even take off, we might look back at this in time and wonder. The puppet masters in the government run things, all we can do is respond to it rather than react.
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Blue
2024 Feb 25, 11:01pm
Europe is belatedly discovering how unbelievably stupid it was to import millions of people from cultures that despise Western values and which often promote hatred toward the people who have let them in.
@thethomassowell
Europe is belatedly discovering how unbelievably stupid it was to import millions of people from cultures that despise Western values and which often promote hatred toward the people who have let them in.
@thethomassowell
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richwicks
2024 Feb 26, 4:27am
richwicks
2024 Feb 26, 4:27am
Blue says
Over half of the people in Gaza are under 18. There's R and K type reproduction.
R type is when an organism concentrates on the quality of their offspring. They have less children to maximize the advantage of the children they do have. K type is when they have as many children as possible.
Guess what happens when a population is put under extreme duress for 80 years? Israel BRED this nightmare. Palestine had been fairly stable for centuries, and it's been unending conflict since the Zionists moved in and they tend to favor R type reproduction.
If Israel doesn't exterminate the Palestinians and just drives them out into Egypt or whatever, they will come back in time, or their children will, or grandchildren. Public sentiment has FINALLY turned against Israel. Want me to show you horrific videos of the IDF torturing people and laughing about it? I can find them again. Enough people know what Israeli is REALLY like, and they are every bit as brutal and sadistic as we're told the Nazis were. Their propaganda isn't going to hold up either, where are the 40 beheaded babies and their wailing mothers and grandparents? They don't exist.
I think Israel might actually be about to fall now, and it's going to take the US with it. We'll see. We're witnessing a real genocide today, not that we've not seen one before.
richwicks says
The US killed 800,000 Iraqis. Israel has killed around 30,000 Palestinians,
If this was true, they must have breed more than double by now!
Over half of the people in Gaza are under 18. There's R and K type reproduction.
R type is when an organism concentrates on the quality of their offspring. They have less children to maximize the advantage of the children they do have. K type is when they have as many children as possible.
Guess what happens when a population is put under extreme duress for 80 years? Israel BRED this nightmare. Palestine had been fairly stable for centuries, and it's been unending conflict since the Zionists moved in and they tend to favor R type reproduction.
If Israel doesn't exterminate the Palestinians and just drives them out into Egypt or whatever, they will come back in time, or their children will, or grandchildren. Public sentiment has FINALLY turned against Israel. Want me to show you horrific videos of the IDF torturing people and laughing about it? I can find them again. Enough people know what Israeli is REALLY like, and they are every bit as brutal and sadistic as we're told the Nazis were. Their propaganda isn't going to hold up either, where are the 40 beheaded babies and their wailing mothers and grandparents? They don't exist.
I think Israel might actually be about to fall now, and it's going to take the US with it. We'll see. We're witnessing a real genocide today, not that we've not seen one before.
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richwicks
2024 Feb 26, 4:30am
richwicks
2024 Feb 26, 4:30am
Patrick says
Really? The US has killed millions in the last 20 years, and they did it for no discernible reason. All it's done is bankrupt the United States, and create resentment that will come home in time.
Yeah, I bet Muslims are violent, you'd be too if the United States killed your family.
Among religions, Islam is orders of magnitude more violent than any other. It's not even close.
Really? The US has killed millions in the last 20 years, and they did it for no discernible reason. All it's done is bankrupt the United States, and create resentment that will come home in time.
Yeah, I bet Muslims are violent, you'd be too if the United States killed your family.
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Patrick
2024 Feb 26, 8:26am
Patrick
2024 Feb 26, 8:26am
That's true. But Islam is a dangerous mental illness, reliably inspiring murder of non-Muslims all around the world, every day.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
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Patrick
2024 Feb 26, 8:28am
Patrick
2024 Feb 26, 8:28am
richwicks says
I see what you're saying, but the US government is not a religion. Islam is.
My point stands. Islam is orders of magnitude more violent than any other religion, and that is inherent in the religion. Violence is not inherent in the US Constitution.
The US has killed millions in the last 20 years
I see what you're saying, but the US government is not a religion. Islam is.
My point stands. Islam is orders of magnitude more violent than any other religion, and that is inherent in the religion. Violence is not inherent in the US Constitution.
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Misc
2024 Feb 26, 10:46pm
Funny...Egypt's population in 1950 was 22 million. Today it's about 114 million.
Did those evil Zionists cause that too ?????
Did those evil Zionists cause that too ?????
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gabbar
2024 Feb 27, 7:14am
gabbar
2024 Feb 27, 7:14am
richwicks says
No. There is no Allah. He/She/They is a imaginary entity. Are you a follower of Islam?
China would called Christianity as mental illness as well.
No. There is no Allah. He/She/They is a imaginary entity. Are you a follower of Islam?
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gabbar
2024 Feb 27, 7:58am
gabbar
2024 Feb 27, 7:58am
Patrick says
Not only Islam is dangerous, its nature is to infect non-Muslims by force and this nature makes it parasitic. And parasites are often exterminated by professionals in this trade to prevent further destruction.
Is there any better use of US tax dollars?
Islam is a dangerous mental illness
Not only Islam is dangerous, its nature is to infect non-Muslims by force and this nature makes it parasitic. And parasites are often exterminated by professionals in this trade to prevent further destruction.
Is there any better use of US tax dollars?
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AmericanKulak
2024 Feb 27, 10:16pm
AmericanKulak
2024 Feb 27, 10:16pm
Yep, Gaza has a similar explosive growth rate: From about 300,000 in 1967 to over 2 Million today.
Linda Sarsour, Rashida Talib, their American born relatives (and children and themselves at least in Linda's case along with her husband) with irrevocable birth US citizenship, etc. are all considered 'refugees' under UNRWA. Any and all other refugees from any or all ethnic groups are under UNHCRs, which revokes refugee status when a refugee is granted any temporary residency or placement anywhere else.
Linda Sarsour, Rashida Talib, their American born relatives (and children and themselves at least in Linda's case along with her husband) with irrevocable birth US citizenship, etc. are all considered 'refugees' under UNRWA. Any and all other refugees from any or all ethnic groups are under UNHCRs, which revokes refugee status when a refugee is granted any temporary residency or placement anywhere else.
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Patrick
2024 Feb 27, 10:27pm
Patrick
2024 Feb 27, 10:27pm
AmericanKulak says
I think Xi Van Fleet would explain this as deliberate destabilization by communists as a strategy for taking power.
https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-xi-van-fleet-2/
I think Xi Van Fleet would explain this as deliberate destabilization by communists as a strategy for taking power.
https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-xi-van-fleet-2/
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richwicks
2024 Feb 28, 12:49am
richwicks
2024 Feb 28, 12:49am
gabbar says
I'm not particularly religious, and the Islamic religion shares the same god as the Christian religion does.
No. There is no Allah. He/She/They is a imaginary entity. Are you a follower of Islam?
I'm not particularly religious, and the Islamic religion shares the same god as the Christian religion does.
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richwicks
2024 Feb 28, 12:50am
richwicks
2024 Feb 28, 12:50am
AmericanKulak says
It's just a claim. Why are there no links?
well, if they are lying, there would be no links.
It's just a claim. Why are there no links?
well, if they are lying, there would be no links.
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gabbar
2024 Mar 1, 7:25am
gabbar
2024 Mar 1, 7:25am
The official order for Mahjoubi's expulsion, seen by AFP, said that in sermons in February he had given a "retrograde, intolerant and violent" image of Islam that would encourage behaviour against French values, discrimination against women, "tensions with the Jewish community" and "jihadist radicalisation".
The imam also referred to "the Jewish people as the enemy", according to the order, which said Mahjoubi called for "the destruction of Western society".
The imam was also accused of sharing a video in which he described the "tricolour" – without specifying if he meant the French flag – as "satanic" and of "no value with Allah".
https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20240223-tunisian-imam-expelled-from-france-vows-to-appeal-decision
The imam also referred to "the Jewish people as the enemy", according to the order, which said Mahjoubi called for "the destruction of Western society".
The imam was also accused of sharing a video in which he described the "tricolour" – without specifying if he meant the French flag – as "satanic" and of "no value with Allah".
https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20240223-tunisian-imam-expelled-from-france-vows-to-appeal-decision
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Patrick
2024 Mar 1, 7:27am
Patrick
2024 Mar 1, 7:27am
OK France, it's a start. One down, 6 million to go.
Every mosque in the West is a foreign military base.
Every mosque in the West is a foreign military base.
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AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 5, 7:47pm
AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 5, 7:47pm
Thousands of Christians killed by Muslims in the first half of 2023 - and 90% of them were Nigerian
https://www.heritage.org/africa/commentary/slaughter-nigerian-christians-warrants-international-attention
https://www.heritage.org/africa/commentary/slaughter-nigerian-christians-warrants-international-attention
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 11:12am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 11:12am
I just happened to be watching PBS last night when they mentioned the Treaty of Umar from 637AD. Has anyone on this thread heard of it? I hadn't, and found it very interesting that the Caliph specifically ensured continued religious freedom in Jerusalem, and not only that, refused to pray at the Christian/Jewish holy site because he knew Muslims would erect a shrine there, and wanted to preserve that site for Christians.
One other thing, been reading Acts in the Bible. It covers the history of the early church after Christ's ascension, a group that was at that time known as The Way(now Christians). According to Acts, the most fervent, zealous persecutors of The Way were Jews. They would actually follow the early disciples such as Paul as he traveled to preach in different cities, and attempt to incite violence against him. They succeeded, Paul was beaten more than once, and even stoned and left for dead. Now Paul was a Jew who followed every law, and initially was the church's biggest opponent before the road to Damascus. And they still tried to kill him multiple times.
Jews would expel other Jews from the synagogue, which I believe was an early form of bank account freezing. You weren't just prevented from attending church, you were screwed in Jewish society. They would jail Christians, beat them, kill them, all because they preached the truth about Jesus.
But if I read the comments here I'm supposed to believe it's Muslims I should worry about as a Christian, not Jews...
One other thing, been reading Acts in the Bible. It covers the history of the early church after Christ's ascension, a group that was at that time known as The Way(now Christians). According to Acts, the most fervent, zealous persecutors of The Way were Jews. They would actually follow the early disciples such as Paul as he traveled to preach in different cities, and attempt to incite violence against him. They succeeded, Paul was beaten more than once, and even stoned and left for dead. Now Paul was a Jew who followed every law, and initially was the church's biggest opponent before the road to Damascus. And they still tried to kill him multiple times.
Jews would expel other Jews from the synagogue, which I believe was an early form of bank account freezing. You weren't just prevented from attending church, you were screwed in Jewish society. They would jail Christians, beat them, kill them, all because they preached the truth about Jesus.
But if I read the comments here I'm supposed to believe it's Muslims I should worry about as a Christian, not Jews...
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Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 11:29am
Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 11:29am
Oh, in terms of immediate physical violence, it's definitely only the Muslims you should worry about. Muslims who are following the instructions of Islam murder random innocent people around the world every single day:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
Only Islam demands that you be murdered if you refuse to convert or pay the jizya. That's why there can be no site like thereligionofpeace.com about any other religion. The murders just aren't there for the other religions.
OK, the Israelis are being pretty murderous against the Palestinians, but that's not a global war to make Judaism the one supreme religion and government on earth. Only Islam teaches that its followers must conquer the earth by violence. Judaism does teach that the Jews have the right to rule the land of Israel. Islam universalized this and claims that only Muslims have the right to rule anywhere on earth. All non-Islamic governments are considered to be in a state of war with Islam.
That PBS show no doubt ignored the fact that Islamic "tolerance" was granted only to those who submitted to the rule of Muslims and who paid in cash for the privilege of not being forced to convert.
Interesting tidbit about Paul: yes, the traditional Jews tried to kill him for blasphemy, and even brought a case to Seneca's brother, who was a Roman magistrate in Greece. The brother heard the first line of the Jews' complaints and said "Piss off, that's a religious matter among you Jews, not something for Romans to decide."
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
Only Islam demands that you be murdered if you refuse to convert or pay the jizya. That's why there can be no site like thereligionofpeace.com about any other religion. The murders just aren't there for the other religions.
OK, the Israelis are being pretty murderous against the Palestinians, but that's not a global war to make Judaism the one supreme religion and government on earth. Only Islam teaches that its followers must conquer the earth by violence. Judaism does teach that the Jews have the right to rule the land of Israel. Islam universalized this and claims that only Muslims have the right to rule anywhere on earth. All non-Islamic governments are considered to be in a state of war with Islam.
That PBS show no doubt ignored the fact that Islamic "tolerance" was granted only to those who submitted to the rule of Muslims and who paid in cash for the privilege of not being forced to convert.
Interesting tidbit about Paul: yes, the traditional Jews tried to kill him for blasphemy, and even brought a case to Seneca's brother, who was a Roman magistrate in Greece. The brother heard the first line of the Jews' complaints and said "Piss off, that's a religious matter among you Jews, not something for Romans to decide."
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Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 11:57am
Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 11:57am
NuttBoxer says
Some choice lines from that "tolerant" treaty:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-pact-of-umar-regulating-the-status-of-non-muslims-under-muslim-rule
Makes Christians 3rd class citizens in their own countries.
Treaty of Umar from 637AD
Some choice lines from that "tolerant" treaty:
We will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration...
We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night... Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. ...
We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them.
We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. ...
We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets.
We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets.
We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. ...
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-pact-of-umar-regulating-the-status-of-non-muslims-under-muslim-rule
Makes Christians 3rd class citizens in their own countries.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 12:41pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 12:41pm
Patrick says
I hear your opinion, I just don't see it in reality. The Muslims I've known are better mannered than MANY Christians I can think of. I've never been personally attacked for my beliefs as a Christian, but in our society the ones going after me aren't Muslims, they're all white. And in terms of terrorist attacks in the US, Mossad and the CIA would be at the top of my list, NOT Hamas. After all, they both have very direct links to 9/11, Hamas, NONE.
And in terms of my Children's safety, Epstein is a Jewish name I believe, and again, the proven deep state connection is Mossad.
Oh, in terms of immediate physical violence, it's definitely only the Muslims you should worry about. Muslims who are following the instructions of Islam murder random innocent people around the world every single day
I hear your opinion, I just don't see it in reality. The Muslims I've known are better mannered than MANY Christians I can think of. I've never been personally attacked for my beliefs as a Christian, but in our society the ones going after me aren't Muslims, they're all white. And in terms of terrorist attacks in the US, Mossad and the CIA would be at the top of my list, NOT Hamas. After all, they both have very direct links to 9/11, Hamas, NONE.
And in terms of my Children's safety, Epstein is a Jewish name I believe, and again, the proven deep state connection is Mossad.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 12:48pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Mar 7, 12:48pm
Patrick says
Gentiles, aka all of us, weren't allowed to set foot in Jewish temples, and were persecuted, beaten, and murdered for believing Jesus was the Messiah. And the Jews were NOT in power during that time, they were under Rome, so we have to assume they were held in check. Paul survived his last visit to Jerusalem only because he was rescued by Roman soldiers, and was a citizen of Rome. The treaty you just read was after Jerusalem surrendered to the Caliph.
Yes, Christians were NOT first class citizens. Weren't under Rome either, definitely weren't under Israel, a fact that is still true today.
See, I'm ok pointing to all the wrong, you aren't. That's because I care about the truth, not hating people based on creed, color, or religion...
Makes Christians 3rd class citizens in their own countries.
Gentiles, aka all of us, weren't allowed to set foot in Jewish temples, and were persecuted, beaten, and murdered for believing Jesus was the Messiah. And the Jews were NOT in power during that time, they were under Rome, so we have to assume they were held in check. Paul survived his last visit to Jerusalem only because he was rescued by Roman soldiers, and was a citizen of Rome. The treaty you just read was after Jerusalem surrendered to the Caliph.
Yes, Christians were NOT first class citizens. Weren't under Rome either, definitely weren't under Israel, a fact that is still true today.
See, I'm ok pointing to all the wrong, you aren't. That's because I care about the truth, not hating people based on creed, color, or religion...
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Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 12:56pm
Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 12:56pm
NuttBoxer says
That was definitely true for the temple in Jerusalem. I don't think there were any other Jewish temples in antiquity. There was a border around it, saying "No gentiles past this point, on penalty of death."
Again, Islam is just a universalized and militaristic form of Judaism:
Everything you don't like about Judaism is yet more true about Islam.
weren't allowed to set foot in Jewish temples
That was definitely true for the temple in Jerusalem. I don't think there were any other Jewish temples in antiquity. There was a border around it, saying "No gentiles past this point, on penalty of death."
Again, Islam is just a universalized and militaristic form of Judaism:
Everything you don't like about Judaism is yet more true about Islam.
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Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 1:01pm
Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 1:01pm
NuttBoxer says
I also care about truth, and too many people are willing to try to paper over the violence that is the very core of Islam. Islam means "submission", as in "submit, pay, or die".
Muslims are people, just like Jews are people. They should not be hated just because of the religion they were born into, though it must remain allowed to criticize the anti-outsider aspects of any religion, and especially Islam's role in the daily Islamic murders of outsiders.
I care about the truth, not hating people based on creed, color, or religion...
I also care about truth, and too many people are willing to try to paper over the violence that is the very core of Islam. Islam means "submission", as in "submit, pay, or die".
Muslims are people, just like Jews are people. They should not be hated just because of the religion they were born into, though it must remain allowed to criticize the anti-outsider aspects of any religion, and especially Islam's role in the daily Islamic murders of outsiders.
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gabbar
2024 Mar 7, 1:07pm
gabbar
2024 Mar 7, 1:07pm
Patrick says
Further, other religions have progressed while Islam has regressed and its stubborn about regressing and imposing that shit on others by force.
Only Islam demands that you be murdered if you refuse to convert or pay the jizya. That's why there can be no site like thereligionofpeace.com about any other religion. The murders just aren't there for the other religions.
Further, other religions have progressed while Islam has regressed and its stubborn about regressing and imposing that shit on others by force.
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Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 1:11pm
Patrick
2024 Mar 7, 1:11pm
NuttBoxer says
Again, Islam is much more extreme and intolerant than Judaism. No Christian churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia at all, and you can be prosecuted for displaying a bible in public:
https://www.persecution.org/2019/10/19/christian-tourists-risk-arrest-bibles-displayed-saudi-arabia/
Israel, on the other hand, has no such restrictions on bibles.
And sure, the Romans persecuted Christians, at first. Then Christianity became the Roman state religion.
Christians were NOT first class citizens. Weren't under Rome either, definitely weren't under Israel, a fact that is still true today.
Again, Islam is much more extreme and intolerant than Judaism. No Christian churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia at all, and you can be prosecuted for displaying a bible in public:
https://www.persecution.org/2019/10/19/christian-tourists-risk-arrest-bibles-displayed-saudi-arabia/
10/19/2019 Saudi Arabia (International Christian Concern) – Adherence to strict Saudi Arabian rules include restrictions on open Christian practice. New tourist regulations allow for one Bible to be brought into the country for personal use only. More than one or any public display of the Bible will bring harsh punishment, even for tourists.
Conversion from Islam to Christianity is considered a crime in Saudi Arabia and Christians who live and practice their faith there are in constant danger of imprisonment or violence.
Israel, on the other hand, has no such restrictions on bibles.
And sure, the Romans persecuted Christians, at first. Then Christianity became the Roman state religion.
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A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins
Dear friends,
The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!
What most Muslims will say:
Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.
What knowledgeable Muslims should say:
That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.
What the Qur'an Teaches Us:
We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).
The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.
Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.
Arabic translation الترجمة العربية
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