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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 2:52pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 2:52pm
Patrick says
Yes, especially cartoons. Children love cartoons, and Islam commands parents to kill their own children for mocking Islam. Mockery is very powerful, especially for a doctrine such as Islam that is all about "dignity" and the phony peace of oppression, i.e. silencing anyone who doesn't believe in Islam.
It may be possible in the modern world to end Islam, partly by weaponizing comedians and cartoonists: relentless mockery and cartoons, all the time, everywhere. April Fool's Day used to be a Pagan holiday, until Christians used mockery against the Pagans.
The west defeated communism, which was an inherently materialist doctrine, by providing greater material wealth. It made a huge impression on Boris Yeltsin when he walked into a random American supermarket, and saw ordinary American shoppers amidst such plenty as would never be seen in the USSR, and looking bored. He could see ordinary Americans took for granted a level of wealth that their Russian counterparts could never attain, and he knew in that moment communism had failed.
We don't have much time regarding Islam. With the USSR, the MAD doctrine provided adequate deterrence even in a nuclear world. With countless Muslims ready to kill themselves for Islam and take disbelievers with them, MAD will not work long. Huge numbers of Muslims become motivated to lethal violence over a joke. It is only a matter of time before some of those Muslims get control of a nuclear weapon. At that point, we will either need to censor everyone and submit to Islam, or endure a horrifying war.
FortWayne says
That's backwards. It's time to bring the people persecuted by Islam (e.g. the Malaysian caned lesbians) here in order to get detailed cultural advice about how to end the persecution. How exactly do you mock Mohammed in Malaysia? What are the worst forms of mockery in Malaysian culture? Who's who in Malaysia, how do you change Malaysian culture? You need some actual Malaysians to answer these questions, preferably people who are highly motivated to change the culture, and who have family there who can provide feedback as to how it's going.
Their weakness, ironically, seems to be a very simple thing: mockery of Mohammed.
Yes, especially cartoons. Children love cartoons, and Islam commands parents to kill their own children for mocking Islam. Mockery is very powerful, especially for a doctrine such as Islam that is all about "dignity" and the phony peace of oppression, i.e. silencing anyone who doesn't believe in Islam.
It may be possible in the modern world to end Islam, partly by weaponizing comedians and cartoonists: relentless mockery and cartoons, all the time, everywhere. April Fool's Day used to be a Pagan holiday, until Christians used mockery against the Pagans.
The west defeated communism, which was an inherently materialist doctrine, by providing greater material wealth. It made a huge impression on Boris Yeltsin when he walked into a random American supermarket, and saw ordinary American shoppers amidst such plenty as would never be seen in the USSR, and looking bored. He could see ordinary Americans took for granted a level of wealth that their Russian counterparts could never attain, and he knew in that moment communism had failed.
We don't have much time regarding Islam. With the USSR, the MAD doctrine provided adequate deterrence even in a nuclear world. With countless Muslims ready to kill themselves for Islam and take disbelievers with them, MAD will not work long. Huge numbers of Muslims become motivated to lethal violence over a joke. It is only a matter of time before some of those Muslims get control of a nuclear weapon. At that point, we will either need to censor everyone and submit to Islam, or endure a horrifying war.
FortWayne says
ship them all off to Malaysia for a dose of world reality.
That's backwards. It's time to bring the people persecuted by Islam (e.g. the Malaysian caned lesbians) here in order to get detailed cultural advice about how to end the persecution. How exactly do you mock Mohammed in Malaysia? What are the worst forms of mockery in Malaysian culture? Who's who in Malaysia, how do you change Malaysian culture? You need some actual Malaysians to answer these questions, preferably people who are highly motivated to change the culture, and who have family there who can provide feedback as to how it's going.
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Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 4:51pm
Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 4:51pm
curious2 says
Every day Islamists get closer to getting a nuke. Pakistan continues to add nuke after nuke. Iran continues it's research and missile technology to deliver nukes. NK would not hesitate to sell nuclear technology.
I'm sure Iran and some other countries would love to pay any amount of money to get a few nukes. Some Pakistani general or scientist, that hates the USA and Israel, can easily be convinced to sell nuke technology for a $100 million. How do we know it's not happening now?
We have done a horrible job stopping the spread of nuclear technology, as each President simply keeps kicking the can down the street. One nuclear bomb going off in a major Western city will lead to a catastrophic loss of human life, the stock market will completely collapse, and we will have the the worst depression ever, along with major wars.
We don't have much time regarding Islam. With the USSR, the MAD doctrine provided adequate deterrence even in a nuclear world. With countless Muslims ready to kill themselves for Islam and take disbelievers with them, MAD will not work long. Huge numbers of Muslims become motivated to lethal violence over a joke. It is only a matter of time before some of those Muslims get control of a nuclear weapon.
Every day Islamists get closer to getting a nuke. Pakistan continues to add nuke after nuke. Iran continues it's research and missile technology to deliver nukes. NK would not hesitate to sell nuclear technology.
I'm sure Iran and some other countries would love to pay any amount of money to get a few nukes. Some Pakistani general or scientist, that hates the USA and Israel, can easily be convinced to sell nuke technology for a $100 million. How do we know it's not happening now?
We have done a horrible job stopping the spread of nuclear technology, as each President simply keeps kicking the can down the street. One nuclear bomb going off in a major Western city will lead to a catastrophic loss of human life, the stock market will completely collapse, and we will have the the worst depression ever, along with major wars.
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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 5:08pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 5:08pm
Strategist says
and a parade of politicians declaring this has nothing to do with Islam, even as the perpetrators are proven to have been Muslims committing the attack in the name of Islam. My favorite example remains the Orlando Pulse attack, where Omar Mateen was literally on the phone with 911 declaring his allegiance to the Islamic State and saying he was killing people on behalf of "his country" (i.e. the Islamic State), and POTUS and DoJ tried to censor the transcript to omit all references to Islam.
I suspect that even a nuclear Islamic attack on a western city would be met with more of the same. We would see also a parade of stories about the handful of sympathetic Muslims who were killed, nevermind that from the Islamic POV, that's all good because they go to eternal paradise while the disbelievers burn in hell.
It would however drive many western voters to embrace whoever campaigns on defending against Islam, but will those votes even count if more jurisdictions enact paperless electronic ballots and NPVIC?
One nuclear bomb going off in a major Western city will lead to a catastrophic loss of human life....
and a parade of politicians declaring this has nothing to do with Islam, even as the perpetrators are proven to have been Muslims committing the attack in the name of Islam. My favorite example remains the Orlando Pulse attack, where Omar Mateen was literally on the phone with 911 declaring his allegiance to the Islamic State and saying he was killing people on behalf of "his country" (i.e. the Islamic State), and POTUS and DoJ tried to censor the transcript to omit all references to Islam.
I suspect that even a nuclear Islamic attack on a western city would be met with more of the same. We would see also a parade of stories about the handful of sympathetic Muslims who were killed, nevermind that from the Islamic POV, that's all good because they go to eternal paradise while the disbelievers burn in hell.
It would however drive many western voters to embrace whoever campaigns on defending against Islam, but will those votes even count if more jurisdictions enact paperless electronic ballots and NPVIC?
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Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:18pm
Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:18pm
curious2 says
A nuclear explosion in a major Western city followed by an economic collapse will enrage the average person on the street. Muslims who have nothing to do with violence will end up being victimized. Even those who just look like Muslims will get attacked.
Nothing good can come from not taking severe steps to control the spread of nukes. Why even take a small chance?
Strategist saysOne nuclear bomb going off in a major Western city will lead to a catastrophic loss of human life....
and a parade of politicians declaring this has nothing to do with Islam, even as the perpetrators are proven to have been Muslims committing the attack in the name of Islam. My favorite example remains the Orlando Pulse attack, where Omar Mateen was literally on the phone with 911 declaring his allegiance to the Islamic State and saying he was killing people on behalf of "his country" (i.e. the Islamic State), and POTUS and DoJ tried to censor the transcript to omit all references to Islam.
I suspect that even a nuclear Islamic attack on a western city would be met with more of the same. We would see also a parade of stories about the handful of sympathetic Muslims who were killed, nevermind that from the Islamic POV, that's all good because they go to eternal paradise while th...
A nuclear explosion in a major Western city followed by an economic collapse will enrage the average person on the street. Muslims who have nothing to do with violence will end up being victimized. Even those who just look like Muslims will get attacked.
Nothing good can come from not taking severe steps to control the spread of nukes. Why even take a small chance?
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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 5:38pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 5:38pm
Strategist says
Most people agree on that, but disagree about where the risk is. NATO politicians and MSM emphasize Russia and North Korea, even though MAD deters the leaders in both of those countries from starting a nuclear exchange. That reflects institutional inertia: senior people who have made their careers during the cold war continue the mentality that got them where they are. Pakistan presents a bigger risk than North Korea, but Pakistan pretended to be on "our side" during the cold war against the godless communists, so it is misperceived as an ally, even after hiding OBL from us while collecting $ from us ostensibly to help us find him.
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a terrorist state that would literally side with OBL and KSA against the USA. We know Pakistan would do that because that happened. It should tell us something about Islam, and what other Islamic countries would do to us, but some people are highly paid not to get that message. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." "There are none so blind as those who will not see." So long as Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA continue to give Muslims the power to corrupt NATO governments and MSM, the established pattern continues.
Nothing good can come from not taking severe steps to control the spread of nukes. Why even take a small chance?
Most people agree on that, but disagree about where the risk is. NATO politicians and MSM emphasize Russia and North Korea, even though MAD deters the leaders in both of those countries from starting a nuclear exchange. That reflects institutional inertia: senior people who have made their careers during the cold war continue the mentality that got them where they are. Pakistan presents a bigger risk than North Korea, but Pakistan pretended to be on "our side" during the cold war against the godless communists, so it is misperceived as an ally, even after hiding OBL from us while collecting $ from us ostensibly to help us find him.
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a terrorist state that would literally side with OBL and KSA against the USA. We know Pakistan would do that because that happened. It should tell us something about Islam, and what other Islamic countries would do to us, but some people are highly paid not to get that message. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." "There are none so blind as those who will not see." So long as Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA continue to give Muslims the power to corrupt NATO governments and MSM, the established pattern continues.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 3, 5:40pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 3, 5:40pm
curious2 says
I like the idea of a cartoon brigade, in memory of the Charlie Hebdo staff.
Deploy the cartoons!
It may be possible in the modern world to end Islam, partly by weaponizing comedians and cartoonists: relentless mockery and cartoons, all the time, everywhere.
I like the idea of a cartoon brigade, in memory of the Charlie Hebdo staff.
Deploy the cartoons!
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Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:56pm
Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:56pm
curious2 says
Iran and Pakistan are too obvious a risk for anyone to disagree on. Yet it happens. I'm so glad Trump is there to take the right action and not kick the can down the road, like the past idiots.
Strategist saysNothing good can come from not taking severe steps to control the spread of nukes. Why even take a small chance?
Most people agree on that, but disagree about where the risk is.
Iran and Pakistan are too obvious a risk for anyone to disagree on. Yet it happens. I'm so glad Trump is there to take the right action and not kick the can down the road, like the past idiots.
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Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:57pm
Strategist
2018 Sep 3, 5:57pm
Patrick says
I would love to see that. Who are they gonna kill? Everyone?
curious2 saysIt may be possible in the modern world to end Islam, partly by weaponizing comedians and cartoonists: relentless mockery and cartoons, all the time, everywhere.
I like the idea of a cartoon brigade, in memory of the Charlie Hebdo staff.
Deploy the cartoons!
I would love to see that. Who are they gonna kill? Everyone?
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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 6:09pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 6:09pm
Strategist says
Many will die trying. Here is a photo of a Muslim who detonated a suicide belt but survived long enough to look around wondering what to say to his intended victims, who gathered around and made videos of him. I saw graphic videos, but here is a sanitized still, with a caption:
This page describes the scene and shows a sanitized YouTube video:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/yemen-failed-isis-suicide-bomber-found-alive-after-blowing-himself-in-half/
For those who can't draw well enough to win a cartoon contest, hold a caption contest:
"This is your brain on Islam."
"Go immediately to paradise, they said. Virgins and milk and honey, they said...."
"If Ahmed had gone right to the police, this would never have happened."
"Choices: send your boys to Catholic school and they get molested but live long lives; send them to madrassah and they end up like this."
Follow those with a serious warning that Islam causes this behavior around the world. It is worse than communism and drugs combined.
Who are they gonna kill? Everyone?
Many will die trying. Here is a photo of a Muslim who detonated a suicide belt but survived long enough to look around wondering what to say to his intended victims, who gathered around and made videos of him. I saw graphic videos, but here is a sanitized still, with a caption:
This page describes the scene and shows a sanitized YouTube video:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/yemen-failed-isis-suicide-bomber-found-alive-after-blowing-himself-in-half/
For those who can't draw well enough to win a cartoon contest, hold a caption contest:
"This is your brain on Islam."
"Go immediately to paradise, they said. Virgins and milk and honey, they said...."
"If Ahmed had gone right to the police, this would never have happened."
"Choices: send your boys to Catholic school and they get molested but live long lives; send them to madrassah and they end up like this."
Follow those with a serious warning that Islam causes this behavior around the world. It is worse than communism and drugs combined.
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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 8:46pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 8:46pm
Patrick says
Release the comics!
I like the idea of a cartoon brigade, in memory of the Charlie Hebdo staff.
Deploy the cartoons!
Release the comics!
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 3, 8:50pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 3, 8:50pm
One of the best methods to defeat Islam is too encourage battles over Hadiths, Qurans, Fiqh, and Sectarianism.
I think this is actually underutilized. Any Muslim stomping about how perfect and inerrant the Quran and Islam is should be bombarded with questions about Twelvers, Ibadi, Wahabi/Salafi, Sufis, etc. etc.
Atomizing Islam into as many denominations as possible is a good technique since it encourages free thought while promoting infighting and mutual accusations of heresy.
I think this is actually underutilized. Any Muslim stomping about how perfect and inerrant the Quran and Islam is should be bombarded with questions about Twelvers, Ibadi, Wahabi/Salafi, Sufis, etc. etc.
Atomizing Islam into as many denominations as possible is a good technique since it encourages free thought while promoting infighting and mutual accusations of heresy.
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curious2
2018 Sep 3, 9:01pm
curious2
2018 Sep 3, 9:01pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
You are right. Since WWI, the British and now NATO have tried to unite Sunnis against whoever the enemy of the moment was (Germany, USSR, Iran). It has come at a heavy price. The British technique in India worked more effectively and for longer, atomizing the population into countless little sects with their own little potentates and privileges. Alas in granting India independence the British and Americans gave Muslims a country, which has already become a terrorist state.
I prefer rationality: reducing to absurdity the whole premise of Islam, and disproving its conclusions, but as a practical matter the divide and conquer technique might prove more effective. It might be possible to combine both.
Either requires a 180 degree turn away from British and American policies that have continued for more than a century.
One of the best methods to defeat Islam is too encourage battles over Hadiths, Qurans, Fiqh, and Sectarianism.
I think this is actually underutilized.
You are right. Since WWI, the British and now NATO have tried to unite Sunnis against whoever the enemy of the moment was (Germany, USSR, Iran). It has come at a heavy price. The British technique in India worked more effectively and for longer, atomizing the population into countless little sects with their own little potentates and privileges. Alas in granting India independence the British and Americans gave Muslims a country, which has already become a terrorist state.
I prefer rationality: reducing to absurdity the whole premise of Islam, and disproving its conclusions, but as a practical matter the divide and conquer technique might prove more effective. It might be possible to combine both.
Either requires a 180 degree turn away from British and American policies that have continued for more than a century.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 11:52pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 11:52pm
7 stabbed in Paris
— Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) September 10, 2018
Not terrorism-related
Nice guy, kept himself to himself at the mosque. Parents had no idea, thoughts & prayers bollocks etc.
pic.twitter.com/I4eijEMf2p
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 11:53pm
Acceptable Google News source:
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 9, 11:53pm
Germans are Rising Up!
— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) September 10, 2018
ANOTHER German is murdered by 2 Afghans migrants - this time in #Köthen
Migrants savagely attacked the victim who fell & hit his head. Lib media is pretending that a ‘heart-attack’ killed the victim. Germans had ENOUGH lies & are marching in the streets! pic.twitter.com/C4xbkjvx5q
Acceptable Google News source:
Anti-migrant groups march after fatal incident in #Koethen#köt0909 #Germany
Live: https://t.co/DUb7u7HSan pic.twitter.com/wagaHYAby4— Ruptly (@Ruptly) September 9, 2018
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:01am
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:01am
Patrick says
That link says, "A source close to the inquiry said the suspect has been arrested and is believed to be an Afghan national.
"Nothing at this stage shows signs of a terrorist nature in these assaults," the sources said, adding that the attacker had targeted "strangers in the street.""
It sounds as if some consider this behavior perfectly normal for Parisians in September, like who doesn't go around stabbing strangers at the end of summer holiday?
This knife attack is part of a series in France, including Dordogne:
"An Afghan asylum-seeker was arrested after launching a drunken and frenzied knife attack in the sleepy southwestern French town of Perigueux, injuring four people including one seriously, police said Tuesday."
We have no way of knowing how many individual attacks might also have occurred without getting counted as "terrorism". I have seen video from Iraq and Pakistan where Islamic State or other Sharia patrols approach a target from behind, murder him, and leave. Some of the perpetrators make these videos as part of documenting the enforcement of Islam. Others are caught on surveillance video. 70% of the prisoners in France are reportedly Muslim. If the percentage of prisoners reflects the percentage of violent crime, then that implies 70% of the violent crime in France perpetrated by the 10% who are Muslim. Moreover, Sharia patrols can provide false alibis for each other, making them especially difficult to prosecute; no one has ever been convicted of the Sharia murders of bloggers in Bangladesh, for example:
"A prominent, secular Bangladeshi blogger, Shahzahan Bachchu, was killed by some unknown attackers Monday evening.
***
He had reportedly gone to meet a friend at a pharmacy shop, near his house, when the attackers came and blasted a crude bomb outside the shop that created a chaos. The attackers then dragged him out and shot him.
***
His murder was the latest in a series of killings of secular activists and bloggers in the country.
***
Earlier in 2015, a publisher named Faisal Arefin Dipan was also hacked to death. Prior to that blogger, Avijit Roy was also murdered.
In the same year, blogger Niloy Neel, who espoused atheist views, was hacked to death in his home in Dhaka. Further Washiqur Rahman was killed in Dhaka.
Then in 2016, a senior editor of LGBT magazine, Roopban, was hacked to death."
In embracing Islam, the left have chosen to sacrifice all the people whom Muslims murder customarily and habitually in the name of Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-stabbings-french-police-arrest-suspect-who-wounded-several-today-2018-09-09-live-updates/
That link says, "A source close to the inquiry said the suspect has been arrested and is believed to be an Afghan national.
"Nothing at this stage shows signs of a terrorist nature in these assaults," the sources said, adding that the attacker had targeted "strangers in the street.""
It sounds as if some consider this behavior perfectly normal for Parisians in September, like who doesn't go around stabbing strangers at the end of summer holiday?
This knife attack is part of a series in France, including Dordogne:
"An Afghan asylum-seeker was arrested after launching a drunken and frenzied knife attack in the sleepy southwestern French town of Perigueux, injuring four people including one seriously, police said Tuesday."
We have no way of knowing how many individual attacks might also have occurred without getting counted as "terrorism". I have seen video from Iraq and Pakistan where Islamic State or other Sharia patrols approach a target from behind, murder him, and leave. Some of the perpetrators make these videos as part of documenting the enforcement of Islam. Others are caught on surveillance video. 70% of the prisoners in France are reportedly Muslim. If the percentage of prisoners reflects the percentage of violent crime, then that implies 70% of the violent crime in France perpetrated by the 10% who are Muslim. Moreover, Sharia patrols can provide false alibis for each other, making them especially difficult to prosecute; no one has ever been convicted of the Sharia murders of bloggers in Bangladesh, for example:
"A prominent, secular Bangladeshi blogger, Shahzahan Bachchu, was killed by some unknown attackers Monday evening.
***
He had reportedly gone to meet a friend at a pharmacy shop, near his house, when the attackers came and blasted a crude bomb outside the shop that created a chaos. The attackers then dragged him out and shot him.
***
His murder was the latest in a series of killings of secular activists and bloggers in the country.
***
Earlier in 2015, a publisher named Faisal Arefin Dipan was also hacked to death. Prior to that blogger, Avijit Roy was also murdered.
In the same year, blogger Niloy Neel, who espoused atheist views, was hacked to death in his home in Dhaka. Further Washiqur Rahman was killed in Dhaka.
Then in 2016, a senior editor of LGBT magazine, Roopban, was hacked to death."
In embracing Islam, the left have chosen to sacrifice all the people whom Muslims murder customarily and habitually in the name of Islam.
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:36am
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:36am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
BBC: "Two Afghan suspects have been arrested.
Prosecutors said that a post-mortem examination suggested the victim, who reportedly intervened in an argument involving three Afghan men and a pregnant woman, did not die directly as result of the injuries he suffered when he fell and hit his head during the fight.
A local pastor, Martin Olejnicki, said that every effort now had to be made to ease tensions, adding that the church would pray every day "for the victim, his family members and peace in the city".
"It is always a kind of danger - we just had Chemnitz - and so things could escalate and I believe nobody wants that," he said. "That's why we are trying to appease all sides and to talk to people and tell them that it's not the moment to let things escalate."
***
In Chemnitz a Syrian and an Iraqi were arrested after a 35-year-old German man was stabbed to death in a fight on 26 August.
***
Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that "vigilante justice" would not be tolerated."
...unless it's committed by Muslims as part of vigilante Sharia patrols. Meanwhile, a local pastor calls for appeasement, and the Pope demands that Christian countries in Europe must import Muslims. Why doesn't the Pope demand Christian countries in Europe import Christians from Latin America, where he is from? How many Petrodollars did it take to persuade him that Europe must import Muslims instead?
ANOTHER German is murdered by 2 Afghans migrants - this time in #Köthen
BBC: "Two Afghan suspects have been arrested.
Prosecutors said that a post-mortem examination suggested the victim, who reportedly intervened in an argument involving three Afghan men and a pregnant woman, did not die directly as result of the injuries he suffered when he fell and hit his head during the fight.
A local pastor, Martin Olejnicki, said that every effort now had to be made to ease tensions, adding that the church would pray every day "for the victim, his family members and peace in the city".
"It is always a kind of danger - we just had Chemnitz - and so things could escalate and I believe nobody wants that," he said. "That's why we are trying to appease all sides and to talk to people and tell them that it's not the moment to let things escalate."
***
In Chemnitz a Syrian and an Iraqi were arrested after a 35-year-old German man was stabbed to death in a fight on 26 August.
***
Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that "vigilante justice" would not be tolerated."
...unless it's committed by Muslims as part of vigilante Sharia patrols. Meanwhile, a local pastor calls for appeasement, and the Pope demands that Christian countries in Europe must import Muslims. Why doesn't the Pope demand Christian countries in Europe import Christians from Latin America, where he is from? How many Petrodollars did it take to persuade him that Europe must import Muslims instead?
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Patrick
2018 Sep 10, 7:36am
Patrick
2018 Sep 10, 7:36am
curious2 says
Lol, the difference between reality and what the leftist press reports grows ever greater, to the point of comedy.
I could not find any mention of the attack on the NY Times front page.
It sounds as if some consider this behavior perfectly normal for Parisians in September, like who doesn't go around stabbing strangers at the end of summer holiday?
Lol, the difference between reality and what the leftist press reports grows ever greater, to the point of comedy.
I could not find any mention of the attack on the NY Times front page.
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Shaman
2018 Sep 10, 7:40am
Shaman
2018 Sep 10, 7:40am
This pope is a true Leftist and is helping to destroy what’s left of the Catholic Church. Advocating importing the sworn enemy of Christianity means you’ve gone over to the other side. He should just put on his turban, grow a beard, and start praying to Mecca and stop the pretense of being Christian.
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NDrLoR
2018 Sep 10, 8:36am
NDrLoR
2018 Sep 10, 8:36am
It's all just a big misunderstanding on the part of Christians which is the problem. Why, they're even having a dialogue at a Christian church over three weeks right here in Waco and after that I'm sure everything will be cleared up--I like how they refer to it as "reformed" Christianity: https://www.wacotrib.com/news/religion/first-presbyterian-sunday-services-to-feature-dialogues-between-christians-muslims/article_5b9021c1-8a24-5c80-b0a7-aa4f5407ba63.html
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Strategist
2018 Sep 10, 11:02am
Strategist
2018 Sep 10, 11:02am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
curious2 says
We make it easy for the Islamic nuts to harm. We keep letting them in. We give them full democratic rights, making it easy for them to harm us. They get freedom of religion through which they spread their filth. We pay for their lawyers to keep them out of jail and free to kill us. We even deny there is an Islamic problem.
No wonder we cannot solve the Islamic problem.
7 stabbed in Paris
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
ANOTHER German is murdered by 2 Afghans migrants - this time in #Köthen
curious2 says
"A prominent, secular Bangladeshi blogger, Shahzahan Bachchu, was killed by some unknown attackers Monday evening.
We make it easy for the Islamic nuts to harm. We keep letting them in. We give them full democratic rights, making it easy for them to harm us. They get freedom of religion through which they spread their filth. We pay for their lawyers to keep them out of jail and free to kill us. We even deny there is an Islamic problem.
No wonder we cannot solve the Islamic problem.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 1:26pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 1:26pm
Another Rapefugee.
Police say Ibrahim Ali, 28, arrived in Canada just three months before Shen was found dead in a Burnaby park .
Immediately, Superintendent Donna Richardson said little about Ali, a Syrian national and permanent resident of Canada, although she agreed with a questioner that the case was “not related to religious ideology”.
https://gellerreport.com/2018/09/migrant-murdered-13yo-girl.html
Police say Ibrahim Ali, 28, arrived in Canada just three months before Shen was found dead in a Burnaby park .
Ibrahim Ali, 28, is accused of first-degree murder, the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team announced on Monday. Superintendent Donna Richardson, the officer in charge of IHIT, called for the public to remain calm and not make generalisations about the revelation that Ali was a refugee. China Daily
Immediately, Superintendent Donna Richardson said little about Ali, a Syrian national and permanent resident of Canada, although she agreed with a questioner that the case was “not related to religious ideology”.
https://gellerreport.com/2018/09/migrant-murdered-13yo-girl.html
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:33pm
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:33pm
Quigley says
I suspect Petrodollar corruption. Running the Vatican is like inheriting a large estate with extremely high operating costs: you don't dare let down the side, so you must find the funds to keep the whole thing going. The exposure of child sexual assaults reduced attendance and revenue in rich countries, so he seeks adherents and funds elsewhere.
I don't see any other explanation for the fact that he says European Christian countries must import MENA Muslims instead of Latin American Christians. If a pope's job is to Christianize Europe, then it makes no sense for him to try to Islamicize instead. Perhaps the Latin American Christians are too secular for him, and he prefers the Islamic insistence on fusing religion and state, but even so he must be able to see that path would end in an Islamic state.
He has not otherwise gone left. For example, when Ireland voted to recognize marriage equality, he called it a "defeat for humanity." That showed a total loss of perspective on his part. The Irish voted for the equal protection of the laws. He had told them not to, and that was a mistake on his part. He should have apologized and moved on. He has a problem there, because if gay men can get married (to each other), he doesn't know how to recruit them to become priests, and so he has a shortage of priests. He hasn't found a solution to that problem, so he attacks marriage equality. That isn't a "left" position, it's a struggle to maintain the old model which was based on recruiting closeted gay guys to become priests.
This pope is a true Leftist and is helping to destroy what’s left of the Catholic Church. Advocating importing the sworn enemy of Christianity means you’ve gone over to the other side. He should just put on his turban, grow a beard, and start praying to Mecca and stop the pretense of being Christian.
I suspect Petrodollar corruption. Running the Vatican is like inheriting a large estate with extremely high operating costs: you don't dare let down the side, so you must find the funds to keep the whole thing going. The exposure of child sexual assaults reduced attendance and revenue in rich countries, so he seeks adherents and funds elsewhere.
I don't see any other explanation for the fact that he says European Christian countries must import MENA Muslims instead of Latin American Christians. If a pope's job is to Christianize Europe, then it makes no sense for him to try to Islamicize instead. Perhaps the Latin American Christians are too secular for him, and he prefers the Islamic insistence on fusing religion and state, but even so he must be able to see that path would end in an Islamic state.
He has not otherwise gone left. For example, when Ireland voted to recognize marriage equality, he called it a "defeat for humanity." That showed a total loss of perspective on his part. The Irish voted for the equal protection of the laws. He had told them not to, and that was a mistake on his part. He should have apologized and moved on. He has a problem there, because if gay men can get married (to each other), he doesn't know how to recruit them to become priests, and so he has a shortage of priests. He hasn't found a solution to that problem, so he attacks marriage equality. That isn't a "left" position, it's a struggle to maintain the old model which was based on recruiting closeted gay guys to become priests.
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:38pm
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 1:38pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
What does that even mean? Was an MSM representative requesting expressly a quote along the usual lines of, "nothing to do with Islam?"
"Questioner": Yet another Muslim murdering non-Muslims has "nothing to do with Islam," right?
Superintendent: Right!
They could at least pretend to objectivity:
Questioner: Does this have anything to with Islam?
Superintendent: The evidence shows XYZ....
she agreed with a questioner
What does that even mean? Was an MSM representative requesting expressly a quote along the usual lines of, "nothing to do with Islam?"
"Questioner": Yet another Muslim murdering non-Muslims has "nothing to do with Islam," right?
Superintendent: Right!
They could at least pretend to objectivity:
Questioner: Does this have anything to with Islam?
Superintendent: The evidence shows XYZ....
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Rin
2018 Sep 10, 1:52pm
Rin
2018 Sep 10, 1:52pm
Remember, there's no Islama-GOOD, instead it's Islama-BAD, in Pakistan!
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 2:16pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 10, 2:16pm
curious2 says
Latin Americans are converting to Protestant faiths, particularly Charismatic and Evangelical churches, in huge numbers.
Even in the heart of South America, Catholics are leaving for "Dissident" Christianity.
I don't see any other explanation for the fact that he says European Christian countries must import MENA Muslims instead of Latin American Christians. If a pope's job is to Christianize Europe, then it makes no sense for him to try to Islamicize instead. Perhaps the Latin American Christians are too secular for him, and he prefers the Islamic insistence on fusing religion and state, but even so he must be able to see that path would end in an Islamic state.
Latin Americans are converting to Protestant faiths, particularly Charismatic and Evangelical churches, in huge numbers.
Even in the heart of South America, Catholics are leaving for "Dissident" Christianity.
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Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:20pm
Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:20pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Even in the Boston area, there's a huge Brazilian evangelical movement.
My only hope is that they don't ban Carnival in Rio and ban women from walking around in thongs all day, since seeing hoes is aye ok in Brazil.
Catholics are leaving for "Dissident" Christianity.
Even in the Boston area, there's a huge Brazilian evangelical movement.
My only hope is that they don't ban Carnival in Rio and ban women from walking around in thongs all day, since seeing hoes is aye ok in Brazil.
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 2:24pm
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 2:24pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Wow:
"Latin America [was] 90 percent Catholic, as of 1910. But as of 2010, that statistic has dropped to 72 percent, with certain countries noting even lower levels of Catholicism (Pew Research Center, 2013).
For the last five decades, there have been two phenomena taking place: adherents leaving the Catholic faith, and many people joining Protestant congregations, especially Pentecostal and Neo-Pentecostal churches.
***
As of 2010, only 65 percent of Brazilians practice Roman Catholicism compared 92 percent in 1970, with 22 percent now practicing a Protestant denomination, up from 5 percent in 1970 (Pew Research Center, 2013). In addition, Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Brazilians who were raised Catholic now identify as Protestant (2014)."
Latin Americans are converting to Protestant faiths, particularly Charismatic and Evangelical churches, in huge numbers.
Wow:
"Latin America [was] 90 percent Catholic, as of 1910. But as of 2010, that statistic has dropped to 72 percent, with certain countries noting even lower levels of Catholicism (Pew Research Center, 2013).
For the last five decades, there have been two phenomena taking place: adherents leaving the Catholic faith, and many people joining Protestant congregations, especially Pentecostal and Neo-Pentecostal churches.
***
As of 2010, only 65 percent of Brazilians practice Roman Catholicism compared 92 percent in 1970, with 22 percent now practicing a Protestant denomination, up from 5 percent in 1970 (Pew Research Center, 2013). In addition, Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Brazilians who were raised Catholic now identify as Protestant (2014)."
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Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:27pm
Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:27pm
curious2 says
This is not good, if it results in banning hoes.
Remember, Quebec (French Canada) is Catholic majority but the women hoes themselves out because there's a bit of hypocrisy ... bang during the week but confess on Sunday and then hit the repeat button on Monday.
As of 2010, only 65 percent of Brazilians practice Roman Catholicism compared 92 percent in 1970, with 22 percent now practicing a Protestant denomination, up from 5 percent in 1970 (Pew Research Center, 2013). In addition, Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Brazilians who were raised Catholic now identify as Protestant (2014)."
This is not good, if it results in banning hoes.
Remember, Quebec (French Canada) is Catholic majority but the women hoes themselves out because there's a bit of hypocrisy ... bang during the week but confess on Sunday and then hit the repeat button on Monday.
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curious2
2018 Sep 10, 2:34pm
curious2
2018 Sep 10, 2:34pm
Rin says
That pattern does recur in many Catholic countries, e.g. England prior to Henry VIII. Showtime did a great series called "The Tudors" showing (among other things) how life changed because of his "conversion". Once he got control of both church and state, he began using state power to execute people and confiscate their property for "treason" against church rules.
during the week but confess on Sunday and then hit the repeat button on Monday.
That pattern does recur in many Catholic countries, e.g. England prior to Henry VIII. Showtime did a great series called "The Tudors" showing (among other things) how life changed because of his "conversion". Once he got control of both church and state, he began using state power to execute people and confiscate their property for "treason" against church rules.
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Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:39pm
Rin
2018 Sep 10, 2:39pm
curious2 says
Fortunately, hoeing still occurs in England, since the Puritans (see Oliver Cromwell's fanboys) were booted out and unfortunately ... started my hometown of Boston, which is why hoeing only occurs north of the border in my part of the woods.
I don't mind certain areas of Protestantism, in terms of business, education, & general law/order, but they tend to believe that the govt has a role in telling ppl what to do in the bedroom.
That pattern does recur in many Catholic countries, e.g. England prior to Henry VIII. Showtime did a great series called "The Tudors" showing (among other things) how life changed because of his "conversion". Once he got control of both church and state, he began using state power to execute people and confiscate their property for "treason" against church rules.
Fortunately, hoeing still occurs in England, since the Puritans (see Oliver Cromwell's fanboys) were booted out and unfortunately ... started my hometown of Boston, which is why hoeing only occurs north of the border in my part of the woods.
I don't mind certain areas of Protestantism, in terms of business, education, & general law/order, but they tend to believe that the govt has a role in telling ppl what to do in the bedroom.
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Strategist
2018 Sep 10, 7:34pm
Strategist
2018 Sep 10, 7:34pm
Rin says
It's a loophole the Christian God did not think of. Take advantage of it. Perfectly moral.
Muslims are smarter than Allah. They just marry their whores for an hour, and then divorce them. Perfectly moral.
Atheists, the Godless Heathens do the same thing, but they are so immoral. They deserve to rot in hell.
This is not good, if it results in banning hoes.
Remember, Quebec (French Canada) is Catholic majority but the women hoes themselves out because there's a bit of hypocrisy ... bang during the week but confess on Sunday and then hit the repeat button on Monday.
It's a loophole the Christian God did not think of. Take advantage of it. Perfectly moral.
Muslims are smarter than Allah. They just marry their whores for an hour, and then divorce them. Perfectly moral.
Atheists, the Godless Heathens do the same thing, but they are so immoral. They deserve to rot in hell.
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Rin
2018 Sep 11, 7:39am
Rin
2018 Sep 11, 7:39am
Strategist says
Actually, the Calvinists (later Puritans) did plug this loophole with 'Divine Providence' which basically asserts that the world is a reflection of God's work and thus, Puritans tried hard to forge a 'holier than thou' culture, which proved to themselves that they were the anointed ones for God's great work on the Earthly plane. This is why bonking hoes is illegal in America, centuries after Puritanism had ended.
It's a loophole the Christian God did not think of.
Actually, the Calvinists (later Puritans) did plug this loophole with 'Divine Providence' which basically asserts that the world is a reflection of God's work and thus, Puritans tried hard to forge a 'holier than thou' culture, which proved to themselves that they were the anointed ones for God's great work on the Earthly plane. This is why bonking hoes is illegal in America, centuries after Puritanism had ended.
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Strategist
2018 Sep 11, 9:13am
Strategist
2018 Sep 11, 9:13am
Rin says
So the Calvinists plugged the loophole, not God. Sadly, no one even bothered to plug the other crap in the Bible. So here, let me do it.
By the will of God - Divine Providence, I hereby declare an addition to the 10 Commandments:
11. Thou shall have no slaves.
Can I get the Nobel Peace Prize now?
Strategist saysIt's a loophole the Christian God did not think of.
Actually, the Calvinists (later Puritans) did plug this loophole with 'Divine Providence'
So the Calvinists plugged the loophole, not God. Sadly, no one even bothered to plug the other crap in the Bible. So here, let me do it.
By the will of God - Divine Providence, I hereby declare an addition to the 10 Commandments:
11. Thou shall have no slaves.
Can I get the Nobel Peace Prize now?
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A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins
Dear friends,
The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!
What most Muslims will say:
Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.
What knowledgeable Muslims should say:
That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.
What the Qur'an Teaches Us:
We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).
The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.
Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.
Arabic translation الترجمة العربية
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