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Islam and Violence


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2007 Sep 11, 1:35am   609,834 views  2,855 comments

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Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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2816   AmericanKulak   2024 Sep 29, 11:30am  

A Syrian refugee armed with a machete has set multiple fires and slashed over 30 people, including 8 seriously injured children, in the culturally-enriched German city of Essen. He also drove a van into two storefronts, wrecking them.

Per the Swiss media, "A patrol car crew was able to arrest a suspect in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene. The suspect is a 41-year-old man from Essen with Syrian nationality. According to media reports, he had a knife and a machete with him.

The criminal investigation department has taken over the investigation and is examining the connections between the crimes. The specific motives of the arrested man are also being investigated."
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1840324121831329915
2817   Patrick   2024 Sep 29, 3:24pm  

Islamic violence against random innocent people repeats endlessly.

And the news never says the truth: that violence is because of Islam.
2818   AmericanKulak   2024 Sep 29, 7:04pm  

Saudi Arabian Prince Salman:

“The Palestinian issue doesn't concern me. I only care about my own country.”

It has been banned to deliver sermons or pray for Palestine in mosques in Saudi Arabia.

Chanting slogans for Palestine is prohibited in the country.
https://x.com/EuropeInvasionn/status/1840282371389600196
2819   Patrick   2024 Sep 29, 7:24pm  

I see that Israel and Saudi Arabia get along well, but find it confusing.
2820   AmericanKulak   2024 Sep 29, 7:28pm  

Iran is using the 3H Club to encircle the Gulf States, is pro-Shi'a everywhere, and the Sunni Arabs don't want that.

That is what the crowd that gets it's news from Qatari-Iranian-Russian (always strangely aligned with Shi'a since before the Cold War) doesn't understand, that's why all the non-Shia Sunni Muslims and Christians are partying in Beirut.

Sunnis and Shi'a see themselves are far more of a threat than either sees Israel.
2821   stereotomy   2024 Sep 30, 10:05am  

The point of intra-islamist violence is to determine who eventually conquers (or outbreeds, for the musselmen are better at raping than fighting) the world. The Wahabis are a minority Sunni sect. The Shias are much more numerous than the Wahabis, but less numerous than the Sunnis in general. Then there are the Sufis (mostly East Asian Buddhist-influence). They have to exterminate the other rivals so that a pure islam can carry on the struggle.
2822   gabbar   2024 Sep 30, 11:52am  

Patrick says

I see that Israel and Saudi Arabia get along well, but find it confusing.

Mohammed Bin Salman is doing what is good for Saudi Arabia, that is Nation First, unlike.......you know who.
2824   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 4:48pm  

As hundreds of concerned British citizens are sitting in cells.

I'd like to remind everyone that 3 police officers were injured, a woman receiving a broken nose, by a Pakistani family at Manchester Airport, all on cctv.

And the CPS still haven't charged any of them!
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1841778354225025084

That's right. The Muslims that punched a female immigration officer in the nose at an airport STILL haven't been charged.

Meanwhile, Qatari assets like the Groypers and Blitzerian and the Tates are smearing Tommy.
2826   HeadSet   2024 Oct 3, 7:47pm  

What was that about? Do they eat camels?
2827   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 9:54pm  

No idea. The Saudis banned camel slaughter doing the Haj.

I know they drink camel piss and think it cures many diseases.
2828   Blue   2024 Oct 3, 10:07pm  

HeadSet says

What was that about? Do they eat camels?

That is how they kill animals, the most gruesome way! Its called Halal (certified) food!
2829   gabbar   2024 Oct 5, 6:20pm  

Blue says

Do they eat camels?

Yes, its common in Middle East.
2830   Patrick   2024 Oct 9, 11:47am  

https://notthebee.com/article/the-fbi-just-arrested-an-afghan-immigrant-who-was-planning-an-election-day-attack-guess-how-long-hes-been-here-for


The FBI has arrested an Afghan man who officials say was inspired by the Islamic State militant organization and was plotting an Election Day attack targeting large crowds in the U.S., the Justice Department said Tuesday. ...

[27-year-old Nasir Ahmad Tawhedi], who arrived in the U.S. in 2021, had taken steps in recent weeks to advance his attack plans, including by ordering AK-47 rifles, liquidating his family's assets and buying one-way tickets for his wife and child to travel home to Afghanistan.

According to the criminal complaint, as part of the investigation into Tawhedi, the FBI searched Tawhedi's phone and obtained communications between Tawhedi and a person who facilitated recruitment, training, and indoctrination of persons who expressed interest in terrorist activity and who Tawhedi understood to be affiliated with ISIS. Tawhedi was also seen in a video recorded on July 20 reading to two children text that describes the rewards a martyr receives in the afterlife. Tawhedi also allegedly accessed, viewed, and saved ISIS propaganda on his iCloud and Google account, participated in pro-ISIS Telegram groups, and contributed to a charity which fronts for and funnels money to ISIS.

The complaint alleges that while liquidating their family's assets prior to the attack, Tawhedi and his co-conspirator, who is a juvenile, advertised the sale of the family's personal property on Facebook.

Tawhedi entered the U.S. on a special immigrant visa, a program that permits eligible Afghans who helped Americans despite great personal risk to themselves and their loved ones to apply for entry into America with their families.
2831   SoTex   2024 Oct 10, 6:54am  

gabbar says

Yes, its common in Middle East.


You'd think they would pick a better place to do that rather than the pavement.
2834   Patrick   2024 Oct 12, 12:34pm  

I never heard of the Garba dance before. Seems to be a Hindu thing:


2836   KgK one   2024 Oct 13, 11:54am  

Patrick says

I never heard of the Garba dance before. Seems to be a Hindu thing:




Yes some of the largest dance parties all over with 150,000 people dancing to celebrate 9 days of women's life phases/ powers.
Also dramatisation of the fight between Goddess Durga – Power of Shakti and Mahishasur – the Demon King
2838   Patrick   2024 Oct 14, 1:08pm  

https://stream.org/if-western-laws-were-actually-enforced-the-koran-would-be-banned/


Consider how the UN Strategy and Plan of Action on Hate Speech defines the term:

Any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor.

That is precisely what the Koran does: Islam’s holy book repeatedly “attacks” — including by using “pejorative and discriminatory language” — people “based on their religion.”

Consider just these passages about Christianity:

“[T]he Christians say the Christ is the son of God … may Allah’s curse be upon them!” (Koran 9:30)
“Infidels are they who say God is one of three” (a reference to the Christian Trinity; Koran 5:73)
“Infidels are they who say God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary” (Koran 5:72)
It is impossible to understand how much animosity for Christians is being expressed in these verses without first understanding the Arabic word kafir (often translated as “infidel” or merely “non-Muslim”). The Koran refers to kuffar (plural form of kafir) as inherently “guilty” and “unjust” (10:17, 45:31, 68:35); terror is to be cast into their hearts (3:151); they are the “vilest of beasts” (8:55, 98:6), comparable to “cattle” and “devoid of understanding” (47:12, 8:65); they are natural “enemies” to Muslims (4:101), “disliked” and “accursed” by Allah (2:89, 3:32, 33:64), who further declares himself their implacable “enemy” (2:98).

This is how the Koran describes all who believe Jesus is the Son of God, even if they have never once spoken against or harmed Islam. This also is why Islam commands Muslims to hate every non-Muslim — even if they are related or married to them ...

Incidentally, we haven’t even begun to look at the many verses that are not just hate-filled but actually call for violence and killing people on the basis of their religion. Koran 9:5 calls on Muslims to “kill the polytheists wherever you find them — capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way.” (Is it any wonder that Muslims have slaughtered some 400 million Hindus?)

Koran 9:29 calls for nonstop war against Christians and Jews (collectively known as the “people of the book”) until they convert or pay tribute (jizya) and accept living as second-class, regularly humiliated and oppressed subjects of the Islamic state.

The grandest irony of all is that the “hate” Muslims claim to experience — and to which they respond with great violence and bloodshed around the world — revolves around silly things like cartoons or the burning of a book, which are performed by individuals who represent only themselves. On the other hand, Islam itself, through its holiest and most authoritative book, hates on and calls for violence against all non-Muslims.
2839   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 14, 9:26pm  




“Get out of here, we don’t want you here. We are Muslims and you disgust us. You don’t belong in our cause.”
2840   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 17, 10:59pm  

Dr Philip Kiszely
@KiszelyPhilip
It was in Manchester. I’d just been beaten and stabbed by a gang of six Somali teenagers.

I was mid-way through my PhD at the time, and working as a tutor in a university halls of residence to pay my way. One of the other tutors - an older, Palestine-obsessed Corbyn/Livingstone-type - was concerned only with how the attack might reflect negatively on the black community.

I realised it was a disease.
https://x.com/KiszelyPhilip/status/1846682039552008359

1989. I was a child. My family were attacked in Bradford city centre less than 100m from the scene of this picture by fanatics violently rioting against Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses for its ‘blasphemy’. The police didn’t wade in to restore order. One of my earliest memories.


https://x.com/Compo_Simonnite/status/1846831574706249902

Still today they go after Rushdie. The worst aren’t the fanatic lunatics. More loathsome are the soft liberals — “I don’t support the fatwa or stabbing but he really should have been more sensitive” — even Hitchens, among the last honest leftists, hated this barbaric attitude.
https://x.com/thetenthjuror/status/1847029834481828016
2841   gabbar   2024 Oct 18, 1:10pm  

Tylenol isnt going to help Yahya Sinwar

2842   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 22, 1:22pm  

“You must be stupid if you think I'm gonna do two minutes silence 9/11.”

“Omg it's 9/11 today. Jokes. I only noticed.”

“Kuffar lips have been all over my mug, there is no way I'm using that thing again."

These are just some of the posts British Met Police Special Constable Ruby Begum has admitted to posting online.

Begum told a misconduct hearing that she shouldn't be sacked.

Ruby Begum was hailed an inspirational role model after footage showing her bravely confronting anti-lockdown protesters while wearing a hijab went viral two years ago.

2843   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 23, 12:04am  

Isreal store.

Zoom in on the sticker wrapped around her rifle clip.


2844   Patrick   2024 Oct 23, 9:43am  

Nice touch how the sticker leaves out the vowels, like Hebrew does.
2845   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 25, 5:00pm  

AmericanKulak says


Ruby Begum was hailed an inspirational role model after footage showing her bravely confronting anti-lockdown protesters while wearing a hijab went viral two years ago.

They actually fired her instead of making her take some on-the-clock paid sensitivity training.

Though she said "Pakis", which is probably a third of London, more than anything else. Considered a Slur for some weird reason.
2852   Patrick   2024 Nov 8, 4:01pm  

It is definitely insulting that Muslims refuse to greet non-Muslims.
2853   Patrick   2024 Nov 10, 3:47pm  

https://rairfoundation.com/sweden-crushes-free-speech-politicianrasmus-paludan-jailed-daring/


In a decision that has ignited fierce debate over the limits of free speech and judicial interpretation, Danish-Swedish politician and lawyer Rasmus Paludan was sentenced to four months in prison by the Malmö District Court. The case, rooted in Paludan’s 2022 Quran-burning protests and speeches on Islam, questions the extent of free expression protections in Sweden, the weaponization of courts to target political opponents, and the lengths the Swedish government will go to appease Islam.

Background on the Conviction

Paludan’s conviction centers on a rally he held on April 16, 2022, near Malmö, which was followed by massive violent attacks and riots by Islamic migrants who were welcomed into Sweden. In a highly symbolic act, he burned the Quran, criticizing Islam and calling for an open debate on immigration and their lack of integration. His speeches targeted religious censorship, which he argued stifles freedom of expression, and demanded an open dialogue in Sweden. Paludan also responded to a man with a criminal history who disrupted his speech by telling him to “go home to Africa.” The court ruled that this, combined with Paludan’s statements on Islam, amounted to “slandering Islam” and incitement against an ethnic group. ...

In effect, the court is conceding that areas with high Muslim populations will erupt in unrest if their religion is criticized or not represented in the way they demand. Rather than just holding violent actors accountable, this decision shifts the blame onto Paludan himself, holding him responsible for protesters’ militant and violent responses, which included attacking police and threatening the lives of all non-Muslim Swedes.
2855   Patrick   2024 Nov 14, 7:22pm  

A friend sent me this link:

https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1856687890568270038

but X told me it did not exist:



So he took a screenshot:



What is going on? Is it not visible just because I'm not logged in?

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