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I did read some time back: Around 2-3 Million divorces every year in US.

I've wondered what happens in a divorce if one side refuses to sell. I don't see one single fair way to handle that. Obviously if both sides agree then there is no problem but I would hate to be forced to sell something in a downturn. Unfortunately most people don't have the means to buy the other out and even if they did then the argument would be that it wasn't at a fair price and the only way to determine a fair price is to see what the market would bear. Sort of like drowning a woman to prove she isn't a witch, it's hard to undo.

“We’re seeing judges decide to wait, based on the assumption that the market will improve in the summer or fall.

Oh goody - this means more inventory will rush to market _after_ prices have gone down YOY this summer... so far, it looks like even MOM prices are slipping in most places.

Bartender, get that judge a beer and put it on my tab! Is there a smiley for 'rubbing my hands in gleeful anticipation' of unintended consequences?

The worst is when each side has to write a check to cover the loss on the house. Then it gets comical, except that somehow it usually is the poor guy who covers the whole loss, and then on top of it gets to pay the wife's lawyer who she retained with the joint credit card which in the divorce decree gets paid off by the guy.

For life of me I can’t figure out how a firm w/ their reputation allowed a manager to run aground like that.

Hedge funds are mostly for play money, right?

"Then worst part is when..."

Well actually, it CAN get worse!

When you and your MEW-based (and mutually completely underwater) wife decides it's "o.k" if Ramone spends the weekend and would it be alright if you sleep on the couch?

Malcolm,

It's fair for the person who want to be done with the house and ready to take whatever comes/goes with it. It may be a little unfair for one who wants to hold out. But then, you are not sure how long it's going to take to get good price. I think, it's fair to both of them if they can agree on a reasonable time frame of 3-6 months and be happy with they can get.

Then you find out "Ramone" is a midget.

Oh Ramone!

Oh Ramone!

sa Says:
I did read some time back: Around 2-3 Million divorces every year in US.

I figure that number will go up this year - take away the bubble-goggles and a lot of people will realize their dreams aren't quite coming true - and in the grand tradition of married couples everywhere, they will blame their problems on spouse. :-)

I already know of one couple (neighbor of a friend) who bought last year in Saratoga (iffy neighborhood, near the YMCA). It was one of those "Suzanne" cases, where the wife pushed and finally they caved in last summer. Husband got his layoff notice in January. Sometime in February, cops were called in for a domestic dispute. Husband moved out. Real Cinderella story, circa 12.01 AM.

BTW: Bubble-Goggles (tm)

I knew a guy that got divorced after like 13 years and after his "southern belle" wife raked him over the coals she bought a house 3 doors down. She CONSTANTLY came over when we were jamming on electric guitars interrupting for this, that or the other trivial thing.

(I secretly suspected she called him by her new (and fit) live-in boyfriend's name just to chap his ass)

The guy was an FDIC auditor for crissakes! What could he possibly done that was so wrong!?

lol @ DinOR

Saint Paul vs. Helicopter Ben:

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=7925

Divorce rate went up quite a bit in Japan after the bubble popped. But we are already at 50%+ divorce rate, anyone is predicting 80% by the time we are done with depression?

That will be fun, when we give wedding gift, we will give his and her wedding gift, just to save them a few bucks over dispute of who gets what.

DinOR Says:

> We had two young quad riders in Christmas Valley riding
> double and hit a sudden drop off. The 20 year old girl met
> a rock (lots of those out there) face first and died on the spot.
> The guy is a vegetable. The Consumer Federation is moving
> to have them outlawed. They’ve had their chance to act
> responsibly.

Liberals can’t seem to understand that things like guns and quad runners are not the problem it is stupid people. Since stupid people tend to vote for liberal politicians they rarely make any laws (like life in prison for gun crimes or loss of a quad runner for illegal use) to punish the stupid people who vote for them. One of these days some liberal politician is going to discover that men in Nike high top sneakers are shooting each other and outlaw Nike high tops to “solve” the problem…

OO Says:

> Divorce rate went up quite a bit in Japan after the
> bubble popped. But we are already at 50%+ divorce
> rate, anyone is predicting 80% by the time we are
> done with depression?

Over 50% of “marriages” end in divorce but a lot less than 50% of “people” get divorced (many people get divorced many times). I just read a study that people with college degrees who get married after 26 years old and come from intact families of the same faith have just under a 10% divorce rate…

NVR,

Oh.. he finally got her goat. He dated this Thai gal whose name I think translated to "I have more sex on accident than most people do on PURPOSE!"

Lord, what a total hottie. Since my wife is asian too they kind of hit it off. I remember Mrs. DinOR saying "You know we really talked a lot and the first thing that struck me is just what a nice person she is".

Yeah honey (that's the first thing that struck me too!) :)

I knew if "I" was thinking "What a lucky guy!" his X was torturing herself endlessly.

Liberals can’t seem to understand that things like guns and quad runners are not the problem it is stupid people.

Perhaps because calling people stupid is "politically incorrect."

Liberal Extremism is not a disease. It is a crime against Nature.

like life in prison for gun crimes or loss of a quad runner for illegal use

Life sentences cost too much. We should bring back the hangman.

On the other hand, youth stupidity is a product of mandatory education.

The only reason the DOW is not at or below 10,000 right now is the influence of the invisible hand in mitigating a cascade of self reinforcing FEAR that has gripped the markets numerous times.

Unsure of the glasses through which history will judge their efforts, but measured by avoidance of margin call wealth cascading wealth destruction their efforts have been an unqualified success. Clearly they prefer not to advertise this success lest the sheeple become aware of added complexity of the casino rigged game.

Housing prices downward slide will be the causal factor dragging down the DOW. As strange as it may seen, it is overlooked that about 90% of homeowners do not think "their" house has lost any value whatsoever. (This was result of survey I read a month back or so, unfortunately no longer have the reference. It went by unnoticed here but think I found it on P's front page)

As house prices really deteriorate in earnest, clearly the worse is yet to come, we will see the herd protecting assets despite amateur comprehension of market vis a vis Cramer Orman educations. Pleas to stay put long term and not panic will go unheeded. Despite low returns, fear will take hold and money will move out. Job loss and fear of job loss will move money out.

The big smart money is sitting firmly on the sideline until the trickle of blood in the streets turns into a river.

And of course fundamentals will continue to deteriorate. The slow parade of bad news will continue unabated. Earning shockers coming across most sectors. Shareholder pressure to reduce human capital expense will create a *positive* feedback loop.

I just read a study that people with college degrees who get married after 26 years old and come from intact families of the same faith have just under a 10% divorce rate…

Faith is the most important part. Although I have zero faith in the parasite called humanity, I have absolute faith in the Supreme Being and myself.

FAB,

Point taken. I 'did' say, have at it (as long as they're *not bothering anyone else) We'll send the meat wagon 'round and pick up the pieces.

It's just that if you talk to europeans they really don't have any concept of what "off-roading" is all about? There really aren't any public lands to go out there and "tear it up". Don't get me wrong, I go out to Christmas Valley w/ friends too, but when your eyes look like to p!ss holes in the snow (time to give it up!)

Isn't it true that there are no stupid questions - only stupid people? :)

I know that beer-goggles make women appear more attractive. Do bubble-goggles have the opposite effect?

He dated this Thai gal whose name I think translated to “I have more sex on accident than most people do on PURPOSE!”

Oh man :-)) You are on a roll today Mr. !

StuckInBA,

I'll never forget the first time my buddy introduced me to her. The Portland Beavers (Triple A) game was about ready to start and I was "briskly" approaching the bar at the club. She was wearing a white halter top and skin-tight low rise jeans and since I knew my buddy couldn't land a hot chick (no matter HOW much he made) I... thought she was a waitress!

Dumb.

I just about opened my big dumb mouth to say "I'll have TWO Buds" and my buddy caught me and said "D! I'd like you to meet..." Oh thank GOD! I've never been drunk enough to address a friend's date as a bar maid and I hope I never do! :)

Isn’t it true that there are no stupid questions - only stupid people?

The only stupid "question" is not asking. :)

What's WAMU going to be? Countrywide or Bear?

Countrywide was eaten by BofA
Bear was eaten by JP
WaMu will be Wells?

Some arranged marriage is out there. Not sure who is one of the stronger ones left.

A Poverty Czar?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/04cnd-campaign.html?hp

We need a cabinet-level Pancake Czar too!

Free Market is the best weapon in the War Against Poverty.

DennisN Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:00 am
"Do bubble-goggles have the opposite effect?"

Yes, during the bubble unattractive men seem attractive to pretty women, when it pops its like they sober up and realize they are just with a bald guy who is now even poorer than the guys they turned their noses up at before. You gotta love our society.

sa Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:01 am
"Malcolm,
It’s fair for the person who want to be done with the house and ready to take whatever comes/goes with it. It may be a little unfair for one who wants to hold out. But then, you are not sure how long it’s going to take to get good price. I think, it’s fair to both of them if they can agree on a reasonable time frame of 3-6 months and be happy with they can get."

No doubt, but when there is no agreement and some guy was happy with his house before and now has to sell it because some gold digger is abusing a no fault state's divorce system then it seems like it is a sucky situation to be in. Most things can be worked out when reasonable people have an open dialogue, it's when someone is forced to take the short end of the stick that I become concerned.

No fault divorces should be outlawed. If there was no fault there would be no justification for a divorce.

WaMu will be Wells?
Wells is busy building up its war chest for the acquisition.

Wells Fargo customers will have to dig deeper into their pocket when taking money out of another financial institution's ATMs.
The San Francisco bank raised the fee this week by 50 cents to $2.50.
That fee is in addition to the charge imposed by the owner of the ATM. So a Wells customer pulling twenty bucks out of an ATM at a Bank of America branch will pay more than a fourth of that amount to the two banks: $2.50 to Wells and $3 to BofA.
Life will get interesting when we only have a handful of banks to choose from.

DinOR,

You think you almost committed a faux pas?

When I moved into my house here, I went over and rang the bell on my new neighbor's house. What appeared to be a teenage girl answered the door. I almost asked "is your mother at home" but for some reason didn't. It turns out she is the lady of the house and has 3 kids, the oldest of which is 4.

Man some of these Mormon brides sure look young.

Damned. Hillbilly raked in $109 Million since 2000.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_taxes;_ylt=Ah1rs9.CEIO1ctNPJVbdYe6s0NUE

Why would you put up with politics when you could just have such a wonderful life with that much scratch?

Why would you put up with politics when you could just have such a wonderful life with that much scratch?

The reflexivity of money and power?

Money brings power.
Power brings money.

Why would you put up with politics when you could just have such a wonderful life with that much scratch?

Everybody's gotta have a hobby. Plus the White House stocks sweet... uh, cigars. Yeehawww!

How about this? The former CEO of Bare Sterns donated huge amounts of money so poor old guys could get free Viagra.

www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/weekinreview/30word.html?pagewanted=2&ref=weekinreview

Alan C. Greenberg bettered his own life by becoming rich on Wall Street, and yesterday he gave away $1 million of that money to better the lives of other aging men in a very specific way: He will pay for Viagra prescriptions for people who cannot afford them.

“I guess you could say I’m kind of into basics,” said Mr. Greenberg, 70, the chairman of Bear, Stearns Companies, who received a $20 million bonus last year.

DennisN asked: Do bubble-goggles have the opposite effect?

Bubble-Goggles (tm) distort everything you see, especially about yourself.

Debt feels like wealth.

Your middle-aged spouse looks reasonably dashing in [his shiny new Boxster] / [her shiny new SUV].

Your kids seem to bother you less because you buy them a new video-game "system" every year. And they seem cuter because you dress them in designer duds.

Your crappy tv-shows look better because you are watching them on that new plasma tv that you bought on a delayed payment plan.

Then, one day, you bump into reality and get the Bubble-Goggles (tm) knocked off... and realize you are married to a middle-aged, overweight, unattractive no-hoper with a bad attitude, your kids are a bunch of spoilt brats with no sense of responsibility, and that house you bought is now worth a little less than what you owe. And you, you aren't so hot yourself...

... and oh yeah, I almost forgot the most important thing... you aren't the real-estate tycoon that you fancied yourself to be.

In separate statements Friday morning, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama supported another stimulus package and an extension of unemployment benefits, among other measures. In contrast, John McCain, acknowledging that “many Americans are hurting,” said that lower taxes and less regulation would generate jobs.

“People have been focused on the housing crisis, and rightly so,” said Andrew Stettner, a policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project, “but now the deterioration in the job market should be demanding much more attention from policy makers.”