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Palestinian Strategy


               
2008 Dec 31, 4:19am   1,521 views  15 comments

by Patrick   follow (59)  

While the Palestinians have many legitimate grievances against Israel, mainly the forcible displacement from their land, their strategy for resistance has been stunningly counterproductive.

Each suicide bombing sets back the Palestinian cause, pretty much guaranteeing that whatever sympathy Palestinians may have generated abroad will instantly dissipate. The deliberate slaughter of Israeli civilians, while perhaps emotionally satisfying to those who are religiously inspired by Mohammed's own slaughter of Jews, not only does nothing to actually help the Palestinians, but solidifies Israeli and international support for harsh responses.

Arabs, and Muslims in particular, start from a disadvantage in that western culture has for more than a thousand years perceived them as the enemy. Each act of terrorism only confirms the subliminal cultural message that Islam is irrational and violent. A more successful approach would have to be more humane, more creative, and aware of basic human psychology. A few ideas:

* Any violent attacks should be directed only at armed Israeli soldiers and never under any circumstances at civilians. The image of a poorly armed Palestinian resisting a well-armed Israeli man has exactly the opposite effect of a well-armed Palestinian massacring Israeli women and children. Remember the image of that one guy with a briefcase in Tienanmen square, standing up to a tank? That's the kind of great image that the Palestinians need.

* Bandanas, Korans, and AK-47's all have to go. Images of angry men chanting in Arabic, holding Korans and guns is exactly the sort of thing the Israeli government would love to create to show how crazy Palestinians are. But they don't have to -- it's a free gift from Palestinians themselves!

* Renunciation of violence altogether would have an even larger effect, especially in conjunction with real images of Israelis harming Palestinians.

* Demonstration of willingness to live together, and careful continuous cultivation of foreign support would do a great deal to get other countries to pressure Israel to treat Palestinians better. Study Nelson Mandela's actions from his jail cell. He learned Afrikaans, for example.

* To really think outside the box, consider mass conversions to Judaism. I know this is a non-starter with any devout Muslim, but imagine the consternation of Israelis trying to figure out what to do with millions of new Jews! Where would they settle them? Back in their own houses on their own land? This could also exploit a historical division between European and Arab/Sephardic Jews. The Palestinians could come in on the side of the Arab Jews, tipping Israeli politics in their favor. Anyway, Islam and Judaism are quite similar, and most Palestinians probably have some Jewish ancestry to begin with.

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1   TechGromit   2009 Jun 11, 7:59am  

Frustrated terrorists aren't the most logical thinking people. They want to lash out as somebody and it's a lot easier to lash out as someone that doesn't have guns, body armor and tanks. The Taliban aren't much smarter, they sucide bombed a Mosque in Pakistan, killing scores of civilians. The locals are now banding together to fight them. What a way to win local support for your cause. While any religion can be twisted to benifit a cause, (think of Jones Town, Waco and the Crusades) the Islam seems particular venerable to extermism. I believe education is the key here, the less educated the population is, the more likely they are going to beleive what someone tells them. Critical thinking isn't an uneducated person's strong points. Actually I beleive anytime someone reads a religious book and interupts it for you, your placing yourself in a dangerous position. To blindly follow someone without question, and you have another Hitler or Stalin in the making. Absolute power corrupts. Actually i beleive all religions are scams but that just me.

2   resistance   2009 Jun 11, 8:22am  

Critical thinking isn’t an uneducated person’s strong points. Actually I beleive anytime someone reads a religious book and interupts it for you, your placing yourself in a dangerous position. To blindly follow someone without question, and you have another Hitler or Stalin in the making. Absolute power corrupts. Actually i beleive all religions are scams but that just me.

Critical thinking is the exact opposite of religion, IMHO. Yet you do sometimes find them both in the same brain somehow. There are scientists who are very skeptical and careful about science, but then willingly believe religious absurdities. So maybe education alone won't do it. There is some missing piece.

I totally agree letting others interpret religious books for you is a step towards fascism. And I think fascism begets religion too, like millions of Germans worshipped Hitler. Had Hitler won, today we would be calling him a prophet and it would be very risky to speak ill of him, exactly like it's risky to publicly point out Mohammed's nastier activities (rape, pedophila, theft, murder) even though they are official Islamic history. The only difference is that Mohammed won, while Hitler lost.

3   TechGromit   2009 Jun 11, 9:17am  

As the old saying goes, The winners Write History.

The only real problem I have with the history of the Holocaust is all you hear about is all the death and suffering 6 million Jewish people endured. You have almost nothing about the 5 million+ other people the died during the Holocaust. (gypsies, ethnic Poles, the Romani, Soviet civilians, Soviet prisoners of war, people with disabilities, gay men, and political and religious opponents). Oh, wait there not Jewish, guess they don't count.

4   Patrick   2009 Jun 11, 12:05pm  

Twenty million Russians died in WWII, I think. But they were Godless Communists, so who cares. BTW, they won WWII, not the US. It was the Russians who marched into Berlin.

And let's forget that 7 million Germans died in WWII as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I could go on for a long time about the Holocaust. To be fair, most Holocaust museums do briefly mention the other groups who were massacred by the Nazis. But to be the winner of the "victimization olympics" has huge political rewards, and so other groups get shorter shrift.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry

Just ask the Armenians, who I think lost a greater percentage in their genocide than the Jews did, but they just can't get any acknowledgement. Most people just don't know where Armenia is or what happened.
5   Patrick   2025 Sep 9, 8:33am  

https://www.aol.com/articles/palestinian-beer-defies-odds-goes-081936608.html


A Palestinian beer managed to find its way to British store shelves this week from the Israeli-occupied West Bank despite onerous border checks, a distance of some 2,500 miles (4,000 kilometers) and a raging war in the region.

How it got here is a story of an unlikely bond between brewers in arms.

“My grandfather used to say, if you can make it succeed and happen in Palestine, you can succeed anywhere else in the world,” said Madees Khoury, brewmaster at Taybeh Brewing Co. and daughter and niece of the founders. “Because of these challenges and obstacles that we go through — it just makes you stronger.”

The narrative of Taybeh Brewing Co. is one of repeatedly defying the odds.

Start with the most basic fact: the company produces and sells a microbrew among a predominantly Muslim population that shuns alcohol for religious reasons.


Khoury is a Christian surname, so it's not quite so shocking. There used to be a lot of Palestinian Christians in the West Bank, mostly Greek Orthodox, I think, but they have largely left and moved to Europe and America.

The Christian Palestinians are pretty easy to assimilate, because they actually will have a beer and a bacon cheeseburger with you, and are never suicide bombers like the Muslim Palestinians are.

It's a good controlled experiment showing that people coming from the same area and of the same genetics are very different depending on whether they are Christian or Muslim. And that goes back to the teachings of Jesus (forgiveness and peace) vs Mohammed (murder and war).
6   Eric_Holder   2025 Sep 9, 12:24pm  

The whole "Palestinian people" is a hoax created by Stalin and basically follows the Soviet pattern of arbitrary creating some "peoples" when then need to sow and then exploit chaos (like "Moldovan people", "Transdnistria people", "Dumb-Ass people", etc). "Palestinians" have no separate language, religion or culture from Egypt and Jordan Arabs, who they basically are.
7   Patrick   2025 Sep 9, 12:55pm  

That's true. Still, the Israelis did force most of them out of the land they've lived on for a long time.
8   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Sep 9, 4:16pm  

lol their whole “you can’t leave, we need you to be a human shield” thing….it really seems like the mainstream US media should be mentioning that.
9   socal2   2025 Sep 9, 7:19pm  

Patrick says

That's true. Still, the Israelis did force most of them out of the land they've lived on for a long time.


And Islamists have forced millions of Christians, Jews, Druze, Yezidis and Bahai from their land in recent years.

Time to move the fuck on and stop holding Israel to much higher standard living next door to murderous barbarians. Especially when Israel critics say fuck all about the ancient Christian communities recently eradicated by Islam.
10   Patrick   2025 Sep 9, 7:29pm  

It's wrong when Muslims do it as well.

I'm not holding any group to any different standard.
11   socal2   2025 Sep 9, 7:36pm  

Patrick says

It's wrong when Muslims do it as well.

I'm not holding any group to any different standard.


It’s like blaming Christian Crusaders for reclaiming land previously conquered by Islam.

But whatever. Let’s continue to entertain Islam’s faux grievances.
12   Patrick   2025 Sep 9, 7:40pm  

I'm not a fan of Islam at all, as you can probably tell from this site.

But it's still wrong to expel people from the land they've lived on for generations, even if they are Muslims.

It's far away and it's not my fight. My only real complaint is that the US is assisting Israel rather than assisting Americans with that money.
13   AmenCorner_AntiPanican   2025 Dec 16, 2:13am  

Patrick says


It's wrong when Muslims do it as well.

I'm not holding any group to any different standard.

What's the statute of limitations on settler colonialist occupation?

Constantinople was only taken in 1452. So if Indians (~1500) can take back their land from "colonial powers", doesn't Greece have a claim on occupied Constantinople and the Asian ("Turkish") Aegean Coast?

Palestinianism is a Soviet-manufactured Death Cult that has characteristics beyond Islam. It contains a heady dose of "Liberating Violence" professed by spoiled brat Fanon (from a well off family of French Mulattos/Creoles that were government administrators). The Fanon-Marx connection is why defense by Westerners is intolerable evil but wanton violence by the "Oppressed" is good and liberating, which encapsulates the whole CryBully mentality shared by Woke generally: Good to bomb you, but evil to bomb me or even just expel or fence me off.

*Indians as in feather, not dot.
14   AmenCorner_AntiPanican   2025 Dec 16, 3:14am  

Here’s one for you…

What would Brown University and the Providence Police Department have done differently if they didn’t actually want the shooter caught?

Think about that.
15   Patrick   2025 Dec 16, 8:37am  

FreeAmericanDOP says

Constantinople was only taken in 1452. So if Indians (~1500) can take back their land from "colonial powers", doesn't Greece have a claim on occupied Constantinople and the Asian ("Turkish") Aegean Coast?


A lot of the Turks are really Greeks and Armenians who were converted to Islam and speaking Turkish over centuries.

So maybe the US should actively encourage Turks to revert to their previous religion and language.

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