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Why can't we find a non-crappy house for $500k-$600k in lower Fairfield County, CT?
2011 Jun 1, 5:50am 14,471 views 35 comments
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HousingWatcher
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2011 Jun 2, 3:01am
Did someone say that Connecticut has lower taxes than NY?
Bucking Trend, Connecticut Budget Deal Raises Taxes, Gasoline Excepted
Driving against traffic in an antitax era, Connecticut lawmakers appear poised to approve a two-year, $40.2 billion budget that includes $1.5 billion in increased taxes on income, corporations and an array of purchases and services, from yachts to yoga classes.
The budget would increase marginal tax rates on incomes over $100,000 for joint filers, $50,000 for single filers and married people filing separately, and $80,000 for heads of households.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/nyregion/tax-increases-stand-out-in-connecticut-budget-deal.html
Did someone say that Connecticut has lower taxes than NY?
No. We said that Greenwich, Darien & Westport have very low property taxes and that Westchester County's property taxes are generally much higher than Fairfield County's.
batakdepores
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2011 Jun 2, 5:44am
The difference between Greenwich/Darien vs. Westchester/Nassau County is that those who live in crappy houses in the former can afford to live in it longer because of the relatively MUCH cheaper property tax than those who live in crappy homes in the latter.
Therefore, the argument of those crappy homes in Greenwich/Darien is that most of asking price is "land value."
The sad part is that, even if I can find $100K land in Scarsdale and build a $400K house, I can't still afford to live there because of the high property tax. Now imagine you're a retiree/empty nester, it's no longer make sense for you to live in a single family home in Scarsdale unless you have a Trust Fund to help you pay taxes.
The same situation in Greenwich, on the other hand, is affordable, but there is no such thing as $100K land unless you're talking about Byram Section.
As for Tenant in Foreclosed House, I have the same frustration but I'm pursuing an alternative. You can email me.
The difference between Greenwich/Darien vs. Westchester/Nassau County is that those who live in crappy houses in the former can afford to live in it longer because of the relatively MUCH cheaper property tax than those who live in crappy homes in the latter.
Therefore, the argument of those crappy homes in Greenwich/Darien is those most of asking price is “land value.â€
I believe what batak is saying is that property tax costs can be internalized in property values to reflect cost of ownership. If property taxes are low, property values may be higher to compensate, and vice versa. The total cost of ownership may be similar, so in order to compare apples to apples, you need to consider all costs of ownership, instead of only the most obvious factor which is house price.
Similarly, in California, Prop 13 keeps property tax artificially low for long holding periods, to the point where Prop 13 causes property values to be inflated to account for this savings. Younger generations effectively pay upfront for this long-term benefit.
Another example: The mortgage interest deduction is actually incorporated into the price of homes. If we removed the mortgage interest deduction tomorrow, the housing prices would slowly adjust downward (because the housing market is illiquid and sticky) to compensate for the loss of the deduction. So yes, you get a "discount," but the price you pay for the house is already higher to account for this discount.
This happens with a variety of factors.
PasadenaNative
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2011 Jun 4, 9:39am
The question is…why are you in Fairfield County?
Move…go someplace normal…find a regular town in a regular state where you can easily afford a house.
Have some kids.
Get a dog.
Pay off the mortgage in five years.
Take vacations in the “Woody†and go fishing with your offspring.
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B.A.C.A.H.
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2011 Jun 4, 11:01am
I hafta agree with bubba on that one.
Whine, whine, whine....
So the cost of living is high in Cool and Hip NYC posh burbs?
If I wanted to hear whining like that I would just watch some (senator) Barbara Boxer stuff on youtube.
FortWayne
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2011 Jun 5, 3:33am
tenant in foreclosed house says
Besides you live in a foreclosed house, doesn’t cost you a penny to be there
Actually, we do pay rent. Our landlord is pocketing it. I know, it is crazy.
you dont have to pay. if it is foreclosed than he is not the owner and therefore you do not owe him any rent.
he cant evict you if he does not own the place.
ChrisLA says
Besides you live in a foreclosed house, doesn’t cost you a penny to be there
Actually, we do pay rent. Our landlord is pocketing it. I know, it is crazy.
you dont have to pay. if it is foreclosed than he is not the owner and therefore you do not owe him any rent.
he cant evict you if he does not own the place.
Chris LA is providing wrong information. Connecticut is a judicial foreclosure state and can take years to finalize the foreclosure process. Landlord has title and can evict for non payment of rent.
he question is…why are you in Fairfield County?Move…go someplace normal…find a regular town in a regular state where you can easily afford a house.
Have some kids.
Get a dog.
Pay off the mortgage in five years.
Take vacations in the “Woody†and go fishing with your offspring.
hafta agree with bubba on that one.
Whine, whine, whine….
So the cost of living is high in Cool and Hip NYC posh burbs?
If I wanted to hear whining like that I would just watch some (senator) Barbara Boxer stuff on youtube.
Is is not just about the house - it is also about the town with its high-quality schools (a value you may not share?), diversity, very low crime rate, town services, town beach, parks and the career opportunities that come with living near several job centers, including White Plains, Stamford, New York City, and even New Haven. The schools in many "regular" places in this country are, unfortunately, creating an ignorant populace.
Oh, by the way, our roots are here -- family, friends, networks... the things that keep the fabric of communities strong.
CT is not CA. Well, this blog is pretty much CA-centric, and just can't ask californians understand what's going on in the east. Heck, I am in the east and still don't know much about CT. It's not their fault, yours or mine either.
As I told you above, pretty much all good counties arround the city are like that. some specific zipcodes in fairfax county VA, where I have my eyes on, are like that too. The reason I like those few specific area is the same with yours. Quality schools, low crime rate, the quality of neighborhood, and close proximity to the highway. But, I guess what I think important is important to others too. And that's why the home price in certain area won't go down. Rent is also quite high. So what are you gonna do about it? "it's crazy" and sure it is. But screaming it out doesn't help much. It's either take it or leave it sort of thing. For me, I am going to keep up with my saving and see what's gonna happen. If home price go down, good for me. If not, well... but I still have more buying power due to the saving.
CT is not CA.
Also, unlike, perhaps, California, school systems in Connecticut are mostly locally funded (unless they are really bad).
zzyzzx
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2011 Jun 6, 2:26am
tenant in foreclosed house says
Shouldn’t fixer-uppers cost $450k?
They should cost a lot less than that.
They should cost a lot less than that.
But that's not baltimore either. ;-)
tenant in foreclosed house says
Also, unlike, perhaps, California, school systems in Connecticut are mostly locally funded (unless they are really bad).
So, is it like NJ? What about police, fire dept etc? Are they locally funded too?
tenant in foreclosed house says
Connecticut is a judicial foreclosure state and can take years to finalize the foreclosure process.
Actually, Connecticut also has strict foreclosure. But yes, its foreclosures by sale are judicial only.
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Yes, Greenwich & Darien have $15 million homes, but they also have lots of 3-br, 1,250 sq. ft. homes that are, frankly, dumps and are very expensive. All homes in the $500s need at least $150k worth of work (like major tree work, new roof, new kitchen, paint jobs, leaks), have major flaws like mildewy basements (or no basement because it is adjacent to a swamp), only one bathroom, rotting wood, no garage, no attic.
Shouldn't fixer-uppers cost $450k?
Is it because underwater sellers are trapped in their houses and can't put them on the market? Are they living for free and have no incentive to sell?
Do short sales really exist?
Some of the area's larger towns have social problems which make those high schools less desirable, so this nuclear family with two young kids is taking them off the table. (Private schools cost $25-$45k per year.)
Ridgefield is too far from civilization (ga$ prices in Conn. are among the nation's highest), has much higher taxes than Greenwich, Darien or Westport and its school budget is being cut (with more to come next year?).
Nearby Westchester County, NY's taxes are much, much higher.
AP says "Cities that weathered housing bust now suffering - Cities that had escaped the worst of housing bust are hurting now". Does anyone expect banker-central (Fairfield County CT and Westchester County, NY) to drop anytime soon?
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