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New Renter says

Um yes. You ever try to drive on a flat tire? Any flat would have been shredded within a minute the way that SUv was going. The driver would likely have lost control at some point.

Just because some reporter says something happened doesn't mean he's right.

Excuse me, does it say a "reporter" said that? No, it clearly says the POLICE said that. I don't understand how you can deny a fact that was reported in a legitimate news source, when you weren't there and it can't be seen in the video.

For all of you who don't know how to watch a video, let's clear this up.

Exhibit A:

Clearly, the man on the motorcycle has turned around and is looking back at the car, because his intent is to brake and impede the progress of the SUV. Watch the video. If you don't see that he is slowing down and looking back at the SUV, then you are quite simply blind. At this point in the video, he is staring right at the SUVs bumper. Any sane person would have realized he was getting dangerously close to the SUV, and would not have continued to slow down.

Exhibit B:

This is where the SUV has stopped, and before it runs over the biker. It is not possible to see what is going on in the vicinity of the SUV, because the camera is too far away from it. If you claim that you can determine what did or did not happen at that moment solely from watching that video, you are full of shit. Why is most of the motorcycle group stopped and crowded around the SUV? What you CAN see is that one of the bikers dismounts and begins walking back towards the SUV. My guess is the guy is not walking back there to invite him to a book club. What do you think?

Now, if you want to disbelieve what the police said because YOU didn't see it happen in a video where you can't even SEE what's happening, be my guest. Just know that we all think you're an idiot.

some people they had been victim of similar scams. this was done on purpose to collect free money. the passengers of a $80K car were targeted. only this time one scammer paid a high price.

they slashed the tire quickly as that has been rehearsed. who in their right mind would keep such a tool in their pocket? riding on motorcycle at high speed?

ThreeBays says

What is that nice biker in front of the SUV doing, looking back while slowing down? Maybe asking for directions? Wants to sell some cookies?

He'll be selling access to his butthole when he's in jail. Then he'll be asking directions to the infirmary.

Now it turns out there was an undercover cop at the scene who did nothing. Way to go! Could have stopped all that violence from occurring but chose to sit there with your thumb up your ass.

Oh, and the "victim" Mieses who got run over? He was named a habitual traffic offender in June, his right to drive was revoked until 2017, and he doesn't have a motorcycle license.

Homeboy says

Now it turns out there was an undercover cop at the scene who did nothing.

Just one? NO, try 5 cops right there in the thick of things!

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

Homeboy says

justme says

I cannot see what is occurring at the first stop (stop 1) of the car. It is difficult to establish whether the driver reasonably feared for his or passengers life in a manner that justifies running someone over

What part of, "Bikers then converged on the SUV and, police say, pounded on it and slashed a tire" didn't you understand? Just because you can't see it in the video doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Did the police really witness the actions? Do you understand that the so-called police statement may have been nothing but a reference to a statement obtained from the driver of the SUV?

Vicente (above) refers to talk of undercover police officers being part of the motorcycle rally. But is the PARTICULAR statement made above attributable to such an officer, or some unencumbered witness, or is it just what the driver claimed?

I assume you understand that this makes a large difference whether the statement is from a independent witness or just a claim made by one the parties involved.

So these asshats liked to film their criminal behavior. Here's one page with footage. Please count all the moving violations, ignoring lane discipline, and plain idiocy:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427/1436603736/@orlove

I love horror stories with absolutely zero statistical significance for drawing conclusions about present-day life. Particularly good are ones involving stereotypes, with ambiguous footage or witness accounts that allow us to take sides with whoever we identify with, or hate the least, or according to our pet issues.

My dream headline: Imam of WTC Mosque Funneled Money to Black Anti-Abortion Activists

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

All motorists should assume that if they're near another motorist, they can open fire at any time.

Homeboy says

New Renter says

Um yes. You ever try to drive on a flat tire? Any flat would have been shredded within a minute the way that SUv was going. The driver would likely have lost control at some point.

Just because some reporter says something happened doesn't mean he's right.

Excuse me, does it say a "reporter" said that? No, it clearly says the POLICE said that. I don't understand how you can deny a fact that was reported in a legitimate news source, when you weren't there and it can't be seen in the video.

No I was not there. Presumably neither were you. The slashing cannot be seen in the video. The reporter quoted the police who themselves were quoting a witness or may have found puncture marks in the tire. Or the police may just be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. A witness may have seen or thought to have seen someone attempting to slash a tire or perhaps a post-incident inspection of the car revealed slashed tires which may have happened at the end of the chase.

My point is that if these were normal tires which had been slashed the family would not have been able to drive away in the manner seen on the video.

Of course the tires may have been run flats. Not sure how easy it is to drive on a slashed run flat but if that is what allowed this family to escape we should all put run flats on our Christmas lists.

Especially you AF.

Let's drop the pretense and get rid of the transparent symbolism already. The zombies in the never ending series of movies and cable shows are Romney's 41%, the left behind. Folks too sick, lazy, easily victimized, and generally uncompetitive who need to break into your house and try to get at your stuff in order to survive.

In today's episode, a scraggly bunch of penniless pensioners, the foreclosed upon homeless and the foodstamp-less break into Jamie Dimon's sixth mansion. Pan to the master bedroom, where the circular bed holds a bevy of slumbering beauties - Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and Diane Feinstein - exhausted after a marathon session of coke and bumping with Dimon.

"Say hello to my little friend!" snarls a grimacing Dimon, as he unleashes another RPG at the hapless crowd below, spattering the exotic Italian hanging tapestries with the blood and guts of the groveling takers. Meanwhile, across town, a group of lower class Hispanic and Negro bikers communicate their displeasure with the widening wealth gap to a paranoid yuppie couple.

New Renter says

My point is that if these were normal tires which had been slashed the family would not have been able to drive away in the manner seen on the video.

Oh, I see - your entire reasoning rests on your belief that the SUV would have been instantly immobilized, and therefore the entire account must be bogus. First, I have seen people elude police for as much as 20 minutes on live TV on FOUR flat tires after they hit a spike strip. Second, as you said, they could have been run flats.

Obviously this all comes down to your desperate wish to believe, for no reason, that it was a sewing circle rather than a gang of biker thugs attacking a family, even though MULTIPLE news sources (in fact, ALL news sources) say otherwise.

New Renter says

No I was not there. Presumably neither were you.

Exactly. That's why I SAID SO, and why I am getting my information from news sources, rather than ASSUMING something DIDN'T happen just because it was out of range of the camera when it occurred.

Vicente says

Homeboy says

Now it turns out there was an undercover cop at the scene who did nothing.

Just one? NO, try 5 cops right there in the thick of things!

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

Oh shit. Not only were cops there, they PARTICIPATED in the violence. Every cop who was there should be immediately sent to assrape prison.

Bikers insist that Lien was the aggressor.

"He drove erratically and bumped the bike on the side," one biker said. "When he bumped that bike on the side, that bike became aggressive because his life was in danger."

Looks like it was actually neurotic, fearful bikers that caused the incident. Someone bumped you? (probably because you were riding too close - I see it every day with bikers) Then you should immediately pull over and dial 911. Bikers take a lot of stupid chances, then get upset over the consequences of their decision to drive dangerously.

Homeboy says

Someone bumped you? (probably because you were riding too close - I see it every day with bikers) Then you should immediately pull over and dial 911.

This can't be right. It just can't.

My impression is that, legally and morally, the person in the 4-wheeled car is always at fault.

Did a motorcycle cross the double yellow and submarine under your car? It's your fault for not watching for bikers.

Did a motorcycle going 80 on a residential street just rear-end you at a stop sign? Your fault: keep an eye out for motorcycles!

Is a motorcyclist's skull wedged under a guardrail on a mountain road? It's your fault, asshole!

Vegetable hospital wards and wheelchairs all across America are full of free-spirited bikers, all of them cut down by the negligence of motorists.

Vicente says

So these asshats liked to film their criminal behavior. Here's one page with footage. Please count all the moving violations, ignoring lane discipline, and plain idiocy:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427/1436603736/@orlove

Thugs.

Homeboy says

New Renter says

My point is that if these were normal tires which had been slashed the family would not have been able to drive away in the manner seen on the video.

Oh, I see - your entire reasoning rests on your belief that the SUV would have been instantly immobilized, and therefore the entire account must be bogus. First, I have seen people elude police for as much as 20 minutes on live TV on FOUR flat tires after they hit a spike strip. Second, as you said, they could have been run flats.

Obviously this all comes down to your desperate wish to believe, for no reason, that it was a sewing circle rather than a gang of biker thugs attacking a family, even though MULTIPLE news sources (in fact, ALL news sources) say otherwise.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/new-york-bikers-attack-video/index.html

Investigators say Lien told them he feared for his life when bikers surrounded his vehicle, pounding on it and slashing his tires.

Police said the biker group, called "Hollywood Stuntz," chased the driver, whose flat tires forced him to stop.

No it was heavy traffic which forced the driver to stop. He was quite capable of driving up to that point. That is very clear from the video evidence.

My only desperate wish here is for accurate information. At some point tires may have been slashed but its not apparent in the video if or when that happened. The driver was understandably in a panic so who knows if his memory of events is accurate.

Anyone else get the impression that we're just a few years from
http://www.youtube.com/embed/nLCmcV4gC_0

Dan8267 says

Anyone else get the impression that we're just a few years from

Yes in the same way we are just a few years from sustainable nuclear fusion.

Don't let that stop you from stocking up on ammo, yams and assless chaps tho'

New Renter says

My only desperate wish here is for accurate information. At some point tires may have been slashed but its not apparent in the video if or when that happened. The driver was understandably in a panic so who knows if his memory of events is accurate.

O.K., you win. It's all a conspiracy. Every major news source is lying. The bikers never attacked the family. They just passed the SUV and kept riding. Therefore there was nobody blocking the SUV's way, so nobody got run over. And they all lived happily ever after.

Enjoy your fantasy.

Putz.

Homeboy says

New Renter says

My only desperate wish here is for accurate information. At some point tires may have been slashed but its not apparent in the video if or when that happened. The driver was understandably in a panic so who knows if his memory of events is accurate.

O.K., you win. It's all a conspiracy. Every major news source is lying. The bikers never attacked the family. They just passed the SUV and kept riding. Therefore there was nobody blocking the SUV's way, so nobody got run over. And they all lived happily ever after.

Enjoy your fantasy.

Putz.

Lying? No. Accurately reporting inaccurate facts? Maybe.

You on the other hand are grossly extrapolating my minor criticism of the events as reported to fantasy land.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I think this might be the first time I "liked" a posting by Homeboy.

If this scenario had happened:

Biker brake checks SUV. All the other bikers pull over to the side of the road(maybe a few stay out to stop oncomming traffic) and go check on their friend.

I might be inclined as driver of SUV to pull over and call 911 reporting biker down. Due to numbers and the VERY OBVIOUS POSSIBLE DANGER(If you don't think theres a danger here you are extremely naive) I would not get out of the SUV.

But thats not what happened now is it?

I would have done the exact same thing the SUV driver did except I also would have started taking out bikers as they chased me. Theres a reason Alex Lien is not being charged with a crime.

Homeboy says

Thugs

Damn right, no video makes it clearer than this one:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

Wearing helmet-cams and posting editted shit on youtube only ending up digging their own graves. Any time I see helmetcams I'm 95% sure that some of "Jackass" (hold my beer and watch this!) behavior is to follow.

Hope they get nice long sentences.

New Renter says

Don't let that stop you from stocking up on ammo, yams and assless chaps tho'

I'm well stacked on assless chaps.

Vicente says

Hope they get nice long sentences.

On the bright side, evolution is taking care of this problem. The main purpose of prisons, other than making money for private corporations and corrupt government officials, is to remove scumbags from the breeding population.

Dan8267 says

Vicente says

Hope they get nice long sentences.

On the bright side, evolution is taking care of this problem. The main purpose of prisons, other than making money for private corporations and corrupt government officials, is to remove scumbags from the breeding population.

My neighbor ended up having four kids from three different guys who all ended up in prison.

The one in hospital, already had 2 kids so Lord Darwin was late.

I have to think biker jerks with COPS in their gang, are absolutely going to act even more like jerks. Thinking whatever they do, their cop buddies will back them up.

The panicky SUV driver was an investment banker, a VP at Credit Suisse. Just Google Credit Suisse and financial fraud, and you'll get the idea. This parasite on humanity should have been pulled apart by the bikes, and left for the crows to eat.

Blurtman says

The panicky SUV driver was an investment banker, a VP at Credit Suisse. Just Google Credit Suisse and financial fraud, and you'll get the idea. This parasite on humanity should have been pulled apart by the bikes, and left for the crows to eat.

But if the bikers did not know that when the confrontation occurred, then they must be held responsible for any crimes which they committed.

For all the bikers knew, the family in the SUV could have been innocent, and not investment bankers.

"For all the bikers knew, the family in the SUV could have been innocent, and not investment bankers."

But since they guessed right, they can be let off the hook. The average $50,000 earning (and dropping) family is not going to be tooling around town in a $100,000 car. And as they will be closer in social class to the bikers, they likely would not have had such an irrational fear of these citizens, created by the gaping chasm separating their respective classes, and the fear demonstrated by the trophy wife, over the oppressed masses finally turning on looting parasites like her husband.

Blurtman says

The panicky SUV driver was an investment banker, a VP at Credit Suisse.

my bank down the street in a dinky town of 25000 has 2 VPs.. not more than a typical manager of a branch... pretty much many banks everywhere have employees with exaggerated titles of VP in their offices.. these are NOT officers of any kind.

"blurtman clearly is low SES (socio-economic-status) and also not able to judge this without bias against others who aren't poor."

Wrongo, low-bandwidth one. Blurtman is a Phi Beta Kappa (FWIW), and statistically quite wealthy, upper 5-7% and rising, not counting home equity. It's not a matter of choosing sides, just having a clear perspective on things.

"Mieses was recently arrested in Andover, Mass., for driving with a revoked license. According to police and records with the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles, Mieses hasn't had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.

The records show that in June he was named a habitual offender and his right to drive in the state was revoked until 2017. It isn't clear if he had been licensed in any other state. His attorney had no comment."

"Mieses and the others seen on the video were participating in a periodic rally in which more than 1,000 bikers head for Times Square, police have said. There were dozens of calls about reckless driving, 15 other arrests and 55 motorcycles confiscated."

thomaswong.1986 says

Blurtman says

The panicky SUV driver was an investment banker, a VP at Credit Suisse.

my bank down the street in a dinky town of 25000 has 2 VPs.. not more than a typical manager of a branch... pretty much many banks everywhere have employees with exaggerated titles of VP in their offices.. these are NOT officers of any kind.

I doubt if the VP at your rinky-dink bank crashed the economy through calculated financial fraud. The dude at Credit Suisse on Wall Street, however, well, neck tie party time.

thomaswong.1986 says

The records show that in June he was named a habitual offender and his right to drive in the state was revoked until 2017.

Well now it looks like his right to walk has been revoked as well. Hope he enjoyed the rally, as it will be his last.

egads101 says

They proved this, by you know, hauling him out of the car and beating the shit out of him!!!!

Don't confuse Blurtman with logic.

Blurtman says

The dude at Credit Suisse on Wall Street, however, well, neck tie party time.

Seriously... do you know exactly what this guys JOB responsibility was..

VP of what ??

marketing, sales, finance, accounting, operations, or Information services services...

What exactly was this guy doing...Congrats.. you beat up a Computer Programmer...

Mr. Alexian Lien is a Director at Moneybookers. He was a Vice President at Investcorp Technology Partners. Mr. Lien joined the firm in 2004 and was based in the London office of the firm. Previously, he was an Analyst in the Distressed Finance and Restructuring Group of Credit Suisse First Boston in New York. Mr. Lien served on the Board of Trema Group. He holds a B.S. degree in Computer Engineering from Columbia University.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=33018900&privcapId=33015185&previousCapId=132269150&previousTitle=Pulse%20Capital%20Partners,%20LLC

You can launder drug money for a murdering Mexican cartel, admit it, and do zero jail time. If you are from the 1%. It is undeniable that there is a two-tiered justice system in the USA. Folks are chronically unemployed because of financial criminals who crashed the economy. And we are told that as this recession has been caused by a financial meltdown, it will take quite long to resolve itself. Meanwhile, the police in NYC will harass and shoot to death street venders suspected of swindling tourists out of pocket change, while nearby, criminal bankers remain untouched as they loot billions.

As the US government refuses to enforce the law, it is up to citizens to do what made this country great. Take the law into your own hands, frontier-urban justice. Yank those banker criminals out of their expensive SUV's and beat the crap out of them.

New Renter says

No I was not there. Presumably neither were you. The slashing cannot be seen in the video. The reporter quoted the police who themselves were quoting a witness or may have found puncture marks in the tire. Or the police may just be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. A witness may have seen or thought to have seen someone attempting to slash a tire or perhaps a post-incident inspection of the car revealed slashed tires which may have happened at the end of the chase.

My point is that if these were normal tires which had been slashed the family would not have been able to drive away in the manner seen on the video.

First person eyewitness account of slashed tire:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GoHEgz5-tUA&feature=player_embedded#t=16

Feel stupid yet?

egads101 says

Blurtman says

As the US government refuses to enforce the law, it is up to citizens to do what made this country great. Take the law into your own hands, frontier-urban justice. Yank those banker criminals out of their expensive SUV's and beat the crap out of them.

yeah. I can see you have a real rational viewpoint on what happened in that biker gang versus SUV driver incident...

you are a complete dumbfuck! 100%.

Yes, it is clear that these ideas threaten your primitve brain, and as you frequently do when your limited processing capabilites ae overwhelmend, you feel threatened, and lash out. I get it.

No one wants frontier justice, but when there is a blatant two-tiered justice system in a country, when the government is in league with criminals whose actions destroy the lives of millions, it is an understandable course of action. Yes, innocent people are always hurt. Innocent cowboys were hung as cattle rustlers in the wild West. Innocent people were guillotined during the French Revolution. But it really is time to start killing the banksters.