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75   gsr   2015 Feb 22, 3:03pm  

sbh says

no one on Patnet is actually an apologist for Islam, at best they are critical of the west's historical arrogance wrt to other peoples' territories, but are nowhere near willing to blame the creation of Islamic terrorism solely on the west. You do understand what "solely" means, don't you?

Are you talking about actions like this one?
From http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2013/04/29/benghazigate-obamas-secret-gunrunning-program-n1580051/page/full

"September 5, 2012: A Libyan ship called Al Entisar (“The Victory”) docks in the Turkish port of Iskenderun, carrying 400 tons of cargo including many weapons such as rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) and shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (MANPADS) destined for Syrian rebels 35 miles away from Iskenderun. The ship’s captain told the Times of London that the Muslim Brotherhood and the free Syrian Army broke into a fight over the arms.

September 10, 2012: Stevens arrives in Benghazi, Libya, the location of the U.S. consulate. About a mile away from the consulate, is the CIA annex. Stevens planned to stay at the consulate for five days. His visit was supposed to be secret, but Libya-based extremists somehow learned of his arrival.

September 11, 2012: Stevens has an unusual meeting with Turkish diplomat Consul General Ali Sait Akin. Fox News reported that the meeting was “…to negotiate a weapons transfer, an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham confirmed on Fox News Channel’s “Special Report with Bret Baier” that Stevens was in Libya to specifically control a situation: “…where the action was regarding the rising Islamic extremists who were trying to get their hands on weapons that were flowing freely in Libya…”

9:40 p.m. (Libya time): Libyan rebels launched and organized an armed attack against the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi."

76   Strategist   2015 Feb 22, 4:11pm  

sbh says

Strategist says

I have noticed Islam apologists tend to go silent when Muslims or ex Muslims criticize Islam.

Not on Patnet you haven't, there haven't been any, have there? And if you were honest and rational about it you'd admit that no one on Patnet is actually an apologist for Islam, at best they are critical of the west's historical arrogance wrt to other peoples' territories, but are nowhere near willing to blame the creation of Islamic terrorism solely on the west. You do understand what "solely" means, don't you? You do this because on the subject you're just mad and pretty lazy and it's easier to do that than to address what is really being said by people you don't agree with. You should at least contest what they actually do say, instead of forcing up strawmen that belong to no one.

A third are probably apologists for Islam at various levels. Almost all of them tend to be liberals who mindlessly and continuously criticize the US and the West for anything that goes wrong in the world. And it's always the same fucked up excuse. We stole their land, we attacked them for their oil. We created them because we trained them. It's our fault - it's all our fault- it's all our fault.
When I say "Khatib became a suicide bomber killing kids" you say, "John stole land from the Indians"
Who the hell is John, and what has he got to do with Khatib being a suicide bomber?
So SBH, how the hell do I address you guys, when you guys come up with arguments that belong in a different century?

77   Strategist   2015 Feb 22, 4:15pm  

thunderlips11 says

Nuance is not a conservative strongpoint. Anything more complex than "With us or against us." does not compute.

LOL. Something as simple as "With us or against us." does not compute with some of you guys. No wonder someone else has to do all the thinking for the extreme left. And I thought liberals were smart.

78   Bigsby   2015 Feb 22, 5:53pm  

Strategist says

Nice video. I have noticed Islam apologists tend to go silent when Muslims or ex Muslims criticize Islam. The usual excuses of being racist, not having read the Koran, not understanding Muslims or it's all our fault simply don't apply. :)

You can criticize any religion, they lay themselves open for that, but to say their prophet 'was the most brutal barbarian ever to walk the earth' just makes you look like a fool with an agenda.

79   Bigsby   2015 Feb 22, 6:01pm  

Strategist says

A third are probably apologists for Islam at various levels. Almost all of them tend to be liberals who mindlessly and continuously criticize the US and the West for anything that goes wrong in the world. And it's always the same fucked up excuse. We stole their land, we attacked them for their oil. We created them because we trained them. It's our fault - it's all our fault- it's all our fault.

And you mindlessly ignore all that as CONTRIBUTIVE factors to what is currently happening. You should read SBH's comment again as apparently it flew clean over your head.

80   Strategist   2015 Feb 22, 6:33pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Nice video. I have noticed Islam apologists tend to go silent when Muslims or ex Muslims criticize Islam. The usual excuses of being racist, not having read the Koran, not understanding Muslims or it's all our fault simply don't apply. :)

You can criticize any religion, they lay themselves open for that, but to say their prophet 'was the most brutal barbarian ever to walk the earth' just makes you look like a fool with an agenda.

Why?

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/65-khan/380-christian-burned-alive-wife-raped-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam-emulating-islam-barbarous-prophet.html

81   Strategist   2015 Feb 22, 6:45pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

A third are probably apologists for Islam at various levels. Almost all of them tend to be liberals who mindlessly and continuously criticize the US and the West for anything that goes wrong in the world. And it's always the same fucked up excuse. We stole their land, we attacked them for their oil. We created them because we trained them. It's our fault - it's all our fault- it's all our fault.

And you mindlessly ignore all that as CONTRIBUTIVE factors to what is currently happening. You should read SBH's comment again as apparently it flew clean over your head.

We as Americans contributed to nothing that makes Muslims go berserk. It was all Islam. We strike back at Afghanistan after 911 and according to you they are so devastated, so tormented, that they start killing each other with bombs. Really, that is our fault? No responsibility on their part? It's like saying - Oh, my wife told me to go to the grocery store, so the accident I had was all her fault even though I went through 3 red lights.
When someone draws cartoons, and these wackos are so distressed that all the killing that follows is the cartoonists fault. Really? They hate and kill each other because they are barbarians who follow a barbarian. Plain and Simple.

82   Entitlemented   2015 Feb 22, 7:58pm  

"Some groups travel the country pitching their ideology as a way to help homeowners escape foreclosure or get out of debt, by simply ignoring the courts and bankruptcy law"

Now the CRA is responsible for this?

83   Entitlemented   2015 Feb 22, 8:03pm  

I had a Muslim EE330 Controls System Lab professor - an absolutely brilliant man and astute to the students who worked hard.

I know a guy who is from Egypt, one of the nations leaders in Photonics.

As best as I can tell some like liberty and egalitarianism just fine.

84   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Feb 22, 8:05pm  

socal2 says

Does Saudi Arabia represent "true Islam".

I have a hard time figuring out that big difference between ISIS and Saudi Arabia:
http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/saudi-men-detained-by-morality-police-for-dancing-local-media

Saudi Arabia’s morality police have detained a group of men for dancing at a birthday party, local media has reported.

The state-linked news website Ayn Al Youm says the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice raided a private residence in the ultra-conservative city of Buraydah, arresting the men inside for “loud music and inappropriate dancing.”

The men were referred to police for investigation.

85   Entitlemented   2015 Feb 22, 8:06pm  

When the embassies got blown up, and the US did nothing (some cruise missiles struck near the same time zone of some threats), we basically emboldened them.

Clinton: Uber Soft on terrorists - cost the US $$T to deal with the stealth and assym WF.
Clinton: Uber entitled, the CRA contaiged into privat market, cost the US $$T to deal with the web of CDOs-MBS-CDS-MERS

86   Entitlemented   2015 Feb 22, 8:59pm  

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/drugpolicyreform

Nationwide, drug-induced overdose deaths now surpass homicides and car crash deaths in America

Left Wing 60s era drugs for stress, drugs at work, drugs are great, legalize drugs, drug cartels. Lets sell the drugs from Colo to neighbor states, lets give it to children........

Left Wing owns terrorism of our society. Everyone else is "JV".

87   Bigsby   2015 Feb 23, 4:20am  

Strategist says

Why?

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/65-khan/380-christian-burned-alive-wife-raped-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam-emulating-islam-barbarous-prophet.html

a. That doesn't make him what you claimed.
b. The world was a rather different place back in the 6th Century.

Strategist says

We as Americans contributed to nothing that makes Muslims go berserk. It was all Islam. We strike back at Afghanistan after 911 and according to you they are so devastated, so tormented, that they start killing each other with bombs. Really, that is our fault? No responsibility on their part? It's like saying - Oh, my wife told me to go to the grocery store, so the accident I had was all her fault even though I went through 3 red lights.

So you think invading that country made no difference? And Iraq? Last I checked, most of the problems seem to be occurring around that area. And who said there was no responsibility on their part? Do you actually understand the words 'contributing factors'?

88   Strategist   2015 Feb 23, 8:08am  

Bigsby says

Why?

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/65-khan/380-christian-burned-alive-wife-raped-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam-emulating-islam-barbarous-prophet.html

a. That doesn't make him what you claimed.

b. The world was a rather different place back in the 6th Century.

"b" contradicts "a"
I have heard arguments that the 6th century was a violent era, and Mohammad cannot be blamed for doing the things he did. If anything, Mohammad the "perfect Muslim" made damn sure his followers remained in the 6th century.

Bigsby says

So you think invading that country made no difference? And Iraq? Last I checked, most of the problems seem to be occurring around that area. And who said there was no responsibility on their part? Do you actually understand the words 'contributing factors'?

Some "contributing factors" are irrelevant. China invented gunpowder, therefore they were a contributing factor to suicide bombers too.
Ask yourself....If they were Buddhists would this kind of violence have taken place?

89   Bigsby   2015 Feb 23, 8:24am  

Strategist says

"b" contradicts "a"

No, it doesn't.

Strategist says

Some "contributing factors" are irrelevant.

By definition, they aren't. And your example is hardly comparable to invading a couple of countries, causing, both directly and indirectly, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and in the process, triggering a great deal of instability in the region. Those are actual contributing factors, not some stupid once upon a time, many centuries ago, someone invented this, so... argument.

Strategist says

Ask yourself....If they were Buddhists would this kind of violence have taken place?

You mean like the murderous rampages that have happened on a number of occasions in Sri Lanka and that seem to be increasingly happening in Myanmar?

90   mell   2015 Feb 23, 8:29am  

thunderlips11 says

Nuance is not a conservative strongpoint. Anything more complex than "With us or against us." does not compute.

True, but actually it is far worse among progressives these days. That's why Libertarians have a slightly better foothold in the Republican party.

91   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Feb 23, 10:29am  

mell says

True, but actually it is far worse among progressives these days. That's why Libertarians have a slightly better foothold in the Republican party.

Unfortunately, I expect Rand Paul to be the victim of ceaseless Jeb-directed attacks until he withdraws.

92   Strategist   2015 Feb 23, 2:11pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Ask yourself....If they were Buddhists would this kind of violence have taken place?

You mean like the murderous rampages that have happened on a number of occasions in Sri Lanka and that seem to be increasingly happening in Myanmar?

No, I mean the type of violence the most devout followers of Mohammad engage in. Rape, murder, plunder, pillage, pedophilia, genocide, baby killing, slavery, kidnapping, and chopping off heads for starters.

93   Strategist   2015 Feb 23, 8:06pm  

Sheeesh, SBH. I feel all trampled on, stampeded on, pissed on, shat on, spit on, laughed at, shot at, kicked, abused, and molested just for starters.
I forgive you. You know why? Because you know not what you say. Please await response......right now my dog needs to shit. She read everything you just said. :) :)

94   bob2356   2015 Feb 23, 8:06pm  

Strategist says

We as Americans contributed to nothing that makes Muslims go berserk.

Maybe you should look at what muslims think americans contributed. Bin Laden does have some legit beefs, combined with a lot of nonsense. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

Bush I stationing troops in Saudi Arabia and keeping there was the worst US foreign policy mistake of the 20th century. Everyone from Kissinger to Wolfwitz has agreed the presence of these troops has driven a huge surge in terrorism and fundamentalism. Combined with the war in Iraq disaster good old uncle sam is the number 1 terrorist recruiter in the world.

95   Y   2015 Feb 23, 8:49pm  

this is true and has been verified....

http://www.youtube.com/embed/MioW3yjMkQw

bob2356 says

Bin Laden does have some legit beefs

96   Strategist   2015 Feb 24, 11:06am  

SoftShell says

this is true and has been verified....

Even animals are converting to Islam. We are doomed.

97   Strategist   2015 Feb 24, 2:47pm  

bgamall4 says

We have three nations in Iraq.

So?????

98   Strategist   2015 Feb 24, 4:06pm  

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

We have three nations in Iraq.

So?????

So, it was the plan of the Zionists all along Einstein.

What's the benefit?

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