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1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

But that doesn't make me giggle as much as Mary.

It's amazing how a dirt poor Middle Eastern Jewish Peasant from the 1st Century AD looks so much like a blonde, freckled 15th Century Noblewoman from Castile, she could be Isabella's sister.

This is what traditional Jewish women from the Middle East in the 20th Century look like:



Damn is Ofra Haza (third pic) sexy as HELL.

Dan8267 says

Brought to you by religion

No Dan, it wasn't brought on by religion. It was brought on by hate and envy. They hate us for our freedoms, among other things. Religion or no religion, when bad men want to hurt someone they'll find an excuse.

FortWayne says

No Dan, it wasn't brought on by religion. It was brought on by hate and envy. They hate us for our freedoms, among other things. Religion or no religion, when bad men want to hurt someone they'll find an excuse.

They hate EVERYONE they disagree with for ANY reason, including other Muslims.
They hate America the most because we proved to be superior with our progress and technology. They cannot fathom anyone else being superior to their religion. They must have cheated, they are Satan, and Allah wants to destroy them.

FortWayne says

No Dan, it wasn't brought on by religion.

To deny that 9/11 wasn't caused by religion is a blatant lie. Same goes for the opposition to marriage equality, the yelling of god hates fags at funerals, and the indoctrination of children into creationism or "intelligent design".

FortWayne says

No Dan, it wasn't brought on by religion.

I don't see how you can even think for a moment that 9/11 was not about religion.

Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a 1998 fatwā signed by bin Laden and others, calling for the killing of Americans,[10] are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[40] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America", he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include

U.S. support of Israel[41][42]
Support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
Support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
Pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
Support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir
The presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[43][44]
The sanctions against Iraq[45]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Sure, there are political components, but then Islam was always a political religion which explicitly attempts to take over governments and forcibly convert the people, or allow Christians or Jews to pay the jizya, or kill them if they refuse to either convert or pay. This policy has never been abnegated, and is still official Islam. Convert, pay, or die.

You might like the part which denies Hindus and atheists (like Dan) the right to pay to save their lives. They get only the convert or die options in official Islam.

Yeah, and ISIS has nothing to do with Islam either. People will deny anything to support their pet agendas.

Jesus was an effete, effeminate metrosexual manger twit: to wit, a Republican.

Sure, there are political components, but then Islam was always a political religion which explicitly attempts to take over governments and forcibly convert the people, or allow Christians or Jews to pay the jizya, or kill them if they refuse to either convert or pay. This policy has never been abnegated, and is still official Islam. Convert, pay, or die.

Yup and they have open disdain for democracy because they consider man's laws to be an offense to god. Therefore, a democratic society must not allow islamists to form parties and partake in a democratic process just like they must not allow communists to run (because communists consider dictatorship of proletariat to be a proper form of government and view democracy as a tool by the wealthy elites to fool the masses into false class consciousness). It sounds great and all to allow these movements to partake in elections, the problem is if either one of them win, there will not be any more elections in the future and hence no opportunity to reset and start over should dissatisfaction occur.

I don't see how you can even think for a moment that 9/11 was not about religion.

Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a 1998 fatwā signed by bin Laden and others, calling for the killing of Americans,[10] are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[40] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America", he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include

U.S. support of Israel[41][42]

Support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia

Support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya

Pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests

Support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir

The presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[43][44]

The sanctions against Iraq[45]

It's about ISLAM. Why are people too scared or too PC to call it out, instead of lumping up ISLAM's dysfunction as "Religion"? There is only 1 major religion on this planet that is incapable of coexisting with the rest of humanity.

BTW - most of Bin Laden's grievances are bunk.

- America risked the lives of our pilots and soldiers to save Sunni Muslims in the Balkans (twice) against Genocide.
- America risked the lives of our soldiers to try and end famine and genocide in Somalia
- US Troops were INVITED into Saudi Arabia to protect religious Sunni Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Gulf States and Kuwait from "Secular" Saddam Hussein
- Sanctions in Iraq were implemented to prevent Saddam Hussein from attacking his religious Sunni neighbors. But sanctions and No-Fly-Zones also protected Shia and Kurds which are not the "right kind of Muslims"
- America sides with Israelis over nutter Sunnis like Hamas. What's the difference between Hamas and ISIS?

On top of all that, America supported Afgans against the Communists in the 1980's, favored Pakistan over India and simply packed up and left when the Communists retreated. And for that, the fucking ingrates attacked us on 9/11?

The most interesting thing is how little effort or interest, other than a few words here and there, Wahabis put into Israel.

They seem far more interested in converting Shi'a or insufficently pious Sunni Muslims.

Hamas is not a Wahabi Sunni organization.

thunderlips11 says

Hamas is not a Wahabi Sunni organization.

Hamas identifies as Salafists - as does ISIS.

"Article 5 Demonstrates its Salafist roots and connections to the Muslim brotherhood. [21]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

But it's not Wahabi, right?

socal2 says

But it's not Wahabi, right?

They say there is essentially no difference.
http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/10559/what-is-the-difference-between-wahhabism-and-salafism-are-they-different

Hamas just has better PR and more fanboys in the West because they sell their fight only to the Jews in Israel. When in fact, Hamas wants the same caliphate over all the land they lost from the Crusades and fall of the Ottoman Empire like ISIS purports to want.

socal2 says

They say there is essentially no difference.

There is a difference. Wahabism is more extreme and puritanical than Salafism. The foremost Scholar on the Middle East, Bernard Lewis:

So what you are getting now in the Muslim world, all over the Muslim world, and more particularly among the Muslim communities in non-Muslim countries is the spread of the Wahhabi version of Islam, which, as I said, is about as typical of what you might call mainstream Islam as the KKK of mainstream Christianity. Wahhabism is the major trend of that sort. There are others, the so-called Salafia. It’s run along parallel lines to the Wahhabis, but they are less violent and less extreme – still violent and extreme but less so than the Wahhabis.

Islam is the scorpion. It will sting the fox carrying it across the river even if they both drown as a result because that is its nature. We have been fooled long enough by protestations of peace.

Salaam is a lie when the word for your religion means "submit."

That's a relief! The Salafists are "still violent and extreme, but less so than the Wahhabis".

The Salafists probably have a court proceeding of sorts before they throw gay people off tall buildings.

Quigley says

Islam is the scorpion. It will sting the fox carrying it across the river even if they both drown as a result because that is its nature. We have been fooled long enough by protestations of peace.

Quigley says

That's a relief! The Salafists are "still violent and extreme, but less so than the Wahhabis".

So the conclusion is, why are we friends with Saudi Arabia, not only the homeland of extreme Wahabism, but the #1 exporter of Wahabism.

Saudi Arabia IS backing fundamentalist terrorism against Assad, just like they backed fundamentalist "Foreign Fighters" in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Libya, etc.

They're so desperate have their Fundy pals win in Syria, they offered the Russians OPEC membership and a cut in oil output.

Saudi Arabia funds Wahabi Militant camps in Yemen. It bombs the fuck out of universities, hospitals, etc. Anything to demoralize the Shi'a. The funny this is, when not flying above the clouds bombing from above in their US-provided F-15s and F-16s, Saudis can't piss themselves and run away fast enough when confronted with enemies on the ground.

There is nothing funnier than an encounter with the Saudi National Guard, whose motto is "We advance in a different direction, Inshallah!" They fled from Saddam's forces when they were inside M-60 Tanks with US Air Support against export grade stripped down T-55s with their ammo half duds - that's how inept they are.

If you support Christendom or the West, you ought to be behind Assad, also. There are no democracy activists in Syria, only shades of Salafyi/Wahabi groups. We already witnessed a huge chunk of alleged "Freedom Fighters" marching off to join ISIS after months of US training and equipment provision.

Stupid Assholes ! Grow a F*cking Brain.

Jesus was the mother of all socialists. If you hate socialism, you hate Jesus.

I don't see how you can even think for a moment that 9/11 was not about religion.

To Osama Bin Laden this wasn't about religion, this is about power and control. About his ego and about his hatred toward America. Religion was a convenient pretext excuse, if there was no religion he would have called it something else.

FortWayne says

To Osama Bin Laden this wasn't about religion, this is about power and control.

Cop out. All religion is about power and control. That's the entire mother-fucking purpose of religion.

Name one religion that doesn't say how people should behave, who people should fuck and when, and how society should be structured, and who should in charge.

FortWayne says

Religion was a convenient pretext excuse, if there was no religion he would have called it something else.

No True Scotsman

Example 1: Angus declares that Scotsmen do not put sugar on their porridge, to which Lachlan points out that he is a Scotsman and puts sugar on his porridge. Furious, like a true Scot, Angus yells that no true Scotsman sugars his porridge.

Example 2: Fort Wayne declares that religious people don't do evil in the name of religion. Dan points to 9/11 and says the terrorists who crashed planes into the towers did evil in the name of religion. Wayne claims those terrorists aren't religious because their actions were evil.

When facts contradict your assertion, change the facts to fit your assertion. It's worked for religion for tens of thousands of years.

Oh, and don't even get me started on the blatant hypocrisy of Wayne and others calling atheism bad because Stalin and Mao were atheists. There is nothing in atheism that says commit genocide. In contrast, the religious beliefs of the 9/11 hijackers was absolute and undeniably intrinsic to their decision to kill themselves and others for the glory of their god. The religious are such hypocrites when they attack atheism.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5zzSqL--d_I

Blasphemy!! Jesus was light skinned with blue eyes and never got married or had kids and never worked. He just walked around with his crew preaching the word of GOD and nobody thought any of that was unusual.

komputodo says

He just walked around with his crew preaching the word of GOD and nobody thought any of that was unusual.

In other words.....Unemployed drunk pest.

FortWayne says

Liberals (like Dan) hate religion these days passionately, they would do anything and write anything to destroy it or it's credibility.

Another problem with liberals is their love of personal attacks.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

To Osama Bin Laden this wasn't about religion, this is about power and control.

Cop out. All religion is about power and control. That's the entire mother-fucking purpose of religion.

Name one religion that doesn't say how people should behave, who people should fuck and when, and how society should be structured, and who should in charge.

FortWayne, you are way off on this. Bin Laden was worth some $260 million. He used all of it for his religion. His only goal in life was to obey the world of Allah based on a literal translation of the Koran.
Christianity was not much different until it came under the control of secular democracies. All religions have blood on their hands. The only path for the world to progress and live in harmony is via a Secular Capitalistic Democracy with an ability to evolve, in order to keep up with a rapidly changing world.

HydroCabron says

Another problem with liberals is their love of personal attacks.

Irony much?

Dan8267 says

Does the pope shit in the woods?

No - the woods are crowded with liberals shitting all over the wildlife.

komputodo says

Blasphemy!! Jesus was light skinned with blue eyes and never got married or had kids and never worked. He just walked around with his crew preaching the word of GOD and nobody thought any of that was unusual.

He probably had long hair, too, and had some unrealistic pacifist philosophy of kissing commies and other enemies! Longhaired Hippie Faggot!

Ironman says

He was???

I know that guy. He's my mechanic.

komputodo says

I know that guy. He's my mechanic.

Jesus drank wine. This guy looks like he's into Tequilla.

Dan8267 says

Cop out. All religion is about power and control. That's the entire mother-fucking purpose of religion.

You know nothing about religion Dan, that's just "left-wing" communist propaganda which you are so fond of.

FortWayne says

You know nothing about religion Dan

Feel free to provide justification for your assertion. List out precisely what you think I got wrong and why. That's how real debate works.

I'll stand by everything I've said.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

You know nothing about religion Dan

Feel free to provide justification for your assertion. List out precisely what you think I got wrong and why. That's how real debate works.

I'll stand by everything I've said.

Here is the first one on the list.
As an atheist you should be glad you know nothing about religion. It's a damn waste of time.

FortWayne says

You know nothing about religion Dan, that's just "left-wing" communist propaganda which you are so fond of.

FortWayne.....how much do you know about other religions?

Strategist says

As an atheist you should be glad you know nothing about religion. It's a damn waste of time.

Once again, you demonstrate a complete lack of reasoning abilities. One studies history not to repeat it, but rather to prevent the mistakes of history from being repeated.

Religion effects the laws we have to obey, the education of our children, the policies of government, whether or not we go to war, and many important things that it should not effect. Ignoring this problem does not make it go away. Vocal atheists are vocal precisely because they know a lot about religion and its perverse effects on society. A person who despises genocides is more likely to study the holocaust and how it came about in order to prevent another one.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

As an atheist you should be glad you know nothing about religion. It's a damn waste of time.

Once again, you demonstrate a complete lack of reasoning abilities. One studies history not to repeat it, but rather to prevent the mistakes of history from being repeated.

Religion effects the laws we have to obey, the education of our children, the policies of government, whether or not we go to war, and many important things that it should not effect. Ignoring this problem does not make it go away. Vocal atheists are vocal precisely because they know a lot about religion and its perverse effects on society. A person who despises genocides is more likely to study the holocaust and how it came about in order to prevent another one.

How does you knowing everything about religion help the situation? We were mostly raised with secular values, and we fully understand that violence, bloodshed, and genocide are not welcome. Religious books are silly fairy tales devoid of any common sense.

Strategist says

I know that guy. He's my mechanic.

Jesus drank wine. This guy looks like he's into Tequilla.

Dan8267 says

Feel free to provide justification for your assertion. List out precisely what you think I got wrong and why. That's how real debate works.

I'll stand by everything I've said.

Dan, I don't think you care much, but Christianity is about love.