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Blurtman says

"'He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter,' she claimed. 'They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.'

One interpretation is that she is telling a US presidential candidate to modify his behavior because of what ISIS will do, and what terrorist want-to-be's will do.

If Hillary was Trump, every lead story in every paper would be "Hillary Whopper: No Evidence of Claims ISIS uses Trump in Videos"

marcus says

would be dangerous and it would be great for Isis.

ISIS is likely using the Western bombing campaigns to recruit terrorist wanna be's. I suppose those should be suspended as well. We know they have appealed to terrorist wannabe's to attack Russia as retaliation for the Russian bombing campaigns. I suppose Putin should cease bombing, then. ISIS is using the crusader's backing of Israel to recruit terrorists. I guess the USA should stop backing Israel. According to George W, Al Qaeda hated us for our freedoms. I guess the USA should curtail its freedoms, then.

Like I said, low bandwidh sheeple prone to anger caused by limited processing capabilities, meme destruction remorse, and the troubling record of history. Other than that, a brilliant argument.

marcus says

Anyone who thinks declaring a war on all of Islam will decrease terrorism in the world, in the short run or the long run, is a total idiot in my opinion.

That's actually been done already. It was called the Crusades and it put a stop to the March of Islam across southern and Eastern Europe for nearly a millennium, until bleating liberals welcomed them back in.

marcus says

As time goes on, the neocons lose credibility

In what world? Neocons still define a large part of Obama's foreign policy.

Blurtman says

bob2356 says

she never said she cared what ISIS would think.

Here is what she said:

"'He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter,' she claimed. 'They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.'

One interpretation is that she is telling a US presidential candidate to modify his behavior because of what ISIS will do, and what terrorist want-to-be's will do.

Huh? That's a pretty obscure interpretation.

Quigley says

marcus says

Anyone who thinks declaring a war on all of Islam will decrease terrorism in the world, in the short run or the long run, is a total idiot in my opinion.

That's actually been done already. It was called the Crusades and it put a stop to the March of Islam across southern and Eastern Europe for nearly a millennium, until bleating liberals welcomed them back in.

That's certainly a colorful history lesson. Other than the inconvenient fact that the 'March of Islam" was finished in the 900's over 100 years before the first crusade was organized and the really dismal fact that the crusaders got their asses kicked for 200 years before leaving with their tails between their legs. The only real noteworthy accomplishments of the crusaders was the wholesale massacre of jews along with the sack and destruction of christian Constantinople in 1204.

Blurtman says

ISIS is likely using the Western bombing campaigns to recruit terrorist wanna be's.

Of course. But that would be what ? Surgical strikes of Jihadists ? Or Syria ? Those are seen as us attacking the attackers.

But when we clearly imply that all of Islam is the enemy ? That brings new terrorists in. People that were on the fence before, or people that might have previously been ambivalent about the objectives of violent jihad. You know, potential terrorists right here in the U.S., the very ones that you dimbulbs (and Trump) are reacting to.

This isn't rocket science.

bob2356 says

Other than the inconvenient fact that the 'March of Islam" was finished in the 900's over 100 years before the first crusade was organized and the really dismal fact that the crusaders got their asses kicked for 200 years before leaving with their tails between their legs. The only real noteworthy accomplishments of the crusaders was the wholesale massacre of jews along with the sack and destruction of christian Constantinople in 1204.

Details.

bob2356 says

That's certainly a colorful history lesson. Other than the inconvenient fact that the 'March of Islam" was finished in the 900's over 100 years before the first crusade was organized and the really dismal fact that the crusaders got their asses kicked for 200 years before leaving with their tails between their legs. The only real noteworthy accomplishments of the crusaders was the wholesale massacre of jews along with the sack and destruction of christian Constantinople in 1204.

All of SE Europe, within spitting range of Vienna around 1700. Mass Bay, New York/Amsterdam, and Jamestown were already settled.

Almost the entirety of Modern India between 1525-1707:

yup

at least isis is honest that what they practice is historically accurate islam.

Unlike the 90% plus of Muslims that think ISIS are a bunch of overzealous assholes.

it's only a matter of degree, not principle. they all agree with the koran, it's only a matter of how literally.

marcus says

But when we clearly imply that all of Islam is the enemy ? That brings new terrorists in.

You believe simple things because they seem to make sense. The first step towards enlightenment is realizing how ignorant you are. Be daring. Take that first step.

Blurtman says

You believe simple things because they seem to make sense

Funny, i was thinking you can't comprehend complex things, because you're an idiot.

You, Patrick (maybe the same ?), TLIps and others, never, I mean NEVER have addressed the obvious reality that:

marcus says

when we clearly imply that all of Islam is the enemy ? that brings new terrorists in.

Blurtman says

Take that first step

Speaking of first steps, the transition from being a shining example of what a country should be, to full fledged evil fascist empire, doesn't happen in one fell swoop. It happens in little steps. We're on our way, and the current economic situation is very conducive.

The one way you know you're on the wrong track is when the foundation of your thinking is fear and hate.

it's only a matter of degree, not principle

Exactly

That Noam Chumsky video is very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Blurtman says

But she does seem to appeal to the low bandwidth type sheeple.

Kind of resent/respect this. Are you suggesting that the Psheeple is highest in one political group(think)?

Entitlemented says

Kind of resent/respect this. Are you suggesting that the Psheeple is highest in one political group(think)?

I am suggesting the obvious - that there are sheeple in both major parties that do not do much thinking and prefer to be told what is real and what is not. And that there are party machines designed to harvest this chaff and turn it into money and power for their masters.

marcus says

ecause you're an idiot

Actually, I am not. I am a Phi Beta Kappa, for example.

marcus says

to full fledged evil fascist empire

That is what happens when corporations run the country, like banks, for example. And Hillary is on board with that.

Blurtman says

That is what happens when corporations run the country, like banks, for example. And Hillary is on board with that.

No more than every President in the past century.

marcus says

No more than every President in the past century.

But not Bernie.

marcus says

I will agree with you though about Saudi Arabia. But when you consider that, and our relationship with them, it becomes clear that there is something more complicated going on, than just being willing to frame an ancient religious text in an evil light.

actually i agree with everything chomsky said, but he left some things out. like about how saudi arabia and isis are actually extremely faithful to original islam, and are not aberrations, but only islam taken seriously. and that the trend toward this is much older than the iraq war, basically starting up again in modern times with the saudi state itself and with the muslim brotherhood in egypt.

but yes, the idiotic american war in iraq created a vacuum filled by isis, and rewarded the saudis for attacking us on 9/11.

george w. bush should be in prison for treason.

actually i agree with everything chomsky said, but he left some things out.

True, but to be fair, if Chomsky had left nothing out, his response would have had to gone on for hours.

Dan8267 says

if Chomsky had left nothing out, his response would have had to gone on for hours

"In addition to its news coverage, RT has also become a clearinghouse for the opinions of American dissidents, including those on the far left like Noam Chomsky"

I don't think Chomsky even liked Eisenhower, a universally admired former president, or any of the presidents in between then and now. Chomsky just doesn't like America like some others on this forum. It's called ISIS today, but what will it be called tomorrow? The only constant is that they're Muslims and will always be blowing people up, they're just a blow-'em-up kind of people, that's what they do regardless of reason. Their aim is world domination by Islam on pain of death. What would Chomsky have said about the 1972 Olympics? I guess he would have worked that around to somehow being the fault of America. And what about the numberless bombings in every part of the world on an almost daily basis? If it wasn't for America, the rest of the world would be Muslim or dead. What's you pleasure? Our parents and grandparents had the luxury, if you can call it that, of fighting wars on battlefields against an enemy in uniforms. Today's enemy brings the war to the marketplace, movie theaters, restaurants where people are enjoying their lives so they must be doing something wrong and need to be blown to pieces. I don't regret a single life being lost in Irag, either. A lot of people were being tortured by Sadam and his sons. It was only inevitable that a lot of those we killed would between then and now have taken the opportunity to blow someone up. After all, little Muslim children are raised to be merciless warriors, even daughters are supposed to make the ultimate sacrifice, although they can't wear a short skirt or show their faces.

P N Dr Lo R says

Chomsky just doesn't like America like some others on this forum.

I don't think that's true. First, what exactly do you mean by America? The people, the government, the history, the policies, the culture?

I think that Chomsky, like most intelligent people, does not care about the political boundaries but rather the functional boundaries of human behavior. He looks at America as if it were any other country, dispassionately and from a distance so he can objectively categorize behaviors and trends in it. The following audio illustrates this.

www.youtube.com/embed/7bsYOQltflA

Chomsky's analysis revolves around matching up historic facts with alleged principles to determine if those principles are really being upheld, and the way he does this is consistent across political and cultural borders. He's actually saying that America is pretty much the same as other great powers of history, not in the specific doctrines it followed, but more importantly in the self-righteous and hypocritical ends-justify-the-means approach to forcing those doctrines on others.

He also warns about letting ideology trump hard-core facts and how this is done everywhere and America is no exception. He's not singling out America as bad. In contrast, he's showing how America is just a repeat of the same lessons history has taught every place and at every time. That's not to say that America is identical to any other country, but rather that the forces driving America are the exact same ones that have driven every empire in the history of the world. And I think he's right on this.

but yes, the idiotic american war in iraq created a vacuum filled by isis, and rewarded the saudis for attacking us on 9/11.

george w. bush should be in prison for treason.

Probably, though intent vs misinformation on the WMDs is and was difficult to prove. The first Iraq war by Bush senior however was justified, as Iraq had invaded an allied country. No buts and ifs. Of course Kuwait has been long suspected and accused of fostering extremist religious beliefs, so making them an ally in the first place may not have been the best choice. But that's a different topic.

i find it implausible that anyone in power actually believed that iraq had WMD.

i respect colin powell a lot for resigning. seems to me that he realized he was being played.