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curious2 says

are in fact racist, sexist, and homophobic, and within the Republican party they add up to a majority, and they tend to prefer Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or Michele Hucksterbee, whose combined votes outnumber Donald Trump's.

They do? Source?

Heraclitusstudent says

The other point here is this: are you saying we should write off 35% of the population because you don't like their opinion.

If so, I have to ask, do you actually believe in democracy?

I don't know. What would you say in 1860 when, what, 40% of the population wanted legalized slavery. Does democracy dictate I have to respect them?

No, because 40% isn't a majority.

But 2/3 against the TPP is a clear majority.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/survey-obamas-trade-proposal-tough-sell-most-americans-n372306

Why does Obama hate democracy? Why is he aligning with the GOPe against the clear preference of the majority of Americans?

You can't argue "Oh, well, he has to embrace a popular position or the Republicans will beat him." because this is not a popular position; it's about as clearly unpopular as you can be on any position.

tatupu70 says

I don't know. What would you say in 1860 when, what, 40% of the population wanted legalized slavery. Does democracy dictate I have to respect them?

Doing so might have avoided the bloodiest most destructive war the US has ever endured. Surely the process could have been handled more smoothly over a longer period of negotiations. We didn't have a civil war over civil rights in 1963, so maybe politicians learned a little something in a hundred years.

Are you seriously advocating we have another civil war?

thunderlips11 says

What economic policies does Hillary endorse that are a break with failed policies? When are her "millions of high tech jobs to serve 1 Billion new customers" finally arriving? What is her solution to Disney laying off American Workers in favor of H1-Bs, despite stellar job performance?

I say it's more unifying to have whites and blacks working $15/hr + benefit jobs at the new American Carrier and Ford plants while dropping racial epithets at each other, than saying "We're all together" as people duke it out over P/T shitty $8/hr warehouse, big box store, and other McJobs.

I agree and wish there was a credible candidate running that was right on trade. Well, actually there is on the Dem. side, but he's unlikely to survive the nomination fight. As much as I want someone to abandon the free trade scourge that has decimated US jobs, I'm not willing to vote for literally anyone who promises that policy change. Trump has too many other issues that outweigh some of his good policy ideas, IMO.

tatupu70 says

I agree and wish there was a credible candidate running that was right on trade. Well, actually there is on the Dem. side, but he's unlikely to survive the nomination fight. As much as I want someone to abandon the free trade scourge that has decimated US jobs, I'm not willing to vote for literally anyone who promises that policy change. Trump has too many other issues that outweigh some of his good policy ideas, IMO.

Tatupu, check above:

Why is Obama endorsing the deeply unpopular TPP where 2/3 of all Americans are opposed? As a supposedly pro-worker Democrat, he has an over-whelmingly clear general population mandate to oppose it.

Also, Hillary stumped for the TPP and other unfair trade treaties her entire career. ONLY did she say something like "We'll have to be sure it's a fair treaty" - plenty of wiggle room to pass it - last summer.

Quigley says

Doing so might have avoided the bloodiest most destructive war the US has ever endured. Surely the process could have been handled more smoothly over a longer period of negotiations. We didn't have a civil war over civil rights in 1963, so maybe politicians learned a little something in a hundred years.

Are you seriously advocating we have another civil war?

Of course not. I'm saying that it's OK to write off some opinions.

tatupu70 says

I'm not willing to vote for literally anyone who promises that policy change. Trump has too many other issues that outweigh some of his good policy ideas, IMO.

Agreed.

I wonder whether there were some Germans that helped Hitler come to power, who liked him because they thought he was going to be great for their economy, and therefore they were willing to tolerate his extreme antisemitism and his fantasies of global domination.

Heraclitusstudent says

We've been telling Trump supporters that he is a racist, a sexist, and a bigot, as reasons for why Trump should not and cannot be the next president of the United States

That's why his supporters like him! He's just like them!

So if I don't allow a transsexual black woman who used to be a man into my house to stay free and eat my food for free- am I racist, sexist, homophobe??

thunderlips11 says

Why is Obama endorsing the deeply unpopular TPP where 2/3 of all Americans are opposed? As a supposedly pro-worker Democrat, he has an over-whelmingly clear general population mandate to oppose it.

Also, Hillary stumped for the TPP and other unfair trade treaties her entire career. ONLY did she say something like "We'll have to be sure it's a fair treaty" - plenty of wiggle room to pass it - last summer.

I'd guess Obama believes it best to pass TPP despite his constituencies opposition. He's let down the Dem. base many times.

tatupu70 says

He's let down the Dem. base many times

Obama has always been a centrist. He ran to the right of Clinton. Only racist lumatics think he is a lefty / pinko commie.

Ironman says

Yet, you'll continue to support and vote for the Blue team... How's that Hope and Change working out for you?

The true Definition of Insanity...

lol--Obama hasn't been as liberal as hoped, but he is light years better than anything the Republican party could offer.

Ironman says

Yet, you'll continue to support and vote for the Blue team... How's that Hope and Change working out for you?

Hope and change worked out slightly better than compassionate christian. Obama didn't destabilize the entire mid east like the shrub managed to do. The only good thing to be said for Obama.

anonymous says

What % of Democrats does the this apply to ? Stupidism is alive and well in urban areas as well. You're in Chicago, spend a few evenings down on the South Side or better yet spend the weekend in Gary and see how well you are received (once you have been relieved of your car, wallet, phone, your wife/girlfriend etc.) and then report back. And don't those areas qualify as urban and vote primarily democrat ?

Republicans certainly don't have a monopoly on dumb, although many of them seem to wear their stupidity as a badge of honor.

Ironman says

bob2356 says

Obama didn't destabilize the entire mid east like the shrub managed to do. The only good thing to be said for Obama.

Yes, the middle east is so much better under Obama the last 4 years or so....

He didn't fix it, but he didn't break it in the first place either.

bob2356 says

Hope and change worked out slightly better than compassionate christian. Obama didn't destabilize the entire mid east like the shrub managed to do. The only good thing to be said for Obama.

I guess Libya doesn't belong to the mid East.

gsr says

bob2356 says

Hope and change worked out slightly better than compassionate christian. Obama didn't destabilize the entire mid east like the shrub managed to do. The only good thing to be said for Obama.

I guess Libya doesn't belong to the mid East.

No it doesn't, it belongs to north africa. Libya nor the entire arab spring would have never happened without the iraq war.

gsr says

I guess Libya doesn't belong to the mid East.

Or Syria.

Or Yemen.

thunderlips11 says

gsr says

I guess Libya doesn't belong to the mid East.

Or Syria.

Or Yemen.

I'm sorry but I just don't remember sending half a million troops into libya yeman, or syria to kill a secular leader while idiotically disbanding the only stabilizing force in the entire country and even better presenting a cause celebre to every radical islamic jihadist organization on the planet. Did I miss that on the news some how?

Heraclitusstudent says

We've been telling Trump supporters that he is a racist

Funny how the mainstream media powered by the establishment rallies against Trump. Today on NPR a piece about how a contested convention is almost certain because of Cruz's win in Wisconsin. Meanwhile Trump has increased his commanding lead in NY and if he sweeps all delegates (which he will if the polls are accurate) Wisconsin won't matter a iota.

Quigley says

If they called Trump on the free trade issue and attacked him over wanting to end the largest decimation of the middle class since the industrial revolution, they'd be truthful. Instead they are using propaganda hot button terms like racist, sexist, and Islamophobe to attack his campaign and credibility. These are meaningless in the face of the ongoing extermination of America's middle class.

He doesn't have an answer to the decimation of the middle class, but he knows how to get votes by somehow convincing people that he does. You know, because "he makes the best deals. Everyone agrees. "

Funny thing is, maybe Trump isn't a racist. He just plays one on TV.

I hear Quigley basically saying, he's totally willing to overlook the U.S. making a guy that definitely seems to be a racist buffoon President, because he believes that Trump has the solution to hard goods manufacturing moving to other countries for several decades now. You know, just because Trump says so.

Don't worry, it's not like Trump is a bullshitter or anything.