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YesYNot says

If I had a job in robotics and other automation methods, I'd be against free trade too. I haven't heard any noise from Trump about imposing tariffs on goods made by robots in the US.

Outsourcing and Insourcing is fine, as long as AFT and SEIU jobs are subject to H1-B visas and an "Open Borders" policy exists with little certification and no tenure. Along with the BAR and AMA.

If it's good enough for the white working class, who can't be protected, it's good enough for the white credentialed middle class who also should not be protected. No reason a Jamaican, Canadian, or British lawyer, or a FIlipina Teacher or Nurse can't take a few months course to practice US Civil or Criminal Law for a couple of thousand bucks. Besides, as all the property-tax and corporate tax (and indirectly, employee's income tax) high value added manufacturing leaves, and Multinationals offshore more and more of their R&D and patents as well, we'll have to cut down on the high wages of the educated middle class because of the declining tax base. If we raise taxes, then non-service businesses will leave for low-tax, low-wage regimes even faster.

We should also cut down patent protection, to encourage rapid introduction and usage of technologies. Boy would companies rush to market if they only had 5 year patents.

As everybody knows, the secret to success is low wages for the most people. Look at The Congo and Gabon compared to third world Austria and Germany.

blowmeironvagina says

Trump is not fit to be president, and the damage he can do to this country, it's economy, and place in the world in 4 years might not ever be repairable. Sometimes, when you pour fuel on a fire, you burn the whole building down. Creating a real war with islam is about as bad an idea as possible, and demonizing the whole religion would be a good way to start that. More discrimination, worse treatment in the US leads to more disaffected youths, fertile recruitment and more terrorism. More terrorism leads to more discrimination, and the cycles grow.

Bombing people in Muslim countries and invading Muslim countries has certainly fueled a violent backlash. Toppiling the Assad regime and disenfranchising his party gave rise to ISIS. Trump did not do that. Iraq, Libya, Syria - these are Hillary's disasters as well as W's and Obummers. Job losses and declining middle class due to disastrous trade deals - Bill and Hillary. Wall Street crimes destroying the economy and lives of millions - Bill, Hillary, W and Obummer. Inarcerating large numbers of predatory blacks - Bill and Hillary, not Trump.

Without white voters, Trump couldn't win county dog-catcher. They're voting as a bloc for him, just because he's white.

blowmeironvagina says

Creating a real war with islam is about as bad an idea as possible, and demonizing the whole religion would be a good way to start that.

The truth is Islam started a war with the rest of the world 1,400 years ago. It's time to win that war and free the innocent Muslims who don't want to be part of that rotten religion.

Without voters who believe that the world is less that 10,000 years old, Trump is hosed in November.

HydroCabron says

Without voters who believe that the world is less that 10,000 years old, Trump is hosed in November.

Hillary's pledged delegate count is a misrepresentation of how things may go in the presidential election. Democrat leaning independents' votes have not been counted in many states, and so her pledged delegate count is not accurately indicative of anything more than registered Democrats who were able to vote, caucus, and did, and any pro-Hillay independents who could vote, but in those cases, Bernie gets over 2/3's, so independent primary voter disenfranchisement hurts Bernie far, far more, but absolutely skews and misrepresents Hillary's results.

It could be the perfect storm to see the incompetent Democrat party hacks lead their party to disaster. It certainly has happened often enough on the Republican side.

"42% identify as independents, 29% as Democrats, 26% as Republicans. Independent identification at least 40% for fifth consecutive year. Democrats maintain edge over GOP in party identification and leaning"

Last year, in addition to the 29% of Americans who identified as Democrats, another 16% said they were independents but leaned toward the Democratic Party, for a combined total of 45% Democrats and Democratic leaners among the U.S. population."

In addition to not having their vote represented in many primaries, many of the pro-Bernie independents will not vote for Hillary. At a maximum, that might reduce Democrat voters to 26% of the population.

On the Republican side, "26% of Americans identified as Republicans and an additional 16% identified as independents but leaned toward the Republican Party, for a combined total of 42% Republicans and Republican leaners."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

Trump can certainly win.

thunderlips11 says

If it's good enough for the white working class, who can't be protected, it's good enough for the white credentialed middle class

Credentialed people make more in all countries. Would you hire a lawyer who studied an exam manual for two weeks? Would you want someone like that building a bridge or teaching your kids? Fuck no. Engineers are facing more competition, though, as China is educating a shit load of them. I'm all for importing doctors from Cuba, because they are good.

What people have been telling the working class for 20 years is that you have to retrain and try to improve your credentials. What you are saying, is let's allow anyone to get any job with no or inferior credentials. That's not a good solution to the problem of too many uncredentialed workers.

Ironman says

Depending how many of the Free Shit Army come out to vote.

A lot of the voters you would describe to be in that group will not vote of Hillary. E.g., college kids who want their student loans to disappear like Goldman Sach's toxic securities, poor kids who want to be able to go to college. She probably won't lose the guys who sometimes feel like wearing a chiffon dress and who want to the tinkle room in the ladies room. They may be indifferent between Bernie and Hillary. They might even vote Trump.

Ironman says

True, but if these poor kids truly understood Bernie's plan, they won't be going to college either under a Bernie administration

I forget the saying, but the gist is: a liberal Democrat SJW when young, and a crotchety conservative Republican when older and perhaps wiser.

Most of Trump's support comes from whites. If he weren't white, we know it would be a different story.

Blurtman says

and a crotchety conservative Republican when older and perhaps senile

FIFY

Blurtman says

It could be the perfect storm to see the incompetent Democrat party hacks lead their party to disaster.

The problem with these shitheads is that they aren't incompetent. Hillary is a battle-hardened automaton of extraordinary destructive potential. Her moral vacancy is matched only by her hostility to goodness and niceness.

If it weren't for white voters, Trump couldn't win the election for treasurer of junior high school.

Yup, I believe that IHLlary would beat Trump if that's the way it turns out. However, what I believe would only bear a strictly random and accidental relationship to any actual future.

blowmeironvagina says

islam is about as bad an idea as possible....

One area where HRC and DJT agree is that lethal terrorism (quoting HRC's words) "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking...." DJT said more candidly, "Islam hates us." Sam Harris called Islam "the mother lode of bad ideas."

Muslims are a bit like smokers who work for tobacco advertisers, with the exception that most smokers say they want to quit and most tobacco advertisers change jobs or at least don't teach their kids to become smokers and tobacco advertisers. You might have a Muslim neighbor who seems "nice" and even lends you his lawnmower, but by definition he believes in a doctrine that commands him personally to kill you and everyone you care about if ever he gets the opportunity.

The difference is the Clinton and Bush families are both financed by Saudi Arabia. The planned Bush v Clinton contest would have been perfect for our Saudi "allies", who paid our Pakistani "allies" to hide their fellow Muslim Osama bin Laden from us for years. Bernie Sanders does not depend on Saudi funding, though he has endorsed the current administration's policy of bombing Saudi Arabia's competitors and importing Muslims into NATO countries.

Contrary to the commercial/government media PC Narrative though, among Muslims, education and wealth are actually risk factors for terrorism. As the biography of Osama bin Laden illustrates, giving Muslims more opportunities for education and wealth increases the risk they actualize their Islamic beliefs. Encouraging or even "respecting" Islam is as dangerous as encouraging or "respecting" smoking. The only conversation worth having about cancer and Islam is how to end both.

They always say "ISIS took over the Oil Fields" and "Boko Haram grows because they pay double wages to recruits."

Question is, how do they get large and powerful prior to seizing oil fields or recruiting thousands of fighters? Who gives them the tens or hundreds of millions to begin with?

curious2 says

blowmeironvagina says

islam is about as bad an idea as possible....

curious2 says

blowmeironvagina says

islam is about as bad an idea as possible....

Nice out of context quote....

"starting a war with islam is about as bad an idea as possible"

blowmeironvagina says

Nice out of context quote....

I did you a favor. If you don't want to believe me, then read the linked sources instead. Your screen name suggests you are mainly interested in trolling, and I am not going to waste time trying to save you from yourself. If you are looking for head though, you'd do better to seek out Fortwhine's toothless gums, which you can usually find in the Reseda truck stop toilet. He's also a big fan of religion, so you two should enjoy each other's company as you share a post-coital cigarette.

wow. so PC won't have a foot in the door this election?
This is Breaking Evidence....

curious2 says

One area where HRC and DJT agree is that lethal terrorism (quoting HRC's words) "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking...." DJT said more candidly, "Islam hates us." Sam Harris called Islam "the mother lode of bad ideas."

Trump gives me the most free shit. It's called a big tax break. It will be paid for by a magic economic boom engineered by Trump's genius business acumen.

YesYNot says

Trump gives me the most free shit. It's called a big tax break.

What about the reopened steel mill in Methburg, Pennsylvania, paid for by higher prices on consumer goods and more cancer?

That's welfare on the backs of independent, self-supporting Americans, for sure.

HydroCabron says

paid for by higher prices on consumer goods and more cancer?

I'm thinking that these same factories in China and Mexico pollute way more than their previous US counterparts. Or don't you care about cancer deaths in China and Mexico?

http://www.progressivestoday.com/report-many-bernie-supporters-wont-back-hillary-even-endorses/

REPORT: Bernie Supporters Won’t Back Hillary EVEN IF HE ENDORSES HER

In the event that Bernie Sanders does not get the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential race, the Democratic party has a huge problem on their hands. Many of Sanders’ supporters are making it clear that they are “Bernie or Bust,” meaning that if he doesn’t get the nomination, they still won’t vote for Hillary Clinton. This spells big trouble for the Clinton campaign and will definitely make it hard for her to beat any Republican nominee.

zzyzzx says

I'm thinking that these same factories in China and Mexico pollute way more than their previous US counterparts. Or don't you care about cancer deaths in China and Mexico?

Hard to shed a tear, really. Foreign countries are full of liberals..

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/27/democratic-strategist-trump-will-beat-hillary-like-a-baby-seal/

Democratic Strategist: Trump Will Beat Hillary Like ‘A Baby Seal’

Democratic strategist Dave “Mudcat” Saunders believes Donald Trump will beat Hillary Clinton like a “baby seal,” and that working class whites who haven’t already left the Democratic Party for cultural reasons will due so now for economic ones.

“I know a ton of Democrats — male, female, black and white — here [in southern Virginia] who are going to vote for Trump. It’s all because of economic reasons. It’s because of his populist message,” Mudcat told The Daily Caller Wednesday.

Saunders has experience working with Jim Webb, helping getting him elected to the U.S Senate in 2006 and advised his failed bid for the presidency in 2016. Saunders was also an advisor to John Edwards in his 2008 presidential bid. The Democrat strategist is renowned for connecting politicians to “Bubbas” — white, working class Southerners.

“Working class whites in the South have already departed the Democratic Party for cultural reasons. Well the working class whites in the North are now deserting the Democrats because of economic reasons,” Mudcat told TheDC. He added, “this is the new age of economic populism, man. This is about survival for a lot of people.”

Hillary Clinton, throughout the Democratic primary, has relied heavily on the black vote, she has struggled to gain support from white men. In the SEC primary, she didn’t win over 60 percent of the white vote in any of the six states. She did however gain over 80 percent of the black vote in all of them. There has been one demographic this cycle that Clinton has lost consistently to Sanders — white men.

“I know less than half a dozen white male Democrats in my part of the world who are going to vote for Hillary,” Saunders told TheDC.

He added, “Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have very similar messages, they’re just dressed in different clothes. I think you’re going to see a lot of Sanders people jump to Trump.”

When Sanders entered the primary he made a pledge to not go negative. This has hurt him as even the slightest attacks on Hillary have created a strong reaction from the Clinton campaign. When he called her unqualified to be president, Hillary’s spokesman, Brian Fallon, said it was “a new low.”

“Hillary hasn’t been shot at yet. I hear on TV people taking about Bernie Sanders being negative, he ain’t attack her, he just tapped on her,” Mudcat said. He added, “Trump’s going to take a wire-brush to her.”

Both Trump and Clinton have unfavorable ratings in polls, both at near 60 percent. Mudcat said, “I think [Trump] can drive her negs to 80.”

He thinks Trump will win the general election and said, “he’s going to knock her around like a baby seal.”

She will try to claim he's a 'misogynist' and that's why she doesn't want to debate him. She will say "I don't want to be on the same stage as someone who hates women!" and then do her little scripted town halls with hired audiences and paid-off interviewers. Calling it now. Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head. She will lose in either situation.

I think that when Clinton first started running she thought she would end up in the boxing ring with an Amateur. You know, make it look pretty for the crowd but she'd throw a few jabs and a left hook knock out. It's funny though, here she was banking on the amateur and now just before the main event, she finds out she's gonna face Mike Tyson back in his ear biting heyday! She's going to get her shit rocked!

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

tatupu70 says

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

You are looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

Blurtman says

You care looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree. But we are getting close to the time when they really start mattering.

And all of you guys seem to forget that Donald has just a little bit of baggage himself. He has alienated a large chunk of the population already.

I'm not saying he can't win, but I think the oddsmakers are about right when they have Hillary at 75% to win.

zzyzzx says

Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head.

LOL, he will be out of ammo on that one considering that he has been dodging Ted Cruz for months now.

tatupu70 says

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree.

It's not just polls, it is how representative of the ultimate voting population they are. Perhaps they are well designed, I don't know, but by their very nature they can be artifactual.

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

Blurtman says

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

Yep--we'll have to wait and see. Most exit polling shows the opposite of what you say (Dems much more likely to unite for Clinton than Reps are for Trump) but this is obviously a very unusual election so who knows.

tatupu70 says

ost exit polling shows

But keep in mind that independents could not vote in many state's primaries, and so exit polling is a bit of GIGO.

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary.

thunderlips11 says

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

Trump and Bernie are the ones with voter headroom.
I think Hillary has maxed out. Anyone that would vote for Hillary now are admiting that they don't give a crap about none of the daming evidence toward her.
Those voting for Bernie, aren't in love with the fact that he's a socialist, they like that he is not HIllary. If she beats out Bernie, Trump will take away more votes from him than she will.
And Cruz and Kasich has a few that will go to Hillary rather than vote for Trump.

It's going to be a tight race. It might be another 2000 where just 4 votes decides the winner, in November.

I don't think Hillary is going to get a grassroots movement out to the polls, where the line wraps around many blocks and the pols has to stay open until midnight.

I think Hillary's general ection totals, will be about the same as her Primary numbers has been.

Now Trump keeps saying he's won more percentage wise, but the reality is, Hillary has actually had more Primary votes than anyone. If these numbers were being used to decide the winner, then Hillary would be the President after the primaries.

My hope is Trump breaks off Bernie, Cruz, and Kasich's numbers to make up the 10% deficit that Hillary has over him.

Otherwise he loses. I hate to say that, but that's the truth.

If Hillary doesn't have voters waiting in the wings and Trump takes supporters from those that dropped out, then he will win, if not count on a Hillary presidency.

Unless Obama hates Hillary so bad, he's waiting until after the primaries, to sick his prosecutor guard dogs on him. I wouldn't put that past him.
Then when she's out of the way, the DNC could just install Joe Biden as the Democrat surrogate candidate.
If they time it right, just a few weeks for the election. They might be able to catch the election while they were running Biden's name up the flag pole, and he was the high before the lull.
If they do it too soon, he might peter out before the election. So I would expect Hillary getting served with papers late September to early October, Putting Biden in mid October, that gives him two weeks to pull the wool over the voters eyes, before they get voters remorse.

tatupu70 says

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

At least 90% of them will. The ones who won't will sit out.