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tr6 says

So why is the Fed keeping rates at 0.25 helping inflate other asset classes?

This statement right here... this is what I point out to young Americans who want to know about real economics.

Why is the Fed Funds rate at a 0.25% With rising inflation for years now, not deflation ...

A. Deflationary spirals are something that is very difficult to find in American economics, Great Recession was a massive household debt bubble, but once broken adjusting to demographics the cycle is running at par to what expectation should have been

B. However, demographic deflationary factors are a real issue, more global that here, older people don't spend like younger people do. Japan and German are a lot older than us.

This will in time hit our shores but not yet....

We still have a massive young work force coming on line

You can make a case that the Fed is behind the curve but .... the real question is can the world actually handle a stronger dollar?

All these one trick pony economies tied to exports got smashed with the dollar rise ... These countries aren't balanced enough and don't have a service sector economy to off set the exporting factor.

China, got the memo... they're desperately trying to copy the U.S. Model but China's prime age labor force growth peaked in 2015..

Massive young workforce coming online, who are debt laden by expensive school loans, and find no huge tech sector stock run up to save them, and most jobs are service industry paying minimum wage. Fabulous!

Meanwhile stocks, big money makes more money, FIRE still booming. The net gain to society for money growing is what? Money from money produces nothing.

The engine is revving high, but the car ain't in gear. We aren't going anyplace.

Rew says

Massive young workforce coming online, who are debt laden by expensive school loans

70% of college debt is 14K and under
13% of college debt is over 50K
3% of college debt is over 100K

40% of total college debt is held buy Grad

students

Don't worry about educated Americans who are buying homes and cars ... having kids

They're going to be fine

Now

30% of all student loan debt is held by college drop outs and the average balance is 9K

They make up the majority of the loans delinquent

Rew says

The net gain to society for money growing is what? Money from money produces nothing

You have deep dark view of this country, your bad America will never happen, if it did you would have left this country a long time ago and taken your family from such a horrible economy

Now I can add the charts of each one above going back to 1939 if you like, but your thesis of an economy going no where has no single data point to reflect such a dark view of America

Logan Mohtashami says

70% of college debt is 14K and under

13% of college debt is over 50K

3% of college debt is over 100K

40% of total college debt is held buy Grad

Your numbers have been disputed before yet you keep posting the same BS.

tr6 says

Your numbers have been disputed before yet you keep posting the same BS.

The numbers are the exact numbers reported for many years by every single Agencies that reports the data.

I have tried to explain this, you guys aren't reading the data properly and I explained exactly why...

If you don't want to learn then I am not going to force it on you guys.

Logan Mohtashami says

70% of college debt is 14K and under

13% of college debt is over 50K

3% of college debt is over 100K

Let's look at it another way assuming total debt is 1T

14000 0.7 $700,000,000,000.00 50,000,000 with under 14k in debt
50000 0.13 $130,000,000,000.00 2,600,000 with over 50K in debt
100000 0.03 $30,000,000,000.00 300,000 people with over 100K in debt

Does not that look a little scarier?

tr6 says

Does not that look a little scarier?

Not at all...

What you're afraid of is that highly educated Americans who make a lot money are all about to fall into to deflationary spiral because they can't spend things which they have already bought?

Fallacy of logic is great, hence why I keep on hearing about this student loan debt bubble crushing America and it hasn't done anything to the magnitude to what the extreme views

A better thesis is that those who went to college, drop outed, have the debt but no degree, now that group has issues for sure.

I am not worried about educated Americans who have been buying homes in this cycle, that fear is misplaced

Ok. Logan. I am not going to change your mind on this one, so let's try another one.

What percent of healthcare spending is for treating obesity or related hear diseases? How fast did obesity rise in the lats 10 years? it's been very positive for GDP and inflation. Is that all part of your "ra ra ra" thesis too?

On another note, keep an eye out on the close today, yields are making a slight come back, if a close 1.56% and above happens, then the channel is in tact as yield slippage has been very common on the outer band in this cycle on 10's on a 3-4 basis point.

A close of 1.55% and under and it's a legit

tr6 says

How fast did obesity rise in the lats 10 years?

Obesity charts are looking awful and especially major obesity cases

Ironworker says

but in the game nobody can really predict?

Yes you can, post WWII all economic recessionary data has been the most easiest to spot because you're working from an elevated area of economic output

- Claims
- LEI
- JOLTS
- Over investment thesis
- ( Fed) fighting inflation

Those 5 above have stayed intact since March of 2009

The problem I see is that people selectively choose raw data to try to make a big velocity economic statement

That's not how economics works, at won't point do we just admit that the Super Bears where just terrible in their 2nd Great Recession calls from 2009

Ironman says

He'll never change, he's a CNBC wannbe, so he's practicing posting disingenuous economic data, in case they might hire him.

Coming from a Zero Hedge reader I take that as the best compliment ever!

To be fair I haven't show those with over 200K that 0.06%

This is 2012 data, same baseline 2010-2016 Noting has deviated from this trend because it mathematically can't

You're trying to bend and break the laws of math at the same time,

limf (X) = sky
x-a

Isn't going to work with student loan debt in terms of debt group breakdown, that has never been the case in modern day history

She is still holding the line! Big reversal intra day and we didn't breach the intraday low's of the year

Die boomers die!

1.62% 10 year yield

10 basis point reversal from the lows of yesterday

Yield slippage outer band thesis has worked perfectly in this cycle at key technical points

This multi year 1.60% has now held up through every world mama drama story we have seen

Work off this thesis and know that only the Spanish default fears was the only economic story that was able to push yields lower than this

4 basis point reversal on 10's ... Once again 1.60 has held 💪🏾💪🏾

Que paso

1.46% Flight from Europe.

errc says

Que paso

Heraclitusstudent says

1.46% Flight from Europe.

If we can get a close under 1.43%... this will break the Spanish Default Fear Trade lows on 2012.

Then, we are in uncharted areas in 10's

The only print we had intr day was 1.35% during 2012

Both 2012 and 2016 getting to these levels, both caused by Euro Zone issues, this time... we have massive negative yields in play unlike 2012

Germany's 15 year is negative... I can't express how nutty that is

The most interesting fact now... We have rising service inflation at 3.2% and ECI wage inflation at 3.5% and Wage inflation for Job switchers at 4%

It doesn't matter, negative yield story and the deflationary factors from Europe and Japan... Makes our yields too juicy to resit

Logan Mohtashami says

Makes our yields too juicy to resit

You will doing a lot of refis.

Together with a flood of oil and commodities bust. Not a safe haven.

Strategist says

You will doing a lot of refis.

Not as much as you think, I was explaining to CNBC today with charts that to see a 2012 Refi Boom again 10's need to be 0.87%- 1.08%

Always a supply of refinance people but to get a boom you need lower yields

Logan Mohtashami says

Strategist says

You will doing a lot of refis.

Not as much as you think, I was explaining to CNBC today with charts that to see a 2012 Refi Boom again 10's need to be 0.87%- 1.08%

Always a supply of refinance people but to get a boom you need lower yields

Maybe not a boom, but a surge, definitely.
Home purchases will boom like crazy, just wait and see.

Strategist says

Home purchases will boom like crazy, just wait and see.

No on that either, seasonality kicked already, it helps those who are in contract now... but the low rate velocity has been totally debunked in this cycle

Even 2016 purchase application data is only back to 1998 levels where rates were 4% plus higher

Logan Mohtashami says

Strategist says

Home purchases will boom like crazy, just wait and see.

No on that either, seasonality kicked already, it helps those who are in contract now... but the low rate velocity has been totally debunked in this cycle

Even 2016 purchase application data is only back to 1998 levels where rates were 4% plus higher

Lets make a sportsman's bet.
I say home sales will hit multi year highs for the US and OC. - 2016
Home prices will hit a double digit increase in OC - 2016

Strategist says

I say home sales will hit multi year highs for the US and OC. - 2016

That isn't saying much considering how low sales are at.. all you need is a 5.30 total sale beat for existing homes and over 500K in new homes

Heats month in terms of total volume for applications come in 2nd week of Jan - 1st week of May, after that seasonality kicks in

You will see a boost in refinance application but.. housing is a process, no 1 week push for people to buy a home that were never looking to buy...

Hence why the heat months are the most important for total home sales, that was positive this year up 25% when it mattered

Logan Mohtashami says

That isn't saying much considering how low sales are at.. all you need is a 5.30 total sale beat for existing homes and over 500K in new homes

I'll be thrilled with 3.5

Strategist says

I'll be thrilled with 3.5

I am still waiting for the MBA index to break 300 on the 4 week moving average, then we can get back to 1999 demand

Wow! Yes with May's 0.6% growth in ECI and 0.2% growth in CPI I'm sure the Fed will raise rates any day now. It was a narrow miss last time, so now with the Brexit, money fleeing into bonds/treasuries and even gold, it looks like we will need to cool this bad boy down. (end sarcasm)

Economic engine for the recovery has been stuck in idle, low flat growth, and the nationalist populist barbarians haven't gotten to participate in the recovery. They are pissed off, and at the gates.

Logan, please post them some of your graphs, and make them understand. They are about to eat my 401K and much much more.

Rew says

Yes with May's 0.6% growth in ECI

Did you just use ECI... eekkksss..... So he has called 2 recession back in 2011 and in 2015 and his own index went against him

Here is a common theme for Americans recession

World economic problems will eventual hit the U.S. shores

Just a penny for this bad thesis since 2011...

It is very true, the major world economies are having many issues, France, Germany, Japan, China, Brazil... etc etc and now the U.K.

We are simply too big and to strong of an economy to have an imported recession...

The world is relying on us to dig them out of a recession.

Strategist says

The world is relying on us to dig them out of a recession.

We are always playing Atlas

So embarrassing ... Europe... since 2011.. one drama to another .... and now their demographics are going to get bad... France declares a Economic State of Emergency and are having riots due to labor laws

F*_+@#)$# pathetic ....

Logan Mohtashami says

We are simply too big and to strong of an economy to have an imported recession...

Yes we have our own recessions every 6-10 years. Last one was 8 years ago.
Maybe we can't be pulled into someone else's ditch but we can be nudged into our own?

You know, butterflies creating hurricanes and all that.