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Most people agree that by today's "standards" Trumps hip-shooting quips may not be very presidential - of course presidents in former times used harsh language regularly, but it has become a PC no-no. I think it would be good for the Donald to be a bit softer sometimes, but all this identity politics crap does is detract from the real issues. And in this case Khan viciously attacked Trump with blabbering bs ,and Trump responded on the same level, while acknowledging that Khan's son was a war hero (which has nothing to do with today's migrant problems). Not to forget that Trump has always been raising large sums of money for army vets of all colors and religions. Like Strat said, there are many heroes of all religions and colors in the army including Khan's son, but that has nothing to do with the incompatibility of most forms of Islam and western values. European countries are just coming around to finally have the guts to try and ban the burka, which basically rolled back 100 years of women's liberation movements. During WW2 there were many German heroes who helped Jewish refugees to survive by hiding them while risking their own lives, however it would have been idiotic for the allies to change their war against Hitler because the majority of Germans weren't nearly as evil as their command. These identity politics stand-offs accomplish nothing.

Ironman says

You seriously have some comprehension issues. What you "hear" at first is the liberal media "spinning" and doing a cut and paste of his comments. Then when a follow-up interview takes place, ALL the FACTS come out, which then destroys the original libbie attack. You really need to find better "news" sources:

And that's another big problem. Interviews are doctored in a way that they are truncated and reordered to sound really harsh (while they still can claim they did not alter or add words) and released back into the public, inciting more division. Reminds me of the Zimmerman tapes where he said 'Looks like he's up to no good' and minutes later after being asked for a description he told the dispatcher that 'he's black' and then they simply put those 2 sentences next to each other to make a good story. The media would be very disappointed and try to come up with all kinds of doctored stuff if Trump suddenly would start commenting "softly". They basically would run out of material, it's all they got right now.

Cowards get five deferments? & let others serve.

Ironman says

Bernie campaigned for a year AGAINST the 1%ers and Hillary's favoritism of Wall Street,

Bernie knows trump will be better for the 1pct than Hillary, because he can read a tax plan and knows how Washington works. He also knows that Trump will be disastrous for our country and for social issues which Bernie cares a lot about. The one good thing about a trump presidency is that it may lead to a huge mid term turnout to get the house back to Democrats. That's why Bernie has said throughout the debates and primary that Hillary would be better than Trump. Total consistency.

mell says

And that's another big problem. Interviews are doctored in a way that they are truncated and reordered to sound really harsh (while they still can claim they did not alter or add words) and released back into the publi

Yes, that's a problem.

Another problem is that the version Trump's people released makes him look just as bad, so your objection is irrelevant in this case.

mell says

all this identity politics crap does is detract from the real issues

Trump's campaign begins and ends with identity politics. When pressed for policy details, his response is "Just watch - I alone can fix this. Now let me tell you what these Muslims did to us."

I know that patrick.net is now an alt-right racist site, but can you post less laughably incoherent nonsense?

Ironman says

Because everybody that went out there, we also had John Allen who failed with ISIS. I mean, he was a general, Allen, General Allen.

Allen is well respected in the military. People know who he is. No one knew who Flynn was until he exploded a can of bat shit crazy at the RNC.

I posted this, because the whole thing is a perfect example of thin skinned don saying something stupid. It's really irrelevant otherwise. Kahn did a great job and was very moving. He's an example of someone you can not attack and look good. At least Trump didn't tweet about the disabled girl who Hillary helped years ago. He might get around to it though. He might not have watched that one yet. We can always hope.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/khizr-khan-donald-trump-black-soul/

Ironman says

What was that you said about being honest and not misleading?

I am being honest. When there are 30% democrats and 26% republicans, you can state this as either 4 points more democrats or 15% more democrats. When you use one terminology in one case and the other terminology in the other case to make your point look better, you are just making yourself look like a dishonest participant. Or, more colorfully, when you do that you look like a dishonest douchebag. Did you do that on accident, because you don't understand math? If so, then I will apologize. If not, why did you use that trick?Ironman says

Yes, let's carry on and on for a week

It will be carried on for as long as Donald is stupid enough to talk about it. Hopefully, he will attempt to avenge his honor.

Ironman says

Yes, let's carry on and on for a week with this minor issue

The RNC trotted out grieving relatives to attack Hillary. She kept her mouth shut, and it died down.

This would have dropped immediately after the Democratic National Convention, but Lil' Donny Birther always responds to attacks. He has kept it going as the Democrats have stayed out of the way: if your enemy is determined to destroy himself, don't get in his way.

I look forward to seeing how 'Bloomberg' writes about Trump after Trump said he wanted to punch the little one in the face so hard his head spun around. Smart move, that. Can't wait until he is working 'for' all of us.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-31/backlash-grows-against-trump-s-comments-on-dead-muslim-soldier-s-parents

Ironman says

whiners just can't handle direct statements

9/11 happened because of the Failure, standard operating procedure, of Republicans.
Republican WMD LIE killed American servicemen.

Let me get Republican whiners a crying towel.

Fuck anyone that says Trump hasn't read The U.S. Constitution,
although it was 140 characters at a time.

Ironman says

Which makes your statement a lie again.

I acknowledge that in my initial post, here: http://patrick.net/?p=1293902&c=1309843#comment-1309843

Why do you attempt to call me a liar, when I provided you with the links you are using and acknowledged that the lead has disappeared. In my example of 30% and 26% is using the numbers that you were using here: http://patrick.net/?p=1293902&c=1309849#comment-1309849

You know what you did. I pointed it out. You couldn't respond to it, so you changed the subject and called me a liar. That's why people don't want to talk to you. OK, go ahead and make up some more shit if you want. I'm done.

Here's John Allen responding to Trump in general and directly referencing Kahn's family. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ret-gen-john-allen-donald-trump-credibility/story?id=41021091

HydroCabron says

Trump's campaign begins and ends with identity politics. When pressed for policy details, his response is "Just watch - I alone can fix this. Now let me tell you what these Muslims did to us."

Trump has a program on his website, it is the left who constantly chooses not to debate the policies but go for "racist", "misogynist", "fat birther". A losing strategy thus far. It's the wrong way if you want to beat him.

MMR says

Makes for good tv, something Hillary can't do in addition to being as much of a compulsive liar as trump

Father needs to ask himself about his son joining an illegal war, when it was clear at the time - and proven now that the 'missing pages' have been released - that Saudi Arabia, not Saddam Hussein, were the main drivers behind 9/11.

We should also ask why it's not a big deal that a major party candidate gets so much money from a country that is the #1 or #2 funder of Islamist Terrorism worldwide, Saudi Arabia.

Thousands of US Citizens did NOT die in a Night Wolves Terror Attack, but in a Saudi Islamist Terror Attack, on 9/11.

mell says

Trump has a program on his website, it is the left who constantly chooses not to debate the policies but go for "racist", "misogynist", "fat birther".

He is fat.
He is a birther.
He is racist.
He is a misogynist.

To deny these facts is simple political correctness.

“My advice to our nominee would be to start talking about the issues that the American people care about, and to start doing it now,” McConnell said. “In addition to that, it’s time to quit attacking various people that you competed with, or various minority groups in the country, and get on message.”

McConnell's an asshole. Will trump have the balls to attack him? Sir tweets a lot has miles to go before he sleeps.

mell says

Trump has a program on his website, it is the left who constantly chooses not to debate the policies but go for "racist", "misogynist", "fat birther".

Thanks for the clarification.

I was under the mistaken impression that Trump has called Rubio "Little Marco," that he routinely tweets "crooked Hillary" and has said "lock her up," and that he said Ted Cruz's wife was ugly, bragged Melania was prettier.

Thank you for the information that Trump is a deep policy thinker running a high-road campaign.

Here is a list of 250 people, places and things Trump has insulted on Twitter: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

HydroCabron says

Ted Cruz's wife was ugly, bragged Melania was prettier.

LOL. He really said that? I told you he was honest.

Ironman says

Oh, you forgot to say "Fat Birther".

That triggers you, doesn't it? You sure have a sad every time you see it.

Why don't you go to your safe space?

mell says

A losing strategy thus far. It's the wrong way if you want to beat him.

I'm looking around patnet for some high-minded discussion of Hillary's policies. You know, something persuasive, not stooping to personal vilification.

But I'm finding mostly threads full of terms like "gunt." These threads were certainly started by the left, as the right is too high-minded for that sort of thing.

I'll keep poking around.

HydroCabron says

I was under the mistaken impression that Trump has called Rubio "Little Marco," that he routinely tweets "crooked Hillary" and has said "lock her up," and that he said Ted Cruz's wife was ugly, bragged Melania was prettier.

If you take most of these incidents it usually was the other side starting out with a personal attack. They never even bothered to debate his policies. He was the first one to successfully overcome Godwin's law. Gotta give him fat credit for that. For most politicians it's usually the end of the line once the racist mysoginist gendrist bullshit card is played. I think it's fine to debate along the lines of whether he is presidential enough or even not smart enough/stupid as long as arguments are made based on policies. But calling somebody misogynist who had many successful relationships and happy spouses/kids or calling somebody racist who fought for Jewish and black people to live/work at his properties back then when it was much harder to be a SJW is simply dumber than trumper.

Let's go back to 9/11. If we had a stricter Visa policy, and vetting actually meant something, 9/11 wouldn't have happened, then the kid wouldn't have had to die and would have been alive.

HydroCabron says

That triggers you, doesn't it? You sure have a sad every time you see it.

Impossible.

A thin-skinned, two-faced, easily offended, treading-lightly, politically correct politician is the last thing this or any other first world nation needs right now.

Whether they are only using it as an excuse or not, radical Islamic (not Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or Zoroastrian) terrorists are at the center of this runaway, cowardly barbarism.

They have sexism, child abuse, scripture and most importantly oil money and rapid worldwide publicity already working in their favor. We do not need an enabler as commander in chief.

Waving the constitution at Trump is not where this man or this media should be focusing their anger.

Hypocritically, you would clearly disregard the gold star Bengazi mother in the same way. There is no point in denying that double standard. Unlike Hillary Clinton, Trump had no direct or indirect part in the death of the soldier. You are foolish if you think she has more respect for their religion. She simply lies and hides her true feelings.

Personally, I don't like Donald Trump. I think he games the system and has taken far too much advantage of the Federal Reserve system for his own engradizement, but he is thick-skinned and politically incorrect on an issue that is spreading like last stage cancer through the entire first world.

Today we need George Patton at the helm more than we need the quintessential double-speaking, above the law, elitist politician.

Radical Islam mixed with oil money and worldwide publicity IS the problem. They wear no uniform, have no honor, and chant in the name of a false god as they murder innocent civilians. The gold star father's anger would be better targeted at those radicals.

Why do I know the Arabic word for "infidel" and not an Arabic word for slime-ball, evil, murderous, backward, sexist, abusers of the Koran?

It is the first and greatest responsibility of decent Muslims everywhere to come up with that new insulting and derogatory term for these cowardly jerks. They need to stand-up and call it out to these radicals with the same fervor as he waved the constitution at Mr. Trump - even if it means taking up arms against their fellow Muslims in defense of righteousness - because the division reveals true evil. Let an internal Muslim revolution settle this in the name of Allah. It is impossible that a true God would sanction this behavior, let alone reward it.

mell says

But calling somebody misogynist who had many successful relationships and happy spouses

"Many successful relationships?"

That's one way to spin "twice-divorced serial adulterer who'd like to bang his daughter."

I also enjoyed "Fox viewers give low marks to bimbo @MegynKelly will consider other programs!" and "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."

The list of nasty remarks Trump has made about women is a target-rich environment.

What is Trump's angle here? He was still tweeting about it this morning. Is he trying to win this debate, distract from the Crimea debacle, or distract from Hillary's four Pinocchio gaffe yesterday?

YesYNot says

What is Trump's angle here?

None.

He has spent his adult life surrounded by yes-men who say "Yeah, Boss!", "Great idea, Boss!" and "Whatever you say, Boss!"

He sees every personal interaction as a contest, in which one party wins and the other loses. He has no idea how to back down, or how to handle being despised without hitting back. As Willie Brown said, if you're going to be in politics, you have to handle having millions of people openly despise you.

This is not a calculated strategy. Trump can't control himself, because he's a malignant narcissist who's spent his life among lickspittles. Look how he treats Christie, Pence, Rubio: destroy, humiliate, enslave, fuck, kill. To remain silent in the face of the Khan's criticism is to become their bitch, in his mind. He's somewhere in 2nd grade.

It's why Trump shouldn't be given the nuclear codes.

Hillary's voting record in the Senate got his son Killed.
This guy is spitting on his own son's grave.

Tenpoundbass says

Hillary's voting record in the Senate got his son Killed.

Yes, Hillary supported that war.

Trump openly supported that war. You supported that war. It's probably that everyone you have ever voted for supported that war.

You put that boy in his grave.

Tenpoundbass says

Hillary's voting record in the Senate got his son Killed.

Yup. And 400,000 Syrians. Destabilizing a regime where ISIS has a presence will do that. And many tens of thousands if not more, Libyans.

tRUMP triples down. Smears parents as Sharia Jihadists. Are we supposed to believe that these Jihadists raised a son that would fight in the US military? How dumb do the smearists think we are?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/khizr-khan-smeared_us_579f5c3ae4b0e2e15eb65db1

HEY YOU says

Fuck anyone that says Trump hasn't read The U.S. Constitution,

although it was 140 characters at a time.

Obama read the constitution, so what? Didn't stop him from bastardizing it.

Fuck anyone who says that Nancy Pelosi didn't read the affordable care act...we have to forgive them, they needed "pass it to see what was in it"...I guess that's constitutional as well.

Hillary Clinton voted for patriot act, I guess that's constitutional as well.

YesYNot says

Smears parents as Sharia Jihadists.

That's the conundrum with moderate Muslims, they may/may not openly angle for sharia but most will happily acquiesce if someone else fights for it on their behalf and succeeds in gaining the opportunity to practice sharia law

MMR says

Obama read the constitution, so what? Didn't stop him from bastardizing it.

I think that you are admitting that Trump hasn't read the constitution, but that is OK. Your reasoning is that Obama has read it, but you think he bastardized it in some way. Good stuff.

YesYNot says

Smears parents as Sharia Jihadists.

Well, he certainly faced down that baby at his rally.

If he wins a dissing battle with the family of a heroic dead US soldier, hell, that would be impressive. I hope he keeps this up, and spares nothing in this fight. We need to put the families of dead soldiers in their place, so America can be great again!

HydroCabron says

We need to put the families of dead soldiers in their place, so America can be great again!

Funny enough, Colbert did a skit last night asking "Is there anyone Trump won't attack?" The next morning, he goes after a baby.

www.youtube.com/embed/Oh4BUE0c6FQ

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dakota_Meyer/status/760592745178083328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Palin son in law rebukes trump. Who will the Palin side with?