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You really need to listen a bit harder then. I'm saying that one of his main assets, according to his fans is that he is a very successful businessman. Truth is that he inherited $250MM+ and would actually be worth more now had he simply invested that money in the S&P 500 index fund instead of building hotels and golf courses.
Ok, so you're saying that he should have put all his money in the market, and watch it grow?
OR
Build a business worth several billion (which he can always sell), and employ thousands of people.
You got my attention now.
And can you provide a source for that $250 million dollar loan from his dad? That's by far, the HIGHEST estimate I've heard - with the lowest being 1mm.
The amount varies drastically by article - and I highly doubt you know how much he inherited. Either way, so what? He has what he has - instead of being jealous, just accept it.
Hint: he could also be known as "miss twiggy" for his stupid avatar. And he has me on ignore.
Dem's hate Trump for... well, no real reason.
Let me help you with your lack of facts that might be reasons to hate trump.
5 TIME DRAFT DODGER?
Murdering & Raping Mexicans?
Grabbing joshuatrio's female loved one's by the PUSSY?
Women who trump would grab by the PUSSY probably have those that love them.
It's cute & clever as long as it doesn't happen to me.
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says
between personal and corporate bankruptcy.
To someone running on the credentials of a "great businessman" both matter.
that would be a problem with "ethics" not "judgement."
5/6 of his bankruptcies are due to his failing casinos in Atlantic city. this is due to increasing competitions as more states legalized gambling making Atlantic obsolete.
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says
this is due to increasing competitions
Good thing the Presidency of the US has very few competitive challenges and low stakes. Trump will do fine.
Let me help you with your lack of facts that might be reasons to hate trump.
5 TIME DRAFT DODGER?
Murdering & Raping Mexicans?
Grabbing joshuatrio's female loved one's by the PUSSY?
Women who trump would grab by the PUSSY probably have those that love them.
It's cute & clever as long as it doesn't happen to me.
LOL Really? Plenty of the other Presidents (including Dem's) dodged the draft. And regards to your other comments? Just plain stupid. I'd love for you to provide me "legitimate" sources for your bullshit.
"5/6 of his bankruptcies are due to his failing casinos in Atlantic city. this is due to increasing competitions as more states legalized gambling making Atlantic obsolete."
That's not a problem of judgment? He couldn't figure out that more states were legalizing gambling? That's the guy you want to be President?
And he would have filed a personal bankruptcy too if Daddy hadn't walked into one of his casino's, purchased $3MM in chips, and then gone home without playing them.
Actually his new online personality is the result of years of nonstop troll bombardment.
The Great Experiment has succeeded!
As I've mentioned before: You used to argue with common sense (think old forum) and were at least semi-respectful of others and rational in your arguments. As you've aged though, you come off as a very paranoid, senile aging old man.
And he would have filed a personal bankruptcy too if Daddy hadn't walked into one of his casino's, purchased $3MM in chips, and then gone home without playing them.
You're incredibly jealous. Wow.
Like I said before. If my kid had a business and I had the means to help him out, I'd do it. Wouldn't you?
These guys are in business to make money, not lose money. They do this legally. So you're gonna have to get over it at some point.
"You're incredibly jealous. Wow. Like I said before. If my kid had a business and I had the means to help him out, I'd do it. Wouldn't you? These guys are in business to make money, not lose money. They do this legally. So you're gonna have to get over it at some point."
lol. Jealous no. Rational, yes. I choose not to admire someone who best accomplishment was getting born into a rich family.
Of course I'd help my kid. How is that remotely relevant? I'm not knocking Dad for helping. I'm knocking Donald for being an idiot and losing hundreds of millions of $$
I choose not to admire someone who best accomplishment was getting born into a rich family.
Yet, here you are, still ranting and raving about how he was born into money, and dad helped him out.
Taking a million dollar loan from dad, and building a company worth several billion dollar company is a pretty damn good accomplishment if you ask me.
Where's the link for a $250 million dollar loan?
Of course I'd help my kid. How is that remotely relevant? I'm not knocking Dad for helping. I'm knocking Donald for being an idiot and losing hundreds of millions of $$
It's relevant, because you hate the fact that he was born into a rich family, was given some change from his dad to get started, and actually did something with his life.
Even if he took a loss at some point (which most businesses do go through ups and downs), what's the big deal?
"Yet, here you are, still ranting and raving about how he was born into money, and dad helped him out. Taking a million dollar loan from dad, and building a company worth several billion dollar company is a pretty damn good accomplishment if you ask me. Where's the link for a $250 million dollar loan?"
It was his inheritance, not a loan. But, in reality, Daddy's help was really more in getting Donald all he loans/financing he needed. Banks would never have loaned him so much money if Dad didn't intervene.
"It's relevant, because you hate the fact that he was born into a rich family, was given some change from his dad to get started, and actually did something with his life. Even if he took a loss at some point (which most businesses do go through ups and downs), what's the big deal?"
Why do you keep injecting emotion into this conversation? I don't hate him. And I certainly don't hate him for being born into a rich family.
What I dislike is folks like you or Ironman implying he is some sort of wonderful businessman. And this qualifies him for being President.
"Hey Joey, have you done that same thing?"
Give me $250MM and let's find out.
"No. it's a BUSINESS decision (something you know NOTHING about). He decided to cut his losses and get out of the shit hole AC, run by the asshole Dems."
It was a business decision required because of his poor judgment.
"Yes, how could Trump know the Dem leadership in AC would run the city right down the sewer. Doesn't Trump have a crystal ball or a time machine??"
Isn't that his job? To forecast future earnings? To develop best case, most probable case, worst case projections? Otherwise, what the hell is he doing?
That's not a problem of judgment? He couldn't figure out that more states were legalizing gambling? That's the guy you want to be President?
Indian Reservations are Federal. It was the Foxwoods casino of the Pequot Tribe in Connecticut. Nobody expected them to be allowed to host anything other than Bingo games, it was a huge shock when they jumped through all the hurdles. They ended up getting permission and built the biggest casino complex in the world.
It was his inheritance, not a loan. But, in reality, Daddy's help was really more in getting Donald all he loans/financing he needed. Banks would never have loaned him so much money if Dad didn't intervene.
So what?
And I certainly don't hate him for being born into a rich family.
Then why keep bringing it up?
What I dislike is folks like you or Ironman implying he is some sort of wonderful businessman. And this qualifies him for being President.
I never said he was an "amazing" businessman. But he is successful.
Isn't that his job? To forecast future earnings? To develop best case, most probable case, worst case projections? Otherwise, what the hell is he doing?
You would do well in government work. Never at fault, everyone else is always wrong, and somebody should predicted the future.
Sounds to me like Trump's worst case projection was to cut losses. That was probably a GOOD business decision. Unless you like to bleed cash.
"Sounds to me like Trump's worst case projection was to cut losses. That was probably a GOOD business decision. Unless you like to bleed cash."
You weren't listening well then. His worst case scenario was being homeless on the streets. He only avoided that because Daddy bought $$millions of casino chips. Otherwise he would have had to declare personal bankruptcy.
"Wait, doesn't every businessman turn a few millions into BILLIONS?"
Nope, and neither did Trump. His businesses returned less than the S&P 500 over the same time period.
His worst case scenario was being homeless on the streets. He only avoided that because Daddy bought $$millions of casino chips. Otherwise he would have had to declare personal bankruptcy.
Mother of god. Let it go. He was never homeless, he was given money, he invested it in his business and has done well for himself.
Whether or not his dad bought casino chips to float him through - so what?
You are one sad, jealous individual.
"Whether or not his dad bought casino chips to float him through - so what?"
Wow--you are a bit dense. I've explained it to you several times already. The fact that he had to be rescued by Daddy because his business acumen was so poor speaks to his judgment and business skill.
"Whether or not his dad bought casino chips to float him through - so what?"
Wow--you are a bit dense. I've explained it to you several times already. The fact that he had to be rescued by Daddy because his business acumen was so poor speaks to his judgment and business skill.
I highly doubt the entire "Trump empire" would have collapsed if his dad had not purchased 3 million in chips. Perhaps one casino, or one branch of his business - but not the entire thing.
I've asked you three times for a link/article showing that his dad gave/loaned him $250million to get started. I'd also like a link/source where his dad bailed him out for 3 million. I never heard the chip story.
"I've asked you three times for a link/article showing that his dad gave/loaned him $250million to get started. I'd also like a link/source where his dad bailed him out for 3 million. I never heard the chip story."
So now I have to be your google slave? I promise you there are tens if not hundreds of stories detailing this tale. Just put Trump bankruptcy or Trump's dad buying casino chips or anything remotely close to that. Here's a screen shot.
Penthouse may need more than a $million for the number of tapes that might suddenly appear.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-penthouse-magazine_us_5875c333e4b05b7a465c78de