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Ironman says

Hey Strat, the duck is going to have to split that billion.

Well, it was nice being a billionaire for a few minutes.

All the PC crap is going away as it should. Economy is improving. Crazy left wingers no longer parading everywhere demanding special treatment from us. America is going back to normalcy.

We are gonna be winning.

freespeechforever says

1) China is not NOW currency manipulator (as of today)

2) US Dollar is NOW too strong (as of today)

3) NATO is not NOW obsolete (as of today)

4) We need to remove Assad from power (and let ISIS have another territory)

First of all, there is a new plan agreed to, to balance the Trade Deficit. Do you remember any President in the past 20 years who ever did anything more than oratory about this problem?

To avert a trade war with the United States, China has reportedly agreed to provide concessions to the inbound products and services from the United States. After holding a two-day meeting, the administrations of the US President Donald Trump and the Chinese President Xi Jinping have agreed to a 100-day plan aimed at increasing US exports in China in order to reduce $374 billion trade deficits in goods with the Chinese.

Analysts are encouraged by the fact the US is choosing a path to improve trade balance rather than limiting imports from China to the United States. Both, the treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin, and the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross said that the Chinese officials have agreed on the need for a more balanced trade relationship. Mr. Ross said, “They expressed an interest in reducing their net trade balance because of the impact it’s having on money supply and inflation……..That's the first time I’ve heard them say that in a bilateral context.”

A breakthrough. Keeping the RMB artificially cheap is not effortless.
http://www.econotimes.com/China-and-US-agree-to-100-day-plan-for-fair-trade-634774

Again, you start with an extreme position, threaten unilateral action, scare the piss out of the other side, and eventually you end up somewhere in a middle position. He's said this 100 freakin' times in 2016. Maybe closer to 200.

He never said NATO was obsolete, but that it's focus was and specifically said NATO needed to focus on Terrorism. European Countries, led by wealthy Germany that is so flush with cash they're lavishing billions on Rapefugees, needs to meet the minimum 2% Spending requirement. Again, the tough talk led to fear, which led to willingness to make concessions.

He's also getting China to pressure the North Koreans
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/world/asia/trump-china-trade-north-korea.html

And successfully, too, with China refusing multiple NK coal ships from docking
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8

And yes, he's exacerbating a wedge between Assad and Putin. Putin has already said (before Trump was Inaugurated) he's not "married" to the current regime.
Again, this is more tough talk to get concessions: Russia abandons Assad but is allowed to continue influencing Syria, which goes through a slow, managed transition instead of a Saudi-Qatari violent insurgency or "Shock Treatment" via a Coup as in Ukraine or a rushed new Constitution with no debate as in Iraq.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

4) We need to remove Assad from power

Actually, I didn't. That quote is from freespeechforever.

FortWayne says

America is going back to normalcy.

Did anyone else find it funny that FortWayne describes Trump as president as "back to normalcy"? That perfectly sums up FortWayne.

Trump lost the popular vote but won the electoral college vote by getting a huge swath of the interior of the U.S., including many low-education whites who hadn't voted in years, to believe his bullshit about bringing 1960s-era America back.

His campaign promises were a literal snake-oil slathered, unicorns & rainbows, magical elixir sales pitch worthy of PT Barnum, to the ears of these people (like Ironman).

Hillary is a complete'scumbag of the highest order, and American Politics has devolved into a false choice and kabuki theater regardless of who is propped up by TPTB, but Trump will fail to deliver on on any of his nonsensical rhetoric (and certainly not draining the swamp, balancing the budget, building any wall, reforming the tax code, or making healthcare better - he'll make it much worse for the majority of Americans).

Trump is a corrupt motherfucker who really is a bankrupt businessman whose enterprises were bailed out by Russian and Chinese sovereign funds (via state owned lenders).

We're going to have an economic crisis at least as bad as 2008-2010, and probably worse, on Trump's watch.

Promises

Jobs

Russia

1 punitive strike in Syria didn't "fix" anything. Globalist cucks (like me) and the mainstream establishment like it because it returns American foreign policy toward "humanitarian interventionist" leanings.

Trump's most successful two days in office, amid an absolute shit storm of disgraceful embarrassment, are his very typical/boring speech to congress, and his "greatest hits from the 90s" style cruise missile strike on Syria.

We have nothing else, because this is an administration at the whim of the moment, with no overarching policy direction for the nation.

The smartest? The best? No. Quite the opposite Trump administration... believe me... believe me.

Trump isn't playing some 325th dimensional chess that mere-mortals cannot comprehend. He is only after brand and ego. He is rarely the smartest guy in the room, if ever, now.

Trump Flips On Five Core Campaign Promises In Under 24 Hours - 5 Major Issues - Unbelievable (Seriously)  

Trump Flips On Five Core Campaign Promises In Under 24 Hours

"Blink, and you missed Trump's blistering, seamless transformation into a mainstream politician.

In the span of just a few hours, President Trump flipped to new positions on several core policy issues, backing off on no less than five repeated campaign promises.

In a WSJ interview and a subsequent press conference, Trump either shifted or completely reversed positions on a number of foreign and economic policy decisions, including the fate of the US Dollar, how to handle China and the future of the chair of the Federal Reserve."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-12/trump-flips-five-core-key-campaign-promises-under-24-hours

#IfYouVotedForTrumpPutaQuarterInYoAss

I'm disappointed in Trump, but still feel that America got a better deal with him than the hell we would have got with Her▶️

freespeechforever says

a huge swath of the interior of the U.S., including many low-education whites who hadn't voted in years,

You mean as opposed to all of the Mensa Society members in the inner city Liberal Ghettos, that voted for Hillary.

Trump be steadily slaying you fools you just don't funking know!

Ironman says

Oh wait, you got two things right. The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch, but the reasons for it were set up the last 8 years under Obama.

But Trump will get the blame for it.... After all, IT'S BEEN TWO FUCKING MONTHS!!!!!!

The way they whine.....It must have been 2 terms.

Tim Aurora says

Why don't you just admit that Trump himself does not know what he wants to do.

Sure when you admit Trump probably would have done a better job by now, if there wasn't an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.
If you don't wonder what Trump would have done by now had he gotten to use his first picks and Micheal Moore and some pickles smugglers in the 9th District court weren't the real power in America per the Media. If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at the Media and Micheal Moore.
As for me I'm having a ball watching the Machiavellian Rhapsody from the balcony.

Tenpoundbass says

Sure when you admit Trump probably would have done a better job by now, if there wasn't an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.

Two Months -

1 With opposition from both fake wings of his own party - RINOs and the Koch "Freedom Caucus" Wing
2. Opposition from the opposition party
3. MSM that flat out called for "Not normalizing the Trump presidency" and has been chasing chimeras since he was elected.
4. Absolutely no Honeymoon Period - which is really "unprecedented" and dangerous for democracy. Any other president would still have until the summer, with mostly positive coverage.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

A broke huckster / reality TV goon has his only shot at DYNASTIC! WEALTH!

Thanks to retard voters.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

chimeras

I was thinking Chimineas as in burning the Constitution.

Ironman says

The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch,

Exactly! Republican are in charge. They wanted the job,so DO YOUR JOB!

Some still don't know that Obama is not President.

I like the pot bellied Iron Man.

Ironman says

The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch, but the reasons for it were set up the last 8 years under Obama.

But Trump will get the blame for it.... After all, IT'S BEEN TWO FUCKING MONTHS!!!!!!

Ironman surrenders. Trump cannot save shit. Obama may have laid the groundwork for what is to come, but it was precisely because he saved the economy from Bush's complete nightmare.

Further, I'd state Trump isn't even working on any of the real issues that hamper the economy right now.

How many of those simple down-home people are going to be pro Trump when the great unwinding happens? Very very few. Obama and Hillary are in the rear-view mirror now, despite however many times tRump and his talking heads want to pull them back in front.

This is Trump's shit show now. Own it Trumpets.

Tenpoundbass says

an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.

You see sedition. I see people desperately trying to save the institutions which make us America.

Government waste, or over stifling regulation isn't the blame here. You can begrudge bailing out the "too big to fail", but it is kind of like complaining we saved the whole plane, instead of just the seats. We need to build a new plane. Trump's working on that, right?

freespeechforever says

Trump Completely Reverses EVERY Campaign Pledge

On the bright side, some of it is just reality sinking in.
It's in fact reassuring that some that shit is reality based.

anonymous says

which one is the most accurate?

I think the latter because CIC could not afford the former.

Why does everybody try to bait Patrick into deleting threads? I can't recall him doing so.

Ironman says

Care to point out ANYWHERE or in any post where I said that Trump will save the day?? Go ahead.... I'll wait...

So you embrace Trump as a dark destroyer instead?

Ironman says

Right, and after 8 YEARS (instead of 2 MONTHS) where is the economy, besides bouncing along the bottom?

I think you are looking at the charts in the wrong way. This is a top. It may not be a top for wages or the middle/lower class bank accounts, but if you have ANY investments at all, you have experienced a 7 year run-up, in most cases.

This is insanely peak-ey feeling. (see first graphic below!)

Ironman says

At least you're consistent on which side to blame.... what a surprise!!!

A surprise that Bush lead us into a financial disaster, Obama hail-marry saved us with an uneven recovery (but provided a stable/if sluggish economy), and now Trump inherits weak positive growth but hastens a retreat by blunder and general ass-hattery ... yeah. That's the actual story.

http://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

Rew says

A surprise that Bush lead us into a financial disaster, Obama hail-marry saved us with an uneven recovery (but provided a stable/if sluggish economy), and now Trump inherits weak positive growth but hastens a retreat by blunder and general ass-hattery ... yeah. That's the actual story.

Not sure what you mean here with regards to Trump. I do know Trump has inspired tremendous confidence for businesses, both small and large. Something Obama was never able to do.

Ironman says

Now, we had a 3000 point rise in 4 MONTHS since Trump won in November, and that's with NO Printing (QE) because QE ended in the Fall of 2014. Plus, we had rate increases by the FED too. In spite of that, your 401K is looking a lot "sportier" since November, isn't it???

Yes, feel free to Blame that on TRUMP!!!

Damn Trump. Screwed all the bears that did not believe in him.

Some of you are clearly just jealous of Trump.

Booger says

Some of you are clearly just jealous of Trump.

There was a misprint. The press omitted the word "paying".

Ironman says

Yes, feel free to Blame that on TRUMP!

It's nothing that will last. Trump is riding Obama's run up still. There is no substance there. Trump isn't doing anything to address any of the major domestic issues we have, or the imbalance in the economy, which you and I agree is present.

You can continue to defend him as you like, but it seems you don't think he is a savior at all, so I'm not sure what it is you voted for? Looks like you like ineffective cardboard in the shape of a President to me.

I'll give Trump even odds he outdoes Nixon as far as being considered worst US president ever. Yep, and ONLY 4 months in, and it is that easy to see he is going to be a bigly contender for that spot.

Strategist says

Damn Trump. Screwed all the bears that did not believe in him.

Zero change in economic policy, except pushing for deregulation.

I await his amazing tax plan. The people are going to eat him alive.

Rew says

I'll give Trump even odds he outdoes Nixon as far as being considered worst US president ever.

As a president Nixon wasn't bad. He had some substantial accomplishments. As a paranoid control freak he was pretty bad. Sorry but GWB is going to be very hard to beat as worst president ever, even though the neocon chicken hawks still believe in the mission accomplished thing.

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".
Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

bob2356 says

Sorry but GWB is going to be very hard to beat as worst president ever

"DELETE IF YOU MUST"

drama much?

Rew says

or the imbalance in the economy, which you and I agree is present.

You havent been paying attention.

BlueSardine says

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".

Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

Destabilizing the entire mid east, invading a country on totally false information with thousands of american soldiers killed, and the second worst financial crises in the history of the republic is a pretty comprehensive accomplishment list by anyone's pet peeve standard. I voted for that moron in 2000. I left the republican party because of that moron.

Try Lyndon Johnson, the faked gulf of tomkin incident(s),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

and :

Deaths in Vietnam War (1965–1974) per Guenter Lewy
Allied military deaths 282,000
NVA/VC military deaths 444,000
Civilian deaths (North and South Vietnam) 627,000
Total deaths 1,353,000

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"...

bob2356 says

BlueSardine says

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".


Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

Destabilizing the entire mid east, invading a country on totally false information with thousands of american soldiers killed, and the second worst financial crises in the history of the republic is a pretty comprehensive accomplishment list by anyone's pet peeve standard. I voted for that moron in 2000. I left the republican party because of that moron.

BlueSardine says

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"..

i'm pretty sure too. Now want to talk about the great economic collapse of the 60's (there was none) and how Vietnam created violence and chaos around the world (it didn't). Johnson fucked up in Vietnam, Bush hit the fuckup trifecta. Smith and Wesson beats 4 aces.

http://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/commentary/coals-colossal-comeback

Liberals have been saying that Donald Trump was lying to the American people when he said that he could bring coal jobs back. Well, so far, he has delivered on his promise.

Since the low point in October 2016, and following years of painful layoffs in the mining industry, the mining sector has added 35,000 jobs.

There's more good news for the coal industry. Earlier this month, Peabody Energy — America's largest coal producer — moved out of bankruptcy, and its stock is actively trading again. Its market cap had sunk by almost 90% during Barack Obama's years in office. Arch Coal is also out of bankruptcy.

You have to love heritage.org. They are the best liars on the planet. Note the phrase "mining jobs" not coal mining jobs. That's because the "mining jobs" are actually fracking jobs. Only heritage would try to claim fracking jobs are coal mining. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/7/15216938/trump-manufacturing-coal-mining-jobs

Booger says

Since the low point in October 2016, and following years of painful layoffs in the mining industry, the mining sector has added 35,000 jobs.

Got to love heritage.org. They are the best liars on the planet, bar none. Note the phrase is mining jobs, not coal mining jobs. That's because there hasn't been any coal mining jobs. The "mining jobs" are actually fracking jobs. Only heritage could seriously claim fracking is coal mining. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/7/15216938/trump-manufacturing-coal-mining-jobs

freespeechforever says

(Patrick, king of free speech forum, delete if you must)

His childish attempt at reverse pschology.

Nope.
Fail.
Dead people beats world chaos and economic collapse every time.
Put a factual number on how many deaths world chaos and economic collapse caused during the bush years.
Then you can join the party...

bob2356 says

BlueSardine says

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"..

i'm pretty sure too. Now want to talk about the great economic collapse of the 60's (there was none) and how Vietnam created violence and chaos around the world (it didn't). Johnson fucked up in Vietnam, Bush hit the fuckup trifecta. Smith and Wesson beats 4 aces.