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It's surprising that self identified liberals who act as if they are pro rights, pass laws and promote things that judge people by their skin color. It's crazy when you think about it.

MLK said a great thing. Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas. That is racism. And left does not see it that way, they just snob their noses at all of us and call us racist instead because we don't roll over for them.

Dan8267 says

The image does not imply that some concern over anti-white racism is valid

Every first word problems meme I've ever seen was about some real problem. IT's true that usually it's a silly small problem. I don't think that racism against whites is silly or small, but I do think that if it's a major issue for a white person, then they have blown it out of proportion, and it's often a sign of something else. But I could be wrong. We're all different people and focus on different things at different times. Maybe one day when we are the collective (Borg reference) it will be different.

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

You posted an image that trivialized victims of racism if they happen to be white. That was bad. Just stop doubling down on stupid and racist. You did a bad, not a huge bad, just a minor bad, but it was still a bad. Just admit it and promise not to do it again. I really don't see why apologizing and showing that you can admit your mistake and fix it takes more emotional maturity than you can muster. It's not that hard. You could have used this opportunity to demonstrate that you are a real man who can learn from his mistakes and move one. Instead you have made yourself look much worse by trying to cover up your mistake.

This is why America today sucks. People can never admit they are wrong. As if making a mistake is so fucking unacceptable that you can never recover from it. Quite frankly, that is a stupid and immature world view. I freely admit that I make mistakes. The difference is that when I realize I have made a mistake, I correct it and move on. This should not be a big deal.

Bigotry is never a trivial issue to the individual on the receiving end of it. That should not be a controversial statement.

marcus says

I don't think that racism against whites is silly or small, but I do think that if it's a major issue for a white person, then they have blown it out of proportion, and it's often a sign of something else.

Then say that. Your image does not say that. No reasonable person would have interpreted that caption as saying that some, but not all, anti-white racism is blow out of proportion.

In fact making such a statement would best be served with specific well-known examples that you can illustrate indicates a wider trend.

FortWayne says

Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas.

Well there were buses, drinking fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, military, professional sports, etc. Yes the government forced the issue. I guess most of those preceded MLK. Later were quotas and affirmative action, which I agree can be taken too far. Are you really going to argue that the net result of all that government sticking their snobby noses in our business was bad ?

FortWayne says

It's surprising that self identified liberals who act as if they are pro rights, pass laws and promote things that judge people by their skin color. It's crazy when you think about it.

Just because someone self-identifies as a liberal does not make one a liberal. Does self-identifying as a black woman make one a black woman, Fort Wayne?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55805aa3/turbine/ct-rachel-dolezal-african-american-perspec-0617-20150616

Didn't you complain that Elizabeth Warren checked Native American in an Affirmative Action checkbox?

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.
1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

How about you give us even one example where a liberal passed a law that promote things that judge people by their skin color? Affirmative Action was passed by the conservative left, and they don't believe in the above three principles any more than you do. I am a liberal and I oppose Affirmative Action precisely because it is racist. How do you reconcile me with your distorted view of liberals?

Dan8267 says

No reasonable person would have interpreted that caption as saying that some, but not all, anti-white racism is blow out of proportion.

Wtf ? IT was in response to this thread and Patricks post. I made it just for that.

Ironman says

But I'm not going to do it, as I'm not a sensitive special snowflake, catch my drift???

Yeah, whatever. That should be up to Dan.He knows I wasn't even calling him a pussy, except with regard to what he didn't say in that one comment.

Dan8267 says

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

IT was more than a little predictable that you wouldn't answer that. Actually I expected some convoluted nonsense rather than just running.

Dan8267 says

It's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

Dan8267 says

You did a bad, not a huge bad, just a minor bad, but it was still a bad. Just admit it and promise not to do it again. I really don't see why apologizing and showing that you can admit your mistake and fix it takes more emotional maturity than you can muster. It's not that hard. You could have used this opportunity to demonstrate that you are a real man who can learn from his mistakes and move one. Instead you have made yourself look much worse by trying to cover up your mistake.

This is why America today sucks. People can never admit they are wrong. As if making a mistake is so fucking unacceptable that you can never recover from it. Quite frankly, that is a stupid and immature world view. I freely admit that I make mistakes. The difference is that when I realize I have made a mistake, I correct it and move on. This should not be a big deal.

It's 10:00pm in Floriada. I guess Dan is drunk.

Dan8267 says

People can never admit they are wrong.

Interesting observation Dan.

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?
Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

Ironman says

"Floriada"??

Yes, you caught a typo. Did you read this stupid argument ? My guess is was hard for you, having to agree with Dan, as I'm quite sure you do.

marcus says

Dan8267 says

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

IT was more than a little predictable that you wouldn't answer that. Actually I expected some convoluted nonsense rather than just running.

I didn't answer your straw man argument masked as a question because it didn't warrant an answer. However, if you want to bring more attention to your mistakes despite the fact that I've been giving you lots of chances to save face, then, well...

I never stated anything that could remotely be interpreted as only SJW would see your meme attempt as racist. You are just making that up. Any rational person would read the caption "Some minority individuals judge me because I'm white" under the image of a crying woman as trivializing racism against specifically and solely whites and, by definition, that is racist. Don't double down on your mistake again. Just walk away with what dignity you have left. You are pouring salt into your wound.

marcus says

It's 10:00pm in Floriada. I guess Dan is drunk.

This is deflection.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?

Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

The sad thing is that I can't actually tell if you are joking given most of your other posts. On the off chance that you aren't or someone takes you seriously...

Obviously no one is saying you have to follow a certain set of principles. However, if you believe in god, you are not an atheist by definition. If you do believe in god, you are a theist by definition. If you believe in the principles of liberalism, then you are a liberal by definition. If you reject the principles of liberalism, then you are by definition not a liberal.

Accurate communication matters.

marcus says

Ironman says

"Floriada"??

Yes, you caught a typo. Did you read this stupid argument ? My guess is was hard for you, having to agree with Dan, as I'm quite sure you do.

First, CIC obsesses over typos. It's one of the few times he can call an opponent on a mistake, even though it's a trivial and irrelevant one.

Second, yes, it gets hard whenever CIC points out such a mistake. Who are we to deny him the one pleasure he can get in life?

Third, it's spelled Floriduh, and the people who live there are Floridiots. Still, it's better than being from Tampa. You know what they are called?

Dan8267 says

I never stated anything that could remotely be interpreted as only SJW would see your meme attempt as racist.

Good example of how much listen or care to make any small attempt to consider my point of view.

Try again ? I'm referring back to the third comment of the thread (yours).

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Dan8267 says

t's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

IS he not singling out one side, and saying something that every fucking white racist would strongly agree with ?

When white racists are accused of racism, there is always one singular response they have. "No, no, no, I mean it is true that black murder rates are higher than non black, and I do believe races really are different, that it's more than simply environment...

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More here marcus says

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?


Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

The sad thing is that I can't actually tell if you are joking given most of your other posts. On the off chance that you aren't or someone takes you seriously...

Obviously no one is saying you have to follow a certain set of principles. However, if you believe in god, you are not an atheist by definition. If you do believe in god, you are a theist by definition. If you believe in the principles of liberalism, then you are a liberal by definition. If you reject the...

OMG. I realized I was a damn atheist by the time I was 13. I remember praying for a baby bird at age 10 that me and my little sister tried to save, but ended up killing.
I am a fucking atheist, I lean liberal, and that's all i will ever be.

marcus says

Try again ? I'm referring back to the third comment of the thread (yours).

It's amazing how poor your writing skills are for someone who claims to be a teacher. It's not clear at all what point you are trying to make or what question you are trying to ask. You were talking about your meme attempt and now you're switching to Patrick's caption? How was anyone suppose to make that connection especially without context or the quote you were referring to?

As for my comment at index 3, I was offering Patrick sincere advice that SJWs would deliberately misinterpret his statement just to make a straw man attack. This is quite typical of SJWs as shown in numerous videos such as Hugh Mungus.

Strategist says

I lean liberal, and that's all i will ever be.

If you lean liberal then I'm a black female, fundamental Christian who believes in trickle down economics. You are heavily into authoritarianism.

marcus says

IS he not singling out one side, and saying something that every fucking white racist would strongly agree with ?

When white racists are accused of racism, there is always one singular response they have. "No, no, no, I mean it is true that black murder rates are higher than non black, and I do believe races really are different, that it's more than simply environment over a few generations, and I do sort of buy in to the whole bell curve thesis, but it's the SJWs fighting against racism that are the real racists."

(the singular response I was referring to was the second bold fragment)

The SJWs are not fighting against racism, they are fighting for discrimination based on race.

The evidence for this is overwhelming; such as the demands for racial-based dormitories and labeling the refusal to use people's preferred pronouns as a hate crime or harassment or both, subject to disciplinary action.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

there are far more Whites on Welfare or living paycheck to paycheck, than all Blacks combined.

This is undoubtedly true.

FortWayne says

MLK said a great thing. Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas. That is racism. And left does not see it that way, they just snob their noses at all of us and call us racist instead because we don't roll over for them.

Also true.

marcus says

FortWayne says

Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas.

Well there were buses, drinking fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, military, professional sports, etc. Yes the government forced the issue. I guess most of those preceded MLK. Later were quotas and affirmative action, which I agree can be taken too far. Are you really going to argue that the net result of all that government sticking their snobby noses in our business was bad ?

Yes it was bad, because instead of human values of gods love, they perpetuated racial based quotas. Now you have generations of minorities, as they call themselves, who are welfare junkies living with deep hatred for whites. If they get their chance they'll screw everyone over, they just don't have the political capital to do it.

Dan8267 says

Bigotry is never a trivial issue to the individual on the receiving end of it. That should not be a controversial statement.

And yet for all his professed commitment to diversity and equality, Marcus can't agree that bigotry is wrong in all situations.

Ironman says

Maybe that's because Blacks are only like 13% of the population?

It's also because of Planned Parenthood.

FortWayne says

Now you have generations of minorities, as they call themselves, who are welfare junkies living with deep hatred for whites.

Yes, unfortunately you're not smart enough to realize that this very problem was created by you and your ancestors. Slavery, segregation, systemic impoverishment and oppression of blacks created this very culture. Once more the conservative right bitches about the very problems it created. It's funny how problems 400 years in the making can't be solved in a few years.

How about we stop making more problems like this? Right now we're creating another problem that will be just as costly to deal with. It would be far cheaper to simply not create or worsen that problem. The problem? Climate change. Fort Wayne's grandchildren will be bitching and moaning to the world about how bad climate change is and how it's all the liberal's fault for not doing anything about it fifty years ago when they had the chance.

It's amazing how short-sighted conservatives are and how much they are incapable of learning from their mistakes.

My dream is that Republicans & Democrats are sane.
Delusions are working well for me.

Dan8267 says

Slavery, segregation, systemic impoverishment and oppression of blacks created this very culture.

Then why didn't the same social pathology exist in the most racist era outside the 19th century, 1900-1960, when the majority of black families lived in lesser circumstances but in intact families? How often does this scene from Jim Crow 1956 repeat itself in the black community today?

http://www.shorpy.com/node/13115?size=_original#caption

One thing we can do to prevent future problems is stop Islamic Immigration except in exceptional circumstances, like they're free speech Democracy activists.

In fact, stopping all immigration is far more effective in halting the increase in CO2 emissions than recycling renewables like cardboard and paper.

Dan8267 says

this very problem was created by you and your ancestors.

Absolutely not.

I did nothing whatsoever to create any black racism against whites, nor did any of my ancestors.

To say so is to exemplify irrational racism against all white people.

P N Dr Lo R says

Dan8267 says

Slavery, segregation, systemic impoverishment and oppression of blacks created this very culture.

Then why didn't the same social pathology exist in the most racist era outside the 19th century

Time makes problems worse, obviously.

The fact remains that the conservative right created this problem, and until they stop fueling the flames, we won't be able to fix it.

Let's get to the core of the issue. Conservatives, given everything that has happened in the past 200 years of American history, was slavery really worth it? Are you and your family better off today because of the slave trade and the subsequent oppression?

Evil is not profitable in the long term.

rando says

Dan8267 says

this very problem was created by you and your ancestors.

Absolutely not.

I did nothing whatsoever to create any black racism against whites, nor did any of my ancestors.

That is not at all what I'm saying. Like you I don't have ancestors who were American slavers. I was talking about Fort Wayne. You can tell from his attitude that he is descended from slavers. Their descendants are the only ones who whitewash American history.

Now, I'd be all for forgiving the American South once it repents from its ways. The sins of the father are only passed on to the son if the son reenacts those sins in one form or another or condones them. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the American South continues to do to this day. It's not white Americans that are wrong. It's a very specific minority of white Americans that give the rest of us a bad reputation we don't deserve.

As for whites who had nothing to do with slavery, those who didn't benefit from it, those whose ancestors didn't participate in or support it, and even those descendants of slavers who don't condone their ancestor's behavior and don't continue to oppress minorities (for example, with thinly veiled voter suppression laws like voter ID), those white people have no reason to feel guilt. I've said that many times.

Dan8267 says

You can tell from his attitude that he is descended from slavers.

Nominated for "scientist" of the day! Did you even examine his cranium for irregular lumps before making this diagnosis, Dr. Dan?

Quigley says

Nominated for "scientist" of the day! Did you even examine his cranium for irregular lumps before making this diagnosis, Dr. Dan?

Unlike you, I have common sense. People aren't that hard to figure out.

Dan8267 says

Time makes problems worse, obviously.

Time, aided and abetted by the counterculture and sexual revolution are the sources of black family disintegration over the past 50 years. A 20 year old black man in 1957 was punching a time clock alongside his white counterpart and had a child by a woman he was married to--in 1974 a 20 year old black man was selling and using drugs in the 'hood and had at least one child by a woman he'd abandoned.

Dan8267 says

(for example, with thinly veiled voter suppression laws like voter ID),

They have voter ID in India and about 88.2% of the population (or higher) have it. Also, the rate of participation in elections is much higher than it is here in the US

Dan8267 says

very problem was created by you and your ancestors

How did people living in Poland and Hungary create this problem?

marcus says

Quigley says

And yet for all his professed commitment to diversity and equality, Marcus can't agree that bigotry is wrong in all situations.

My point was only that I can't relate to special snowflakes that get butt hurt over generalizations about "white privilege" or other similar prejudice towards white folks by minorities.

There's a huge difference between supporting it and not being bothered by it. In this case I'm referring only to not being bothered by prejudice against myself or generalizations about white privilege etc(my group).

Compare that to people that feel the same way - that there's a big difference between supporting it and not being bothered by it - as it pertains to Trump's populous racist (towards minorities) rhetoric ? This attitude applies to many around here, who defend Trump at every chance they get.