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Goran bought an AK-47


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2017 Apr 25, 10:16am   25,556 views  131 comments

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Let's just say I've always been Pro 2A, it's part of my libertarian leanings. I think people should be able to smoke pot, buy guns, and marry whatever gender they want.

As some of you may know, I've moved to a much more rural area in Nevada (though I still do split time in California for my consulting business) and a handgun seemed inadequate for this type of community. To me the AK47 is simple, easy to clean, easy to disassemble and maintain. It's also pretty accurate for my purposes (being able to hit targets at 100 yards across open plains). Ammo is pretty cheap in Nevada, and ordering online is even cheaper. I bought 2,000 rounds, so that should be enough for me for target shooting, or self defense purposes.

Anyone else here into guns or own firearms?

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86   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 3:08pm  

Dan8267 says

We make driving sober legal and driving drunk illegal. Do I really have to explain to your peanut brain why? Please say yes and I will. Or you can demonstrate some level of intelligence by explaining why yourself and thus why you are wrong.

Cool. So we make lawful self defense legal, and gun murder illegal. Everything's good now.

87   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:12pm  

Goran_K says

It's funny that the only way you can keep your point salient is by mentioning "bearable nuclear weapons".

Showing the logical conclusion of a statement, including all edge cases, demonstrates whether or not the statement is true. If a statement results in inescapable and ridiculous consequences, then the statement is ridiculous no matter how sensible it appears at first glance.

For example, the statement "babies who die go to heaven" may seem reasonable at first glance. However, the consequence of the statement is that allowing babies to live risks their eternal torment in hell and the best thing you can do for babies is to immediate kill them and send them to heaven. Thus, either murdering babies is a good thing or the premise "babies who die go to heaven" is wrong. It is completely valid to point out that the consequences of a premise are rejected by those making the premise. If you don't accept the consequences of your premise, then you are rejecting your premise. So why should I accept it?

88   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:13pm  

Goran_K says

I'm an ideologue because I'm asking you to explain your ideas?

No. You are an ideologue because you ignore and discard any evidence that contradicts your dogma while cherry picking and distorting evidence to support that dogma.

89   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:16pm  

BlueSardine says

So does smoking dope and driving...

add that shit into the equation.

The premise, right or wrong, that being high on pot affects driving is the reason it is illegal to drive under the influence of pot. Regardless of the truth of the premise, the logical form confirms my point. You do not have the right to avoidable and significant force risk unto other people against their will.

90   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:22pm  

Goran_K says

Nuclear weapons are indiscriminate, they are not "bearable arms", and are not weapons of "self defense"

1. The Second Amendment says nothing about "self-defense".
2. All offensive weapons are defensive weapons. Nuclear arms especially so. It's called MAD, mutually assured destruction, and it's been the basis of preventing WWIII for the past 70 years.
3. Nuclear weapons are most certainly bearable. One can detonate a nuke in a suitcase, a so-called snuke.
4. There is nothing that draws a special line separating guns from all other types of arms including nuclear weapons. Arms fill a continuous and gradient space of weaponry. Guns are in no way inherently distinguishable from all other kinds of weapons and thus do not deserve any special kind of treatment. This is exactly why the Second Amendment says "arms" and not "guns". Any Second Amendment protection would apply to all arms including nuclear bombs as much as it applies to guns. This is why the Second Amendment is a bullshit deprecated amendment. It just hasn't been officially revoked due to politics. In practice, it was revoked a century or more ago.

91   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 3:23pm  

Suitcase nuclear weapons?

Oh boy.

92   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:45pm  

Goran_K says

I believe Americans should have weaponry necessary to the preservation of a free state. I do not think Nuclear weapons, Biological weapons fall under this statement.

Then you are a delusional fool. If the American public had to rebel against the federal government to restore freedom, they would need weapons that could level Cheyenne mountain. That's at least a MOAB if not a nuke.

The American citizens would need tanks, land mines, rocket-powered grenades, supersonic aircraft, and aircraft carriers to fight the federal government, which has all of these things in abundance.

Only the biggest fool in the world thinks that unfunded civilians with guns can take on a trillion dollar a year war machine. It would be a masquerader if you even tried to take on a state government with the pitiful guns you have. Don't believe me, try it. You'll find out how quick suicide by cop is.

The idea that men with pistols and AK-47s could overthrow a corrupt federal government is a ridiculous fantasy. Those weapons don't work on the Apache helicopters that kill your family from miles away using
- 30 mm articulated cannons
- 1,200 high-explosive rounds fire in less than 2 minutes
- 70 mm rockets that can be guided or unguided
- Hellfire missiles that can identify, track, and hunt targets that are miles away, even in the dead of night

Yeah, you really stand a fucking chance. An eight-year-old gamer could take out your entire resistance in five minutes with one of these.

93   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:48pm  

Goran_K says

Dan8267 says

Some of us respect the Constitution and the principles of our country including the 14th Amendment.

But not the 2nd?

Like I said, the Second Amendment is defunct. If it weren't, you could have land mines, Hellfire missles, ICBMs, and nukes.

So yes, I have no respect for the Second Amendment. It would be a death sentence to the entire human race if applied today, and you clearly realize that. The founding fathers weren't so fucking stupid that they would think of applying it to our time. No one is that stupid.

I respect the entire rest of the Constitution, which still applies, or at least should, today.

94   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 3:48pm  

Dan8267 says

Then you are a delusional fool. If the American public had to rebel against the federal government to restore freedom, they would need weapons that could level Cheyenne mountain. That's at least a MOAB if not a nuke.

The American citizens would need tanks, land mines, rocket-powered grenades, supersonic aircraft, and aircraft carriers to fight the federal government, which has all of these things in abundance.

Only the biggest fool in the world thinks that unfunded civilians with guns can take on a trillion dollar a year war machine. It would be a masquerader if you even tried to take on a state government with the pitiful guns you have. Don't believe me, try it. You'll find out how quick suicide by cop is.

The idea that men with pistols and AK-47s could overthrow a corrupt federal government is a ridiculous fantasy. Those weapons don't work on the Apache helicopters that kill your family from miles away using

- 30 mm articulated cannons

- 1,200 h...

Just like the might of that $1 trillion dollar machine was able to do so to Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al Nusra, which eventually lead to the downfall of Islamic Extremism all over the world.

95   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 3:49pm  

Goran_K says

No, once they deploy Apaches, you use your AR15 to go attack an arms depot, and you get some stingers.

That has to be the stupidest thing you have said so far. By then, it's too late. A government that is cracking down on its civilian population isn't going to let that population obtain arms that would threaten it. If the damn local gun store doesn't carry stingers now, then it isn't going to get them when the tanks start rolling.

96   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 3:56pm  

Dan8267 says

That has to be the stupidest thing you have said so far. By then, it's too late. A government that is cracking down on its civilian population isn't going to let that population obtain arms that would threaten it. If the damn local gun store doesn't carry stingers now, then it isn't going to get them when the tanks start rolling.

So ISIS, Al Qaeda, running around with all those tricked out M4s, shoulder mounted anti-armor missiles, M1 Abrams tanks, and artillery created that themselves? I thought they captured them...

97   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 4:00pm  

Goran_K says

5,000 armed citizens could absolutely take a weapons depot.

Any tyrannical state would simply simply kill all 5,000 armed citizens and destroy the depot using a missile or the MOAB. This would be trivial for our federal government to do. This is what would happen to your armed rebellion.

www.youtube.com/embed/j0BG_GBOFTw

Our government has no problem using such weapons for "their psychological effect" or what is commonly referred to as terrorism, the infliction of terror into a population to coerce submission. They use such weapons precisely to convince the opposition that there is no hope for victory. They would gladly use it to kill your rebel scum just to turn those rebels into an example for the rest of the population.

98   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 4:02pm  

Dan8267 says

Our government has no problem using such weapons for "their psychological effect" or what is commonly referred to as terrorism, the infliction of terror into a population to coerce submission. They use such weapons precisely to convince the opposition that there is no hope for victory. They would gladly use it to kill your rebel scum just to turn those rebels into an example for the rest of the population.

Historically, Operation Linebacker only emboldened Vietnamese resistance.

99   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 4:04pm  

Goran_K says

I would engage in guerrilla warfare and target convoys.

You would die in the first week when some navy seal sniper shoots your head off. No matter how tyrannical the government was, you'd be made out to be a terrorist and the guy who murdered you would be made out to be a hero. Strategist would be singing that guy's praises. That's reality.

100   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 4:05pm  

Dan8267 says

You would die in the first week when some navy seal sniper shoots your head off. No matter how tyrannical the government was, you'd be made out to be a terrorist and the guy who murdered you would be made out to be a hero. Strategist would be singing that guy's praises. That's reality.

I wouldn't be around when the IED went off. How would he shoot my head off?

101   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 4:12pm  

Goran_K says

Just like the might of that $1 trillion dollar machine was able to do so to Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al Nusra, which eventually lead to the downfall of Islamic Extremism all over the world.

New York City and Afghanistan are very different places. And the federal government, like all power structures, will do far more to defend itself from an existential threat like domestic rebellion than some minor threat like ISIS, and yes, ISIS is a minor threat compared to an American rebellion.

In any case, ISIS isn't ever going to take down the U.S. government. The very idea is ridiculous. You are claiming the ability to take down that very government with some guns and stingers, which you can't have under your own rules. You conceded that you would not let Americans buy stingers today.

102   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 4:15pm  

Dan8267 says

New York City and Afghanistan are very different places. And the federal government, like all power structures, will do far more to defend itself from an existential threat like domestic rebellion than some minor threat like ISIS, and yes, ISIS is a minor threat compared to an American rebellion.

In any case, ISIS isn't ever going to take down the U.S. government. The very idea is ridiculous. You are claiming the ability to take down that very government with some guns and stingers, which you can't have under your own rules. You conceded that you would not let Americans buy stingers today.

All of that hardware could be taken. If ISIS was able to steal M1 Abrams tanks, then Stingers would certainly be possible.

Also, the majority of the military is not only right wing conservative but also believers in the 2nd Amendment. 60% + of the military would side with the rebels against a Democrat leftist despot confiscating arms.

103   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 4:27pm  

Goran_K says

Also, the majority of the military is not only right wing conservative but also believers in the 2nd Amendment.

Whether or not they believe in the Second Amendment is irrelevant. They will still kill you and your entire family when given the order, and they would do so with a smile on their face. If you think the military is going to side with the rebels when they are attacked by those rebels while defending a weapons depot, you are batshit crazy. You are a terrorist to them regardless of how right you are. You are a criminal to the police force as well. The government would enforce law and order and curfews, and arrest you as a criminal or kill you as a terrorist without a second thought. And there is nothing you could do about it. You are fantasizing.

104   Goran_K   2017 Apr 26, 4:34pm  

Dan8267 says

Whether or not they believe in the Second Amendment is irrelevant. They will still kill you and your entire family when given the order, and they would do so with a smile on their face. If you think the military is going to side with the rebels when they are attacked by those rebels while defending a weapons depot, you are batshit crazy. You are a terrorist to them regardless of how right you are. You are a criminal to the police force as well. The government would enforce law and order and curfews, and arrest you as a criminal or kill you as a terrorist without a second thought. And there is nothing you could do about it. You are fantasizing.

Yes they would shoot ME dead, but would they shoot their brother, or father, best friend? This is the type of dilemma many faced during the 1st Civil War as families chose sides on either the Union or Confederate side.

105   Dan8267   2017 Apr 26, 4:44pm  

Goran_K says

Yes they would shoot ME dead, but would they shoot their brother, or father, best friend?

They won't have to. You'll be oppressed, the keys to power won't be.

106   FortWayne   2017 Apr 27, 8:29am  

Liberals support repeal of second amendment, go live in North Korea and see how that kind of society works out.

107   zzyzzx   2017 Apr 27, 8:44am  

I would think that here in Baltimore, an AK-47 wouldn't be enough. I'd need a M-134

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/26/politics/baltimore-crime-fbi-help/index.html

Baltimore asks FBI for help: 'Murder is out of control'

Then the stupid mayor blames guns.

108   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 8:56am  

Goran_K says

You've presented many "opinions", including stories about suitcase nuclear weapons.

How the fuck is the possibility of a suitcase size nuclear weapon an "opinion"? It is a reality. Just because that reality makes your proposition ridiculously dangerous does not mean it's not a reality.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a suitcase size nuclear weapon is impossible to make today? The Pentagon strongly disagrees with you. It's been a threat on their radar for decades.

Goran_K says

But you still haven't explained why the 20th century is replete with governments that have gone usurpatious and began their despotic reigns with arms confiscations.

Some X did Y therefore everyone who does X will do Y. This is your fallacy. Expressed mathematically it's

I should not have to explain to anyone why this predicate is wrong, but evidently I have to.

There are tyrants who wear mustaches. Therefore, all people with mustaches are tyrants. This is mathematically equivalent to what you are saying. It's obviously wrong.

I could apply your false theorem to a great many things. All tyrannical regimes tax their populations to support themselves. The U.S. government taxes its population to support itself. Therefore, the United States government is a tyrannical regime. So why aren't you fighting to overthrow it right now?

Criminals use guns to commit violent crimes like rape, murder, and robbery. Therefore all persons possessing guns are criminals who rape, murder, and rope. Therefore all guns should be banned. See, it works against your political agenda just as well as it supports your political agenda. That's the thing about false theorems; they can easily be used to both prove and disprove the same statement precisely because they are false.

And again, you are avoiding a core issue. There is nothing special about guns. Nothing. Every government, tyrannical or not, is also going to prevent its citizens from having land mines, tanks, RPGs, stinger missiles, nukes, and biological weapons. Does any government preventing citizens from having these weapons make that government tyrannical? Then why the fuck guns? What's so god damn special about guns that makes it different from any other weapon that has ever or will ever be created? Nothing. Any dogmatic statement that you make about guns, you'd better be able to defend applying to all other weapons including nukes.

109   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 9:06am  

FortWayne says

Liberals support repeal of second amendment, go live in North Korea and see how that kind of society works out.

False equivalency. North Korea is a tyrannical state because the government is not answerable to the people by law. The policies that made North Korea or any other tyrannical state oppressive are exactly the kind of policies implemented by the USA Patriotic Act and the NDAA. Every executive power signed into law is a step towards greater tyranny. Every liberal policy distributing power to the common man, creating transparency, and limiting the use and power of police forces and the military is a step away from tyranny. North Korea is what America would become if Republican polices were left unchecked and unchallenged.

110   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 9:13am  

Dan8267 says

That would happen in America as well.

I have walked around town with a sheathed 22 inch fiskars clearing machete on my belt and have never been shot, or looked at with a discerning eye. Maybe in your City Metro area where everyone cries and screams when they see a picture of a long blade or gun. Not everywhere is like where you live though, surprising as that may sound.

111   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 9:16am  

I don't want to talk about another tangent. I want to know why you think an unarmed populace is a good check against Tyranny.

That's like saying having a "Gun Free Zone" sign is a deterrent to a potential mass shooter.

112   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 10:21am  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Ghandi was irrelevant after 1942. He was also a major bigot against blacks and Jews and Sikhs. The latter in particular is never contextualized in popular histories of Ghandi, why he embraced Muslims but hated Sikhism.

Exactly. Without the INA and other nationalist leaders, Ghandi is a foot note in history. Leftist love Ghandi because of the ideas he represented, but the reality on the ground was that Ghandi's actual contributions towards the independence movement were very small, if not completely inconsequential.

113   RWSGFY   2017 Apr 27, 11:13am  

Goran_K says

Yanukovych himself publicly said he left Kiev because he feared for the safety of himself and his family, and that his car had been hit by automatic weapons fire as he left the city. So he left under the threat of force which sinks your point. Remember, not my words, those are Yanukovych's own words to the BBC after he fled Kiev.

This is most probably a lie. He left because the police withdrew. And police withdrew after being shot at from Conservatory building. Once the fight stopped being so one-sided they suddenly decided it's not really worth it.

114   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 11:16am  

Straw Man says

This is most probably a lie. He left because the police withdrew. And police withdrew after being shot at from Conservatory building. Once fight stopped being so one-sided they suddenly decided it's not really worth it.

Could be. I'm no fan of Yanukovych, and I have no doubt he "colored" the details of him having to retreat from Kiev. But calling Ukraine 2014 a revolution without a single shot fired seems like a big stretch (if not outright lie).

115   RWSGFY   2017 Apr 27, 11:27am  

Goran_K says

Straw Man says

This is most probably a lie. He left because the police withdrew. And police withdrew after being shot at from Conservatory building. Once fight stopped being so one-sided they suddenly decided it's not really worth it.

Could be. I'm no fan of Yanukovych, and I have no doubt he "colored" the details of him having to retreat from Kiev. But calling Ukraine 2014 a revolution without a single shot fired seems like a big stretch (if not outright lie).

Shots were most definitely fired. There were no policemen killed by any means until Feb18. And then in 2 days at least 17 were killed by gunfire. On Feb 22 regime was no more.

116   Robert Sproul   2017 Apr 27, 1:05pm  

There are THOUSANDS of laws in this country restricting gun ownership. California has the most restrictive laws in the nation. What the hell, exactly, do the Anti-gunners want?
Bearing in mind that the Assault Weapons Ban of ’94 was found to not effect the crime rate whatsoever, which new prohibitive law is supposed to get Black-inner-city-young-men to quit shooting each other?

117   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 1:08pm  

Goran_K says

That's why I don't vote democrat.

You are a fool if you think Republicans are more likely to prevent tyranny. Republicans are the greatest advocates of torturing and murdering people in the name of "national security" and revoking the right of habeas corpus. They threaten your freedom far more than Democrats.

118   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 1:19pm  

Goran_K says

You don't think 10,000,000 armed Americans could successfully over throw the government?

10,000,000 armed Americans could not even overthrow a state, nonetheless the federal government. Ten million men does not even equal a single aircraft carrier. You might as well have one billion cavemen vs the U.S. military. It would be a masquerader. Numbers mean nothing compare to technology.

And just think about the logistics of 10 million rebels collaborating over battle plans in a way that doesn't make them a centralized target. You can either have all independent cells with little collaboration, or a well-organize strike-force with a central command that can be attacked directly. The first is not an effective mechanism for overthrowing centralized power. At best, it can engage in terrorism for decades being a sore spot, and likely uniting the people under the government no matter how tyrannical it is. The latter is exactly the kind of opposition our military is best at destroying as it only has to cut off the head.

119   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 1:26pm  

Goran_K says

Democrat slave owners got their asses kicked by Republicans. That's how it worked out.

And then those Democrat slave owners, also called Dixiecrats, became Republicans with Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy and later the Tea Party and finally the Freedom Caucus, while the Republicans of that day became the Democrats of today.

However, it's nice of you to admit that the American South and the conservative right are the bad guys. They certainly are regardless of which party they control.

It's also nice to see you acknowledge, even though you aren't smart enough to realize you did, that liberals are the good guys. We liberals were all in the Republican Party back in the 19th century. After the Southern Strategy allowed the conservative right to take over the Republican Party, all liberals were ejected from that party and went Democrat for lack of alternative in a two party system. We liberals often say, "We didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left us.".

Here's a picture of a liberal Republican from before the Southern Strategy that would not be welcomed in today's Republican Party and absolutely would be a Democrat today.

120   Robert Sproul   2017 Apr 27, 1:39pm  

Dan8267 says

Numbers mean nothing compare to technology.

Except the US military has not successfully put down an insurrection since the Philippines.
When they were riding freaking horses

121   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 1:51pm  

Dan8267 says

nd then those Democrat slave owners, also called Dixiecrats, became Republicans with Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy and later the Tea Party and finally the Freedom Caucus, while the Republicans of that day became the Democrats of today.

That's a myth, one made up by leftist to mask the Democrat parties history of racism (fought for slavery, founded KKK, opposed black voting rights).

If Nixon really had a "southern strategy", then how come the Deep South went to the Democratic segregationist Wallace?

“Segregation Now, Segregation Forever”

Nixon was also the first president to implement affirmative action (he forced unions to accept black applicants, the unions were overwhelmingly white at this time, and threatened them to admit blacks or lose federal contracts). Nixon was Pro-black.

The Southern Strategy claims Republicans made 'racist appeals' to get racist in the South to vote for him yet Nixon failed to win a single southern state except Florida (which is a state that has a large migrant conservative Cuban population that voted in droves for Nixon, they knew the effects of far left statist policies, that's why they aren't in Cuba anymore). Interesting. What were those appeals? Can you find any that exist? If not, then you really have no case.

Like I said, it's a complete lie fabricated by Democrats to hide the racist history of their own racist party.

122   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 2:15pm  

Robert Sproul says

Except the US military has not successfully put down an insurrection since the Philippines.

Has the U.S. government ever been overthown by an insurrection? Has the U.S. military ever been destroyed by an insurrection?

The fact is that the repeated defeats of our military have all been failures to use the sword to accomplish political goals that the sword can never possibly accomplish. You cannot create a free republic by pointing guns at people you are trying to set free. It doesn't work that way. And as such those defeats do not imply in any way that an insurrection could defeat the U.S. military on U.S. soil and overthrow the U.S. government. It only means the military cannot be used to create republics.

Goran_K says

Dan8267 says

nd then those Democrat slave owners, also called Dixiecrats, became Republicans with Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy and later the Tea Party and finally the Freedom Caucus, while the Republicans of that day became the Democrats of today.

That's a myth, one made up by leftist to excuse the parties history of racism (fought for slavery, founded KKK, opposed black voting rights).

You are now rewriting history and doing a very stupid job at that. There are still people alive today who literally lived through the migration of Dixiecrats into the Republican Party. The history is well-known and indisputable.

Strom Thurmond is a perfect example of a Dixiecrat who became a Republican due to the Southern Strategy. Are you saying Strom Thurmond wasn't evil? That he's the good guy? Thurmond didn't change. The parties changed. Anyone who denies this is an outright liar.

The American political system has gone through six party systems already and now is transitioning to the seventh party system. To pretend that the political or demographic makeup of the two major parties has been constant throughout history is a bold face lie.

Goran_K says

Nixon was Pro-black.

CNN: Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

There is nothing more disgusting and unpatriotic than rewriting history with lies. You are harming all future generations of Americans by doing so.

123   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 2:19pm  

Dan8267 says

Strom Thurmond is a perfect example of a Dixiecrat who became a Republican due to the Southern Strategy. Are you saying Strom Thurmond wasn't evil? That he's the good guy? Thurmond didn't change.

Yes you can name 1 or 2. You can't name five elected Dixiecrats out of the 900+ elected offices that became Republican. Please, go name 5.

You can't? That's because they don't exist. 1-2 people switching platforms does not mean a entire party has switched platforms.

Dan8267 says

The parties changed. Anyone who denies this is an outright liar.

Yet you can't explain this:

If Nixon had a "Southern Strategy" to get the parties to switch, how come the racist in the deep south still voted for Democrat Segregationist Wallace?

124   Dan8267   2017 Apr 27, 2:50pm  

Goran_K says

You can't name five elected Dixiecrats out of the 900+ elected offices that became Republican.

Honey, all those Dixiecrats are dead now, but the very people you are condemning literally switched from Democrat to Republican during the 1950s and 1960s, and today's Republican platform was literally written by those same people. So yes, you are condemning today's Republicans when you point out how evil Democrats were before the 1960s.

Goran_K says

Yet you can't explain this:

If Nixon had a "Southern Strategy" to get the parties to switch, how come the racist in the deep south still voted for Democrat Segregationist Wallace?

Yes I can, easily.

The transition from the fifth party system to the sixth party system did not happen overnight. No political party transition happens overnight. It takes years, even decades, for such a transition to take place. That's still damn fast in the big picture, but it does not mean everyone transitions at the same time.

Furthermore, George C. Wallace ran many times for president and never secured the Democratic Nomination. In fact, he even left the party and ran as an independent in 1968. And guess what? It was the white southerner, the descendant of slavers and today's republican/tea party/freedom caucus, who supported Wallace.

Wallace also harbored presidential aspirations. In 1968, he ran as an Independent candidate, supported mainly by white, working-class Southerners.

Put simply, Wallace was a hold out who didn't realize or accept that the political parties had changed. If he had ran as a republican, he would have gotten the nomination.

No matter how you cut it, history shows that the bad guys were American Southerners descended from slavers. It does not matter which party these scumbags belong to at any given time. The actual bad guys have always been the exact same demographic. If you want to know which party backs evil, just look at which one is composed of these evil people. The party does not make the people. The people make the party.

So what kind of perverted twisting of history are you going to try to get out of this one? God knows you won't be honest and just admit the truth I stated above. That would take far too much intellectual courage. And yes, I'm trying to shame you into doing the right thing. It's the only face-saving move you have, but you're not smart enough to take it even after being told point blank that it's the only face-saving move. Watch. It would be trivially easy for you to finally prove me wrong on something by manning up and simply admitting your mistake. But despite the fact that I've gone out on a branch and stated that you won't do that, you still won't do that. It's like you are compelled to do the wrong thing even when you know everyone is expecting you to do the wrong thing and you'd look much better if you surprised them. Yet still, you will not prove me wrong even after reading this paragraph. It's amazing your irrational species has survived this long.

125   Goran_K   2017 Apr 27, 3:01pm  

Dan8267 says

Honey, all those Dixiecrats are dead now, but the very people you are condemning literally switched from Democrat to Republican during the 1950s and 1960s, and today's Republican platform was literally written by those same people. So yes, you are condemning today's Republicans when you point out how evil Democrats were before the 1960s.

Okay, maybe they did switch. So name five. Why can't you do it?

Dan8267 says

The transition from the fifth party system to the sixth party system did not happen overnight. No political party transition happens overnight. It takes years, even decades, for such a transition to take place. That's still damn fast in the big picture, but it does not mean everyone transitions at the same time.

Furthermore, George C. Wallace ran many times for president and never secured the Democratic Nomination. In fact, he even left the party and ran as an independent in 1968. And guess what? It was the white southerner, the descendant of slavers and today's republican/tea party/freedom caucus, who supported Wallace.

Wallace was a life long Democrat (he had been a Democrat for 24 years before the 1968 election) and only became independent because he didn't feel Humphries could beat Nixon (which in that respect he was right). Now you're trying to sweep his history under the rug (like all Democrats do with Wallace) because you know he was a racist idiot that carried the deep south in the 1968 election was destroys your point about Nixon's "southern strategy". Dan8267 says

No matter how you cut it, history shows that the bad guys were American Southerners descended from slavers.

Yes I agree. Those people were Democrats and the ones who are still obsessed with race and continue to try and implement racist policies are still Democrats.

I'd also add that the Civil Rights act passed with more Republican Support than Democrat support.

Let's also not forget Hillary Clinton's mentor and best friend, former KKK Grand Dragon Robert Byrd.

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