patrick.net

There is also

http://factcheck.org/

Lol, again no comments allowed.

justme says

1. post limits

New users: 1 post/day, 2 posts/week, Established users, 2 posts/day, 5 posts/week. Weeks could be rolling 7-day periods. The quality and usefulness of patnet is inversely proportional to the number of posts per day. New users are people who have been registered less than 1 year. People who change their usernames should be considered new users, but changing username really should be forbidden.

I sort-of agree, but don't want to be quite that restrictive. So here are the new post limit rules:

Anonymous users cannot create new posts (aka threads).
Logged-in users can create as many posts per day as the number of whole weeks they have been registered, up to 7 posts in a day for users registered 7 or more weeks.
Changing username more than one time will cost $5 per change. (Have not implemented that one yet.)

justme says

To counteract propaganda, you need a counterthread, side by side. I really have no way of knowing whether it would work, but I have never seen it, and it might be worth a try.

You might like procon.org.

That site limits the topics of discussion though, so users may only debate topics that the owners have approved as debatable. For example, the site permits users to debate whether people are born gay and have a right to the equal protection of the laws governing marriage, but the site does not permit users to debate Islam, nor the ban on Muslim immigration that candidate Trump suggested in 2016. As a result, Muslims may argue that gay people have chosen to defy Allah and that jihadis have a right and sacred duty to kill gay couples. In contrast, no one is allowed to say the President should exercise his Constitutional authority to defend our country from advocates of a totalitarian doctrine that commands believers must kill Americans, violently overthrow our government, and impose Sharia. “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.”

justme says

4. up-and-down voting:

... Up/Down scores also need to be separated so that people can see activity level not just the final score. Just seeing N-N=0 does not tell me anything about a post, nor can it be used to rank the post for activity.

OK, the up and down vote numbers are not displayed separately, though the posts are still ranked by the net of up and down.

justme says

5. Ignore function should exist, and each user should have ignored-by-N-people showing. The latter is very important, because new users need to see who is being either a troll or just wildly partisan.

OK, making my way through the list.

Now there is a number and an ignore icon by each user's comment.

Patrick says

Now there is a number and an ignore icon by each user's comment.

Even better if this shows also on the top level of the threads. That is one place where it is sorely needed.

justme says

11. threads should have yyyy/mm/dd in their URL, so that one can more easily search by date.

OK, got that one done too just now. So urls look like this now, with yyyy-mm-dd in them:

https://patrick.net/post/1311413/2017-10-23-repubs-taking-aim-at-401k-contributions

justme says

14. comment layout: please insert a space between the comment header and the first line/paragraph of comment. If there is only one paragraph, comment is too easy to overlook.

@justme can you post or mail me a screen shot? I don't see what you mean.

This line is too tight up against the comment header. A space in between would help. @Patrick.

Patrick says

justme says

I just had a look at http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/ . It was surprisingly interesting, but not sure whether it has any bearing on Patnet. Most significantly, politifact has no comment section :).

Yes, this makes me assume it's just one more highly partisan site pretending not to be. Like the NY Times.

Politifact is owned by the radical, lefty, liberal Tampa Bay Times. They won't allow and alternate narratives to derail their partisan bullshit.

justme says

This line is too tight up against the comment header. A space in between would help. @Patrick.

OK, made the comment content a div instead of span and changed br to p.
Look better?

justme says

his line is too tight up against the comment header. A space in between would help. @Patrick.

Same goes for the original post or thread at the beginning. It would be nice to have the text start under the down vote arrow. Can't find an example quickly, but I've even seen it get bumped up to the right of a users avatar making it even closer to the header content. When it does that and the first part of the post is a link, I sometime miss the link completely.

I had been waiting for a daily post limit,so I started posting until a pop-up told that I had reached my daily limit,seven.
Peoples' inability to think critically keeps me entertained.
I can post seven threads in a row & constantly comment to keep them at the top of the page.
When I'm banned from making too many comments on my threads,I can constantly comment
on other threads that I think will piss off all the infants.

Patrick rule #1 will not be repeated again.Get it thru your thick skull!
Everyone must read all threads & comments & respond to let us know how brilliant you are.
If one can't think of something brilliant just bitch & moan.

Don't know how old I was the first time I heard,"Grow the fuck up!"

me123 says

Patrick says

justme says

I just had a look at http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/ . It was surprisingly interesting, but not sure whether it has any bearing on Patnet. Most significantly, politifact has no comment section :).

Yes, this makes me assume it's just one more highly partisan site pretending not to be. Like the NY Times.

Politifact is owned by the radical, lefty, liberal Tampa Bay Times. They won't allow and alternate narratives to derail their partisan bullshit.

So where do you go for Real News, free of partisan bullshit?

errc says

So where do you go for Real News, free of partisan bullshit?

This is indeed a problem.

I read a lot of foreign news to see their take on US politics. Chinese, Indian, Russian.

WookieMan says

Same goes for the original post or thread at the beginning. It would be nice to have the text start under the down vote arrow. Can't find an example quickly, but I've even seen it get bumped up to the right of a users avatar making it even closer to the header content. When it does that and the first part of the post is a link, I sometime miss the link completely.

OK, I pushed the original post content down a bit. Better?

errc says

So where do you go for Real News, free of partisan bullshit?

RT (Russia's Today)

Patrick says

OK, I pushed the original post content down a bit. Better?

Good by me! Thanks.

Hey @Partick was scrolling through and saw the new comment notification. Clicked in and it was my last post from a couple of days ago. Screen shot below from just now w/ the notification thingy. There a reason I'd see the notification on the home page with no new comment? Deleted anon post or that Oil user that I'm pretty sure is the Hong Kong bot?

Patrick says

errc says

So where do you go for Real News, free of partisan bullshit?

This is indeed a problem.

I read a lot of foreign news to see their take on US politics. Chinese, Indian, Russian.

Can't believe I am saying it but I recommend Al Jazeera English. Unlike US news which spews leftie rightie crap to trigger us into ratings gold, AL Jazerra covers just enough of the US to keep you informed.

The problem for them is "straight news" is boring, and since consumers sadly prefer tribal infotainment like Fox/MSNBC legit news like this is dying. They recently had to shut down their TV channel because of this.

Point being if you want quality journalism YOU must "vote with your eyeballs" and give them a gander or two.

WookieMan says

Hey Partick was scrolling through and saw the new comment notification. Clicked in and it was my last post from a couple of days ago. Screen shot below from just now w/ the notification thingy. There a reason I'd see the notification on the home page with no new comment? Deleted anon post or that Oil user that I'm pretty sure is the Hong Kong bot?

Seems like a bug. You should not get a new comment blinky for your own comment.

@Patrick, too many old users with new accounts and therefore names, not sure how to solve that one....

"Sniper" is the most recent one.

justme says

"Sniper" is the most recent one.

That's Me123, aka "piggy", CIC, ironman, etc. Patrick did mention charging money for username switches, which I think makes sense. I don't get the point of switching a username. Own what you type.

I've been harping on it for the last couple of weeks, but the anonymous posters have been bugging me. There needs to be a way to identify them and allow users to ignore a specific anon.

Working on it. I have a real job as a node developer now, which is rapidly improving my skills, but limits me to the weekend for big changes.

Anyone who wants to help please see the source code link in the footer.

Looks like anonymous feature with username anon_HEXHASH format is working. There is only one problem: Sometime people just forgot to login and then accidentally "out themselves" by following up on a discussion they were already in. Not me, hehe. Others take the opportunity to say what they really feel :-)

@Patrick, is the HEXHASH based on the ip address or what? I did not see an announcement, I may just have missed it.

@justme yes, it's just part of the hash of their ip address.

LOL outing my own anon name here.