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So what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.

anonymous says

So what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.

What signs?

The SJW'rs in Academia are eating their own where Liberal professors are starting to speak out against them. The BLM movement massively hurt enrollment at Mizzou. What parent is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to have screechy SJW'rs tell them there are more than 2 genders and they are all guilty of white privilege?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html
The SJW'rs in the NFL have tanked football ratings.

And now we are seeing the total hypocrisy of SJW central (Hollywood/Media) with all the sex scandal stuff coming to light.

I am not giving Trump credit for this - but his "incompetence" doesn't look like he is making them stronger by any means.

Sniper says

Oh Bobby, money doesn't matter, because everyone only gets ONE vote, and there a lot more working class people than 1%ers.

and money never influences votes. go trolll somewhere else.

socal2 says

Right - cause we really want ZERO regulations!? There is no in between - right Bob? We either need a fuck-ton of government and regulations or there is no government?

How come you skipped the other part of the comment? Dishonest much? Why didn't you address what I actually posted instead of putting up this nonsense.

So what regulations do you believe the ultra rich libertarians paying for elections want to eliminate that are keeping them from creating jobs and paying employees more? How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.

bob2356 says

How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.

Says the guy that said Republicans/Libertarians want all regulations gone and no government.

All the while complaining that we can't have an honest discussion about the appropriate level of government control over our lives? You might want to look in the mirror.

It just amazes me how Democrats can dominate the debate and make it all about the level of taxation - and not about the size, scope and quality of our government.

socal2 says

What signs?

Growth of Antifa, Colbert taking the lead on TV, Republicans getting clobbered in the polls. The latest Fox congressional poll is 50% Democrats, 35% Republicans.

socal2 says

anonymous says

So what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.

What signs?

Absolute horseshit.

Antifa is FINALLY being acknowledged as the problem they are from the left. There are more red-pilled individuals almost daily. Any democrat who embraces identity politics will severely handicap their chances of winning an election.

The R's will continue to dominate the D's until they remember to support the working class over identity politics nonsense.

Okay, I hate racism. I'll admit it.

IT's finny really that Patrick says that, considering rush limbaugh, fox news and talk radio has offered nothing but hate for decades now.

Do you even realize the extent to which you've been programmed Patrick ?

socal2 says

bob2356 says

How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.

Says the guy that said Republicans/Libertarians want all regulations gone and no government.

All the while complaining that we can't have an honest discussion about the appropriate level of government control over our lives? You might want to look in the mirror.

More misdirection and/or poor reading comprehension. Where did I say libertarians want all regulations gone and no government? Show me where the word ALL is in my entire comment? Anywhere? Go ahead post where the word ALL is from any of my comments. Here let's look at the instant replay.

bob2356 says

Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad?

Look, the word is WHAT, not ALL. Rich libertarians love regulations that restrict competition. They hate regulations that cost money. Like cleaning up toxic waste or worker safety. Followers of the libertarian cult usually reflexively believe regulations are bad no matter what they are because that's the mantra they have been taught. Plenty of posters here on patnet have said exactly that. Do you deny it? Funny how there never any stories on fox or in bretibart about libertarians spending millions lobbying FOR regulations that restrict competition or to give them special treatment. Can't bite the hand that feeds you.

Are the words NO GOVERNMENT in there anywhere? Libertarians love government spending as long as it's all on them. Libertarians love tax breaks and subsidies, Do you know who spent the most money lobbying for the bank bailout? The koch bro's organization. They lost millions in the stock plunge and desperately wanted the government to make it up. They are all about public risk, private profits. Again, the cult followers are only given half the story and many devotedly believe it. Want me to quote a couple dozen on patnet this week alone that say government is all bad?

No we can't have an honest discussion if you keep making things up.

Sniper says

So if you have money, does that get you like 3 votes or more, or do you still have only one?

Oh, BTW, TROLL only has TWO "L"s, why can't you stop fucking up?

That's all you can come up with piggy, an extra l. Pretty pathetic.

So if money doesn't affect voting then why do corporations and wealthy donors contribute 100's of millions every election cycle? They have too much money in the bank and it's a good way to spend it? The shareholders said no we don't want any stinking dividends in election years?

What is even more pathetic is you are trolling this kind of stupidity 18 hours a day for free.

bob2356 says

Followers of the libertarian cult usually reflexively believe regulations are bad no matter what they are because that's the mantra they have been taught. Plenty of posters here on patnet have said exactly that. Do you deny it?

I have seem the conversation consistentlyframed this way, typically as a convenient straw man from which ever side is dismissing the other. As a specific statement I absolutely "deny it". Id enjoy you showing me where anyone in this forum reflexively believe regulations are either all bad or all good. (Don't think you can.)

It is also interesting that you classify billionaires as libertarians, when most of them are autboritarians, exactly the opposite of libertarians

bob2356 says

Want me to quote a couple dozen on patnet this week alone that say government is all bad?

Yes.

jazz_music says

CBOEtrader says

The R's will continue to dominate the D's

... until they run out of wealth and power to gift to their donors.

Do you know what you are talking about? I certainly dont.

Is this a corruption misdirection? Stay on target kid

Look at CBOE all triggered by the truth.

CBOEtrader says

I have seem the conversation consistentlyframed this way, typically as a convenient straw man from which ever side is dismissing the other. As a specific statement I absolutely "deny it". Id enjoy you showing me where anyone in this forum reflexively believe regulations are either all bad or all good. (Don't think you can.)

It is also interesting that you classify billionaires as libertarians, when most of them are autboritarians, exactly the opposite of libertarians

More misdirection. There are only 2 sides? I dismiss the kool aide drinkers on both sides as brainwashed fools. The problem is they are multiplying exponentially as more and more people are led to the extremes by clever marketing and cynical manipulation for political advantage. Since I'm not piggy with all day and night to spend on patnet I grabbed a couple comments real quick.

Wall Street, banks, energy, RE, airlines, consumer products, etc. Less regulation, tax cuts, generally a president who is seen as pro-business. Doesn't matter how we analyze it, the trend is your friend.

Restaurants are too expensive these days. Every regulation, every tax, it all makes it more expensive to run a very competitive business. And costs get to a point where customers can't afford it. If you want to blame someone, blame liberals who went with idiotic socialist anti-business and anti-america policies.

Meanwhile the EPA and every other government agency regulations cost ridiculous amounts of money while providing very questionable results.

One of the things the government can't do is run anything.

Everything government touches turns to crap.

I'm not calling billionaires libertarians. The billionaire followers of the koch bros call themselves libertarians. You do know David Koch ran as vp on the libertarian party ticket once don't you? At the Libertarian convention, Koch called the libertarian party the “best hope for human freedom since the American Revolution.” I would submit that he considers himself libertarian, do you disagree? How about de vos being featured in Being Libertarian? How about self described libertarians like Thiel and Mackay?

The real irony is that the most militant anti government libertarians almost all made their money from the government, usually inherited from their parents who actually made the money from the government for them. Koch bros' being the best example.

-Declaration of Independence:
" — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it," ....especially when they are Pissed-Off!

This trumps your wimpy Constitution.

How many Republicans are sucking the CA. payroll?
Of course they reject any State pensions & pay cash for their healthcare.
They are marching to eliminate the unnecessary departments as long as any one of them doesn't have to get a job at the French Fry Station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies

bob2356 says

There are only 2 sides?

Yes when boiled down to the straw-man level, we either have more or less regulation. In this oversimplified talking point no one ever discusses good vs bad regulations, just more vs less.

Regulation is not salt in a soup. Its not fungible.

Glad we got that out the way :)

I find the prospect of another 7 years of Trump to be most exciting (of course). I can only become so erect at the goings-on right now... but a 7-years of it? Yes please.

CBOEtrader says

bob2356 says

There are only 2 sides?

Yes when boiled down to the straw-man level, we either have more or less regulation. In this oversimplified talking point no one ever discusses good vs bad regulations, just more vs less.

Perfect, you made by point. The vast majority of mindless followers of the libertarian cult simply believe less is always better because all regulations are bad. Find one single example in any of the conservative press that supports any type of regulation as good or supports any kind of regulation at all. Go ahead, go for it. The only exception is social issues where the religious/authoritarian sub cult wants to run everyones life taliban style. The libertarian money people don't care about this, but they encourage it as a rallying point to keep the two basically incompatible groups, the libertarian/anti government and religious/authoritarian, working together. That is fracturing right now with the bannon/trump vs main stream republican. split

I don't see the so called MSM (although I don't read a lot of MSM) calling day in and day out for more regulation or the majority of people identifying themselves as liberals calling for more and more regulation as a rallying point of their entire political belief system. Many do, but it's not anywhere close to the monolithic wall of semi religious fervent belief system of the right.

Don't bother to pull a piggy and claim that because I'm not a card carrying right wingnut I'm a flaming liberal. I was a registered republic for 30 years (registered as independent the day we invaded Iraq) and worked for ford's and reagans campaigns. I have watched the post gingrich/rove party turn into nothing but a vehicle for the ultra rich to become richer totally devoid of any leadership or ideas other than returning to the guilded age. Sad. I do have serious admiration for the ability to get so many people to support positions that will actually be detrimental to them. The majority of trump voters would be devastated by trump's polices if they were enacted. The god/guns/big government/white people gambit is brilliant marketing.

bob2356 says

More misdirection and/or poor reading comprehension. Where did I say libertarians want all regulations gone and no government? Show me where the word ALL is in my entire comment? Anywhere? Go ahead post where the word ALL is from any of my comments. Here let's look at the instant replay.

Here is your entire paragraph.

bob2356 says

Look at our resident trumptard libertarian zombies. Regulations bad. Must get rid of regulations. The trumptards breath clean air, drink clean water, eat steak without cow shit in it, don't work 15 hours a day alongside their young children in a firetrap factory with the doors chained shut, don't die of black lung at 40, don't work all day knee deep in toxic chemicals with no protection then have their employer falsify the records (the koch bros almost went to jail for that one until intervention of their senator got the case dropped), have to move because the entire town was so polluted it's not habitable (koch bro's again) , Yep, you guys are perfectly willing to enjoy the benefits of regulations every single day. Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad? Nope, not a clue. Just regulations bad. Hint, it won't be things like how wide the isle in the grocery store must be. It will be things ...

You flat out say that we think "Regulations bad" and we "Must get rid of regulations".

Then you go on to insinuate that we would prefer to breath dirty air, drink dirty water, eat steak with shit in it, run sweat-shop factories and be knee deep in toxic chemicals. You even found a way to lump in the Prog's biggest bogeymen (KOCH BROS!!!) into your rant.

You can't paint a bigger caricature.