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The issue is not about comparing the relative magnitude of the problems of this country, it's that pedowood routinely tells Trump voters they are deplorable while they lead extremely sinful (and often criminal) lives. Same goes for HRC and their cabal.

zzyzzx says

OK, so you have nothing to add to the Kevin Spacey thread, then why bother commenting?

Because of the faulty logic of this:
mell says

it's that pedowood routinely tells Trump voters they are deplorable while they lead extremely sinful (and often criminal) lives. Same goes for HRC and their cabal.

The logic seems to be that 1) some people in Hollywood are sexual predators therefore 2) nobody in hollywood should say anything. Never mind the fact that there are sexual predators in every business, not the least of which is politics. And by the way, Trump was accused by something like 15 people. Spacey was accused by 1, albeit a minor. I'm merely pointing out how stupid this is as a political victory to celebrate. That point should be made in a thread where people are celebrating this as a political victory.

zzyzzx says

YesYNot says

I'm not defending pedophiles, and am fine with people going down for abuse. I'm just pointing out that these are really just distractions.

OK, so you have nothing to add to the Kevin Spacey thread, then why bother commenting?

Why is it so hard for you to present your evidence?

You make the claim that Kevin Spacey is a pedophile, so why not share your evidence?

I can’t find any crimes he was convicted of, let alone charged with

MAGA by returning to a time when Americans are presumed innocent until proven guilty

Wish my PHAT natural blond chemistry teacher had hit on me in 9th grade.
I would not have said anything to anyone,including my friends.
I think I could have survived the abuse.

It's too bad because 'The Usual Suspects', 'LA Confidential', and 'American Beauty' were all great films.

I had really respected Kevin for his roles in those movies.

Since I hadn't dated in 6+ years and have only fucked hoes during the interim ... I have zero respect for sexual predators, assuming that these are real charges, and not the faux rape stuff as in 'Mattress Girl' of Columbia University.

assuming that these are real charges

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What are the charges?

Why do people struggle so hard to answer such simple questions?

Drunken dry humping or predatory flagrant ass reaming? When does it become RAPE instead of an annoying old queen?

We need a few billion dollars in legal fees and fifty years in court to resolve this thorny white line legal issue!

Let the histrionic sex victim olympics begin!

errc says

Why do people struggle so hard to answer such simple questions?

Isn't that the point... if Rin were brought before a Grand Jury, his response would be ...

"Your Honor, I haven't fucked a woman in the United States of America for 6+ years!"

"Harassment? I couldn't even get him to pull on it a little bit."

"Harvey Weinstein would have ejaculated on him, his potted plant, and his pompadour!"

I’m assuming the reason the question goes unanswered, is because the anti-Americans propagating the nonsense, don’t know what happened. They’re simply parroting what the Oligarch #FakeNews media is programming them with. Here’s what actually happened. Hint: Nothing



Kevin Spacey has been accused of sexual misconduct by fellow actor Anthony Rapp.
n a new interview with Buzzfeed, Rapp accused Spacey of making unwanted sexual advances during a house party in 1986. Rapp was 14 years old, Spacey was 26.

At the time, Spacey and Rapp were both performing on Broadway; they met at a post-show function and struck up a conversation, leading Spacey to invite Rapp to a party hosted at his New York City apartment. Rapp attended the party alone and soon discovered he was the only non-adult in attendance. Bored, he said he went into Spacey’s bedroom to watch television. When the party concluded, Spacey entered the bedroom.

“My memory was that I thought, Oh, everybody’s gone. Well, yeah, I should probably go home,” Rapp said. Spacey, he recalled, “sort of stood in the doorway, kind of swaying. My impression when he came in the room was that he was drunk.” Rapp doesn’t remember Spacey saying anything to him. Instead, Rapp said, “He picked me up like a groom picks up the bride over the threshold. But I don’t, like, squirm away initially, because I’m like, ‘What’s going on?’ And then he lays down on top of me.”

“He was trying to seduce me,” Rapp said. “I don’t know if I would have used that language. But I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually.”


Rapp said he was frozen for several moments before squirming away from Spacey’s arms. “Then I opened the door, and I was like, ‘OK, I’m going to go home now.’ He followed me to the front door of the apartment, and as I opened the door to leave, he was leaning on the front door[frame]. And he was like, ‘Are you sure you wanna go?’ I said, ‘Yes, good night,’ and then I did leave.”

Big surprise, avoid answering the question by posting fake memes. Do you work for ISIS?

errc says

I can’t find any crimes he was convicted of, let alone charged with

Weinstein hasn't been convicted of any crimes - or been formally charged for anything either. So all is cool - right?

The point is that alot of this sleazy sexual exploitation (including children) has been going on in Hollywood a long long time.

Corey Feldman has been raising the alarm on the pedophile abuse for several years. Bryan Singer (X-Men director) has been credibly accused several times of similar behavior.

Apparently Louis C.K. has a Weinstein problem too. What is up with all the jerking off in front of unsuspecting women?

Also just read up about that fucker Matt Taibbi.

The same fuckers that morally preach to us about their Progressive virtue. Scumbags - all of them.

socal2 says

Apparently Louis C.K. has a Weinstein problem too. What is up with all the jerking off in front of unsuspecting women?

Also just read up about that fucker Matt Taibbi.

The same fuckers that morally preach to us about their Progressive virtue. Scumbags - all of them.

The point is that alot of this sleazy sexual exploitation (including children) has been going on in Hollywood a long long time.

What about all the poor children who were violently raped and molested by The Christian Church?

It doesn’t get any more hardcore Christian Conservative than the priests and preachers diddling young boys. So much so it was commonplace that it was aided to continue by those at the highest levels of The Christian/Catholic churches.

But you expect others to be so UnAmerican and ignorant as to join the stupid mob and castigate Spacey based SOLELY on the words of a nobody about a benign, in corroborated event thirty+ years ago?

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

In this instance, I’m not even sure what crime you’re praying for Spacey to be convicted of. What crimes do you claim he committed?

errc says

What about all the poor children who were violently raped and molested by The Christian Church?

What about it? They have been exposed, some clergy has been jailed and the churches have paid out millions and millions of dollars in damages. Everyone knows about the major hypocrisy and criminality by some of the clergy. It's been major news for years and loads of movies, sitcoms and documentaries have been made about it.

Whereas until this past month - Hollywood (and the Media) has been protecting this predatory behavior among its ranks. All the while they morally scold Conservatives about their virtue and morals.

Hollywood needs the same spotlight that our churches rightfully got when their abuse was exposed.

Regarding Spacey - apparently just like Weinstein, everybody in Hollywood knew about his behavior.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/31/rosie-odonnell-claims-we-all-knew-about-kevin-spacey-allegations-as-she-compares-him-to-weinstein-7041276/

So if I accused you of having me over to a party and then making a pass at you thirty+ years ago, would you accept all the accusations of pedophilia, and waive any expectations of the most important of American ideals : innocent until proven guilty?

Is one loan claim of a sexual pass at a minor, by a 26 year old, enough evidence to ruin someone’s life?

First they came for Spacey, and you did nothing....

Who will be left to defend you?

Who will stand for our country and it’s ideals, if not you?

Do you just expect everyone else to do the work for you?

I see. You stand with Rosie O’do Now. Strange bedfellows.

Good to see there are still some thinking people left, like the person that asked her why she did nothing if she had knowledge of all this for so many years. What a pompous coward....but I see why you hold her words in such high regard

errc says

It doesn’t get any more hardcore Christian Conservative than the priests and preachers

I will have to remember that priests and preachers make up the farthest right on the linear scale.

BayArea says

I will have to remember that priests and preachers make up the farthest right on the linear scale.

Alot of Catholic priests are pretty leftwing. Including the current Pope.

errc says

Is one loan claim of a sexual pass at a minor, by a 26 year old, enough evidence to ruin someone’s life?

There are female teachers younger than 26 who were convicted (some even in jail) for seducing teenagers.

And based on the report, Spacey did more than throw a pass on a 14 year old boy. And there are loads of reports of Spacey (and lots of Hollywood big honchos) preying on young boys.

Spacey may not be the worst pedo in Hollywood, but a message needs to be sent to eliminate the sickness that has pervaded Hollywood for far too long.

Is a 17 year old who dates a 14 year old, a pedophile?

If I recall a sexual encounter from twenty years ago with my jr. High gf, does that make me a pedophile?

As an American, do you expect to be treated as innocent until proven guilty?

If so, why do you not extend the same courtesy to your fellow countryman?

We will have to see if the Hollywood sexual harassment scandal of 2017 can compete with the Church's child rape scandal of years past. I'm betting it doesn't. What errc seems to be pointing out is the hypocrisy of a certain group on the right. They want this scandal to mean that all of hollywood are rapist low lives, and by extension, all of the lefties are immoral low lives. At the same time, they will dismiss the Church pedophilia problem as an exception to the rule. That's how I see it anyway.

YesYNot says

At the same time, they will dismiss the Church pedophilia problem as an exception to the rule. That's how I see it anyway.

LOL... DEFLECT DEFLECT!!!

You talking about the Catholic church?

BayArea says

errc says

It doesn’t get any more hardcore Christian Conservative than the priests and preachers

I will have to remember that priests and preachers make up the farthest right on the linear scale.

Who did you think were the most hardcore of Christian Conservatives? I’m genuinely curious

And based on the report, Spacey did more than throw a pass on a 14 year old boy. And there are loads of reports of Spacey


Care to present your evidence?

errc says

Is a 17 year old who dates a 14 year old, a pedophile?

No - cause you aren't considered an adult at 17.

There is a big difference between 17 and 26.

YesYNot says

We will have to see if the Hollywood sexual harassment scandal of 2017 can compete with the Church's child rape scandal of years past. I'm betting it doesn't. What errc seems to be pointing out is the hypocrisy of a certain group on the right. They want this scandal to mean that all of hollywood are rapist low lives, and by extension, all of the lefties are immoral low lives. At the same time, they will dismiss the Church pedophilia problem as an exception to the rule. That's how I see it anyway.

It's a fair point that we can't label all of Hollywood (and it's liberal friends) as a bunch of immoral pervs. But that certainly didn't stop many on the Left and anti-religious spectrum from tarring the entire Catholic Church (and Christianity) as a bunch of pedos.

What I think makes the Hollywood scandal unique is that it appears it was an OPEN SECRET by many in the industry that people like Weinstein were abusing people all over the place. And we are just scratching the surface on how far this scandal goes. We've learned more in the last 7 days than we have in 7 decades.

Of course we have the hypocrisy angle as many in Hollywood were just as "holier than thou" as the Catholic Church in their moralizing and political activity projecting their own sexual harassment problems on Conservatives with the whole "war on women" theme.

socal2 says

errc says

Is a 17 year old who dates a 14 year old, a pedophile?

No - cause you aren't considered an adult at 17.

There is a big difference between 17 and 26.

What is the difference?

You’re suggesting that the 14 year old is mature enough to survive sex with a 17 year old, but if they simply are proposed by a 26 year old, they revert to children and it’s pedophilia. I’m asking for clarification because I don’t understand. It doesn’t make sense. However, I’m pleading with any American willing to castigate Spacey to explain it to me, so I too can say fuck you to America, and jump on the guilty until proven innocent brigade.

socal2 says

Of course we have the hypocrisy angle as many in Hollywood were just as "holier than thou" as the Catholic Church in their moralizing and political activity projecting their own sexual harassment problems on Conservatives with the whole "war on women" theme.

I don't love Hollywood, and I wonder at the amount of time that people spend following pop-culture. However, I don't begrudge Hollywood types for sharing their opinion. They don't seem anymore 'holier than thou' than anyone else with an opinion. The difference is that our culture has decided to pay attention to everything that they say. Same goes for sports people. They make a lot of money. They can decide to take a knee if they want. It's really no different than anyone else with an opinion doing/saying what they want. I think what makes people mad is that other people pay attention to what the actors and athletes say.

joshuatrio says

You talking about the Catholic church?

If you scan the thread a bit you will see that several people are talking about the Catholic Church. So, yeah, I'm responding to that conversation and referring to the Catholic Church. I don't know why I would deflect, though. I don't have a dog in the fight regarding Kevin Spacey.

I think what makes people mad is that other people pay attention to what the actors and athletes say.

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I don’t think that’s it at all. Those types of people are angry because they’re programmed to exist in anger and fear, and their jealous of those of us strong enough in our convictions to have our own opinions.

It makes sense then, why people like xxyzz is incapable of answering any questions about their opinions, and instead revert to the lil kids picture menu.

errc says

You’re suggesting that the 14 year old is mature enough to survive sex with a 17 year old, but if they simply are proposed by a 26 year old, they revert to children and it’s pedophilia.

It's not the age of the child, it's about the age of the adult.

A 26 year old man SHOULD know better than trying to fuck a 14 year old boy. He/She has much more authority and power over a child than a 17 year old does.

Anyway, seems pretty odd that I need to explain why it is wrong for a man to try and sleep with a 14 year old boy. Lots of Taliban are pederasts with 14 year old boys. Do you defend that practice too?

socal2 says

errc says

You’re suggesting that the 14 year old is mature enough to survive sex with a 17 year old, but if they simply are proposed by a 26 year old, they revert to children and it’s pedophilia.

It's not the age of the child, it's about the age of the adult.

A 26 year old man SHOULD know better than trying to fuck a 14 year old boy. He/She has much more authority and power over a child than a 17 year old does.

Anyway, seems pretty odd that I need to explain why it is wrong for a man to try and sleep with a 14 year old boy. Lots of Taliban are pederasts with 14 year old boys. Do you defend that practice too?

I’m not defending pedophiles.

I’m defending Americans right to due process and the right to presume innocence until found guilty.

In the process, I don’t mind opening up anyone’s mind to differing ideas and viewpoints.

I don’t think Spacey is even being accused of a crime here. Some nobody is looking to make a name for himself by crying foul about a brief contact with him 30+ years ago, where even he admits nothing happened.

And you’re correct, I could be the one in the wrong, but I don’t understand the argument that a 14 y.o. And a 17 y.o. Are doing what’s natural and moral, but if it’s a 14y.o. with a 19 year old well then it’s pedophilia. I think it harms victims of pedophilia to mince words and mislabel normal sexual encounters as pedophilia

This is why the pedo ring known as hollywood and its gay agenda should not be tolerated.

Booger says

This is why the pedo ring known as hollywood and its gay agenda should not be tolerated.

Why do you tolerate Christians and the Church? Talk about a pedo ring with a gay agenda...