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I have a very bad feeling about the next King in the making here. Again, like Trump, I hope to be proven wrong, but I do not think the 2030 plan, or women driving, is anything but breadcrumbs. There isn't going to be a major shift toward a more egalitarian society here. I think there will, however, be new power dynamics and a much more active Saudi presence.
Strategist saysLooks like our hold on the Saudis is increasing. Nothing like destroying the mother of all terrorism from the inside.
"Our hold"? If you mean power is being concentrated into a single individual, who is an extremely savy politician, and ruthless enough to oust and imprison foes, to cement central rule ... is a "hold" ... surrrreeeee ... Trump is more like kitten MbS blew his nose on, comparatively.
A source reportedly told the Daily Mail that the group has since been subjected to “interrogations” carried out by “American mercenaries” brought in to work for the Crown Prince, 32, who is now the kingdom’s most powerful figure.
“They are beating them, torturing them, slapping them, insulting them. They want to break them down,” the source told the site.
among them Prince Alwaleed bin Talal whose $US10 billion fortune makes him the 10th richest man on the planet.
anonymous saysamong them Prince Alwaleed bin Talal whose $US10 billion fortune makes him the 10th richest man on the planet.
What? A mere $10 billion is pathetic, making him about the the 156th richest man in the world:
Patrick saysanonymous saysamong them Prince Alwaleed bin Talal whose $US10 billion fortune makes him the 10th richest man on the planet.
What? A mere $10 billion is pathetic, making him about the the 156th richest man in the world:
He tried to portray himself as a self made billionaire. ROFL ROFL.
A Saudi with intelligence? Very rare indeed.
Strategist saysA Saudi with intelligence? Very rare indeed.
KSA was smart enough to fuck over America for 50 years so far. They are using your money to pay terrorists to attack us as we speak.
LOL. Trumpcucks are embracing another authoritarian regime. Nothing new here really.
Insider claims Saudi princes and billionaires ‘tortured and insulted’ following brutal crackdown. SAUDI royalty and billionaires are being strung up by their feet and beaten by American private security contractors, according to insider reports.
There is no doubt that 80 odd years of oil pumping has created a very mixed society in Saudi Arabia with indescribable wealth balanced against a struggling Saudi underclass. The young people are revolting – as everywhere, and want part of the action. The state has been increasingly paying out vast amounts to keep Saudis in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. The oil price collapse has driven home the fact that no country, not even Saudi, can afford to just pay its people to do nothing.
That's why they've divested in Countries all over the world.
All thanks to our new best friend, MBS the Prince of Arabia.Strategist says
Our only choice is to control them through puppets like the Crown Prince MBS.
Strategist saysOur only choice is to control them through puppets like the Crown Prince MBS.
You guys are really funny. How many radical imans around the world have been stopped from preaching terrorism? How many radical madras (aka terrorist training schools) around the world have been shut down? How many saudi's nave been arrested for sending out money to terrorists? The answer would be zero/zilch/nada/none.
The people arrested have only 2 traits. They have big bank accounts to confiscate and they have enough power to oppose MBS. The whole thing is a power grab, nothing to do with reform of any kind.
But hey keep on dreaming.
Good evening Bob. Hope you are keeping warm in ice country.
Power grab comes first if you want your own puppet in power.
How do you figure the saudi prince in power de jour is our puppet? More the other way around, trump is his puppet. The bullshit talk of reform will die the second aramco goes public and KSA aka the prince banks the money.
Let me know when some reforms that actually reign in saudi sponsored radical islam around the world happen. Not that anyone born in the 20th or 21st century is going to live long enough to see that happen.
Trump is their puppet? ha ha ha Trump does not need the Saudi regime to survive. The Saudi regime needs Trump for their survival. They need our weapons to defeat Iran. Without American weapons the Saudis would get barbecued by the Iranians.
Have patience. Let MBS become king first.
Strategist says
Trump is their puppet? ha ha ha Trump does not need the Saudi regime to survive. The Saudi regime needs Trump for their survival. They need our weapons to defeat Iran. Without American weapons the Saudis would get barbecued by the Iranians.
So thats why trump scrambled to make KSA his first foreign visit as president and kuscher and company have been running a commuter service over there. Because they need us Just look at how many trips the needy king has taken to see trump here. Did you ever consider making objective reality align with what you post? It's just a thought.
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Have patience. Let MBS become king first.
He had no trouble arresting and confiscating all the money from the most powerful people in the KSA. Yet he can't shut down rag bag mosques and madras schools in third world shitholes.
You want to support the people that fund and create Radical Islamic Terrorism?
errc saysYou want to support the people that fund and create Radical Islamic Terrorism?
I want to support the people who are willing to destroy radical Islam.
Confiscating the money from all those Prince's was the right thing to do. They stole the oil money, not earned it. It belongs to the people. His actions tells us this is the guy we need to support.
Strategist saysConfiscating the money from all those Prince's was the right thing to do. They stole the oil money, not earned it. It belongs to the people. His actions tells us this is the guy we need to support.
The prince got his money from the tooth fairy leaving a really big lump under his pillow is what you are saying? Even more lame. If you look around the poker table and can't see the sucker then the sucker is you.
They have hundreds of Prince's. All of them looting the treasury in broad daylight.
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They have hundreds of Prince's. All of them looting the treasury in broad daylight.
Of which MBS is top of the list of looters. Do you think he paid for his 425 million euro yacht with grocery store redemption stamps? You, trump, and two scoops getting played big time.
At least trump is going to put a shitload of money in his pocket. What are the patnet twins getting?
“The business case is hard to make for manufacturing and light industry in Saudi Arabia,” says Karen Young, a senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.
The Neom development is the flagship project of Prince Mohammed’s plan. He unveiled the scheme at a glitzy investor conference in October where he wooed some of the world’s top bankers and executives. Neom is far more ambitious than the six economic cities launched in the 2000s: it will cover 26,000 sq m and targets attracting investment in new technologies, including renewable energy and robotics. Its goal is to contribute $100bn to GDP by 2030.
Prince Mohammed will personally oversee the project, and it is be financed by a combination of government spending, funding from the Public Investment Fund, the $230bn sovereign wealth fund, and private sector investment.
Similar diversification plans have been tried many times before and stumbled. But Saudi officials insist they have heeded ...
Prince Muhammad’s strategy of suppressing dissent while loosening up in some areas appears calculated. He has made many enemies by sidelining fellow royals, shaking down businessmen, locking up liberals and alienating religious leaders. But few question his rule. Saudis seem to be adapting to the likelihood that one unaccountable man will rule them for decades to come.
Feux Follets saysPrince Muhammad’s strategy of suppressing dissent while loosening up in some areas appears calculated. He has made many enemies by sidelining fellow royals, shaking down businessmen, locking up liberals and alienating religious leaders. But few question his rule. Saudis seem to be adapting to the likelihood that one unaccountable man will rule them for decades to come.
Yet another leader for life ruthless strongman that trump gushes over. Unlike those weak democratically elected leaders who are actually accountable to the voters.
Anyone want to take a bet on when we will start hearing that limiting the president to 2 terms is a bad deal for America? That we need to overturn the 2 term limit to MAGA.
Yet another leader for life ruthless strongman that trump gushes over. Unlike those weak democratically elected leaders who are actually accountable to the voters.
bob2356 saysYet another leader for life ruthless strongman that trump gushes over. Unlike those weak democratically elected leaders who are actually accountable to the voters.
Whereas under Obama, King Abdullah was a beacon of democracy. And nary a peep was heard from Obama or his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.
Hey, that's a great idea. How come I did not thunk it.
So you are in favor of Trump continuing the offical US policy of sucking Saudi dick? What happened to Trump fixing Obama's mistakes? You can't have it both ways, although god knows you certainly try.
So you are in favor of Trump continuing the offical US policy of sucking Saudi dick? What happened to Trump fixing Obama's mistakes? You can't have it both ways, although god knows you certainly try.
No Bob no. You don't understand real life politics.
Obama implemented policies to suck Saudi dick. We all saw Obama bow down towards the King's dick, didn't we? Trump changed the policy to making Saudi Kings bend over, and now they know what a big dick Trump has
Have you noticed what's been happening in Saudi Arabia since Trump became President?
First Female Driver, Wrestling and Music Events, Women unbanned from many Public Events, etc.
When radical wahabbi madras schools and mosques around the world start shutting down and radical imans defunded then I'll be believe MBS is something other than a power grabbing opportunist.
BRUSSELS/RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has agreed to give up control of Belgium’s largest mosque in a sign that it is trying to shed its reputation as a global exporter of an ultra-conservative brand of Islam.
Boom - Saudi Arabia breaks with ultra conservative Mosque.
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https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/11/04/King-Salman-issues-Royal-Orders-relieves-Minister-of-the-National-Guard.html
They also arrested Saudi Billionaire and Trump Hater, Prince al-Waleed bin Talal,on corruption charges, along with several other ministers and former ministers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-waleed-bin-talal.html
WOW. History in the making folks. And it was all waiting for a President that could backstop them during their reforms, who wasn't a Political Islamicist Sympathizer or Neoliberal, but a man of business.
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