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HappyGilmore says

PG-13 didn't come out until 1984. Try again Lips.

Nope. Old Trick: Find an old accusation and ring it up.

The Cop said they never saw Roy Moore with a teenager, even though they were told to look out. The media glossed over that bit. At the time, he was engaged in a major local controversy over Sheriff Department Funding, so it was a smear.

He made many enemies in Alabama over the past few decades.

The Restaurant he's accused of assaulting the victim in the lot had no parking lot, and still doesn't 40 years later.

Both women have ties to the Democratic Party, and a history of multiple divorces and bankruptcy. The Yearbook Woman's OWN MOTHER doesn't believe her, and suggested she was a tough kid given to making up drama (aka Personality Disorder).

I notice Time Magazine left out Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Wiley, or Paula Jones. But included people who didn't say shit until it was already being discussed. Nor did I see Rose McGowan, who didn't shut up, sued and won a settlement against whatshisface at the time it happened

HappyGilmore says

You mean except for the hard evidence that is pictured in the OP?

The one she had two Child Tickets with "Mike Jordan".

Did she go on a date with Dave Mattingly, too?



Frankly, I prefer TIFFANY to Debbie Gibson. I'm more into Full Figured Redheads than Skinny Blondes

Yes, because the only person ever named Michael Jordan in history was the basketball player.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Nor did I see Rose McGowan

That's probably because you didn't read the article. She is there.

As to Moore, all one needs to know is a 30+ year old continually frequented Gadsden Mall to pick up women, some half his age. Not normal, and people in the community have stated so.

https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/roy-moore-banned-mall-harassing-teen-girls/
Breitbart sent investigators to discredit the accusations. That's not normal either.

What the right is trying to sell here is that 1. All accused Democrats are guilty, but accused Republicans (Moore and Trump) are not. The reality seems to be that a lot of guys like Trump and Franken got away with some pretty overly aggressive behavior. They are probably all guilty pretty much as charged.

People who are younger in their careers will think twice about doing that sort of thing. Unfortunately, it will probably swing too far in the other direction making people too averse to anything remotely sexual.

Rew says

s to Moore, all one needs to know is a 30+ year old continually frequented Gadsden Mall to pick up women, some half his age. Not normal, and people in the community have stated so.

Yep. At best, he made a habit of creeping on teenagers while in his 30s. It would be one thing if it were one relationship, but it appears that it was just his target age range. At worst, he went for a 14 yr old while in his 30s (rapist).

The Republicans want to win a seat, and they probably will because Alabama is so Republican. But they ought to be thinking of the long game. People stay in the Senate for a long time. This guy is bad for the party for a variety of reasons, including this sex scandal that will linger. If a Dem got in from Alabama, he'd probably get voted out 6 years later.

Stop it with the photo evidence bullshit... that’s like taking a photo of an SNL set while they are rehearsing and claiming the “actors” were sexually assaulting each other. Or me taking a picture of my TV set while Law and Order: SVU is on and having all the day players arrested.


Goran_K says

Rew says

Considering that it’s a senate seat that’s up for grabs, potentially tipping the legislative balance to the left or the right, and thus either enabling or crippling the Trump administration’s attempts to MAGA, its all relevant and important. Considering the absolutely extreme stakes, and considering a lot of sketchiness and lying by the accusers, and considering that they only accused him a day AFTER the deadline for party candidate replacement, this smells exactly like a Leftist hit job.

I don’t believe Moore’s accusers at all. This is a blatant attempt by the Democrats and Rinos to seize control of the Senate by exploiting the “pound me too” activist wave.

An elaborate hit job that came at a very convenient time.

With Franken, there was photo evidence, that's why he's resigning. With Conyers, he took a huge taxpayer funded settlement.

With Moore, the...

Rew says

As to Moore, all one needs to know is a 30+ year old continually frequented Gadsden Mall to pick up women, some half his age. Not normal, and people in the community have stated so.

Nope, the Policewoman says it never happened.

The media reports the first half, that there were rumors, but not the second half, that suddenly, nothing happened when they looked into it.

"The Story is Real but the News is Fake."

Again, Conyers paid settlements. Franken has photo evidence, though I think it's out of context. Franken should NOT resign, at the very least there should be hearings of the ethics committee. He's being used as a sacrifice fly to get Moore.

There is nothing for Roy Moore except some apparently faked entries in a scrapbook and yearbook. ALL of his accusers are linked to the Democrats.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Franken has photo evidence

The issue with Franken is not the picture. If it were only the picture, there would not be an issue. Franken's problem is that there are multiple women that said he forcibly kissed them or groped them.
There is evidence that Roy Moore was a 30 yr old mall rat creeping on teenagers. Everybody knew it. It was his reputation among the teenagers and mall cops. His problem is that he dated young women, and one of them was 14, which is a big problem. On it's own, an unproven allegation by one person might not be credible, but when there is a clear pattern of behavior that is corroborated by many people who knew about it at the time, the 14 yr old becomes very credible, as it fits with his behavior.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-roy-moores-open-secret-stayed-secret-for-so-long_us_5a159963e4b03dec82497e02

"When I was deputy district attorney, many years before we got married, I saw her at a dance recital and I was standing, oh, at the back of the auditorium and I saw her up front," he recalled at the time. "I remember her name, it was Kayla Kisor. KK. But I remember that and I didn't meet her there ... it was, oh gosh, eight years later or something, I met her. And when she told me her name, I remembered."

That’s Roy Moore talking about checking out his future wife WHEN SHE WAS 15. Are his own words FakeNews?

The guy is an anti-American halfwit with no respect for the Constitution, who sexually assault young girls. You’re losing your shit defending the guy, but I get it, he’s a Republican, and your feelz are that what with their great track record, we must put Republican scum in office to fix ...all the problems that they have created. Ugh

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Nope, the Policewoman says it never happened.

The media reports the first half, that there were rumors, but not the second half, that suddenly, nothing happened when they looked into it.

"The Story is Real but the News is Fake

No--it happened.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/roy-moore-gadsden-mall-ban/
"According to people from Gadsden who have spoken to the New Yorker and AL.com, Moore’s habit of flirting with underage girls was “common knowledge” and “not a big secret.”

"Theresa Jones, a deputy district attorney for Etowah County in the early eighties, had previously told CNN last week that “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high-school girls,” but was unable to verify if Moore was actually banned from the space—it was a rumor she had heard for years, she said."

I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out.

anonymous says

And no theater in the country is going to give a 17 or 18 year old a "Child Ticket".

Who do you think worked at movie theaters? High School students. You don't think there is any chance that they would sell a child's ticket to a friend whom also was in highschool?

Also what is your source? I see no link, where do you get your info from?

Do remember Alex Jones is an admitted actor. He doesn't believe the stuff he says. But hey, we all got to make money somehow.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

HappyGilmore says

PG-13 didn't come out until 1984. Try again Lips.

Nope. Old Trick: Find an old accusation and ring it up.

Wait are you saying that the rating PG-13 really DID exist in 1981?

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

There is evidence that Roy Moore was a 30 yr old mall rat creeping on teenagers.

Nope. There is no evidence Moore trolled the Mall for teenagers. The police officer who heard the rumor and was told to keep her eyes open said they never found anything nor got any reports of victims. The Media reported the rumor from the ex-cop but not the second part of her interview, that nobody saw or heard jack shit.

Recycling a smear from 40 years ago some local enemy put out there. This was around the time Moore called a Grand Jury over Sheriff Department funding, making him a lot of local enemies.

40 year old claims need high quality evidence.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Everybody knew it

That's funny, everybody, including the primary accuser's parent, has said they either have no knowledge or that it didn't happen.

Even the Parking Lot where it is alleged to have happened not only didn't exist, there still is no parking lot at that location.

anon_2c734 says

Who do you think worked at movie theaters? High School students. You don't think there is any chance that they would sell a child's ticket to a friend whom also was in highschool?

To a 30 something Vietnam Vet AND his 18 year old date? Sorry, need more than that to back up a 40-year old allegation that was precisely timed for the day it was too late to submit a new candidate.

His accusers can take him to court. Or do you think we shouldn't seat people who win elections based on 40-year old Rumors, a ticket in a scrapbook, and a yearbook entry in two different inks that obviously don't match his handwriting?

I agree though, if Moore really wrote his occupation in her Yearbook while trying to schtup her, he had bad judgement. Or, the different inks should be subject to chemical analysis. I wouldn't be surprised if the pen and ink turn out to be manufactured in 2016 by the Ho Lee Fuk Pen Company of Shenzhen. Time Travelling Pen, those Chinese work magic, I tell you!

Just because Franken resigned based on unbacked allegations, either he had a guilty conscience or he was the victim of political bullying, mostly from his own side, doesn't mean Moore should.

It's purely coincidental that control of the Senate hangs by a thread at this time, of course.

HappyGilmore says

-it happened.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/roy-moore-gadsden-mall-ban/
"According to people from Gadsden who have spoken to the New Yorker and AL.com, Moore’s habit of flirting with underage girls was “common knowledge” and “not a big secret.”

"Theresa Jones, a deputy district attorney for Etowah County in the early eighties, had previously told CNN last week that “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high-school girls,” but was unable to verify if Moore was actually banned from the space—it was a rumor she had heard for years, she said."

Rew says

As to Moore, all one needs to know is a 30+ year old continually frequented Gadsden Mall to pick up women, some half his age. Not normal, and people in the community have stated so.

https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/roy-moore-banned-mall-harassing-teen-girls/
Breitbart sent investigators to discredit the accusations. That's not normal either.

anon_e5e95 says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

HappyGilmore says

PG-13 didn't come out until 1984. Try again Lips.

Nope. Old Trick: Find an old accusation and ring it up.

Wait are you saying that the rating PG-13 really DID exist in 1981?

Am curious to see you weigh in on the existence of PG-13 in 1981.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Or do you think we shouldn't seat people who win elections

He hasn't won yet, what I'm saying is I wouldn't vote for an accused pedophile no matter what party he was in. I'd just assume not vote for anyone. I guess Republicans have no morals.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

anon_2c734 says

Who do you think worked at movie theaters? High School students. You don't think there is any chance that they would sell a child's ticket to a friend whom also was in highschool?

To a 30 something Vietnam Vet AND his 18 year old date?

Sorry but those child tickets are a date with Mike Jordan whomever that is. You should look at what you post. Her first date with Roy was at a place called catfish cabin.

anon_2ddb7 says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Or do you think we shouldn't seat people who win elections

He hasn't won yet, what I'm saying is I wouldn't vote for an accused pedophile no matter what party he was in. I'd just assume not vote for anyone. I guess Republicans have no morals.

I guess Democrats who voted for Hillary have no morals either since she was rumored to have either engaged in pedophilia or facilitated it with the pizzagate rumors and yet most still voted for her.

anon_4e80d says

she was rumored to have either engaged in pedophilia or facilitated it with the pizzagate rumors

Some rumors are obviously in the domain of the hard core wing nuts like Alex Jones. Just look at the crap he sells on his web site to see what his audience thinks. Other accusations are credible, and backed up by many witnesses and statements by the potential perp in question, which is the case with Roy Moore.

Also, I think this means we win: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/bombshell-roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-yearbook/

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

anon_4e80d says

she was rumored to have either engaged in pedophilia or facilitated it with the pizzagate rumors

Some rumors are obviously in the domain of the hard core wing nuts like Alex Jones. Just look at the crap he sells on his web site to see what his audience thinks. Other accusations are credible, and backed up by many witnesses and statements by the potential perp in question, which is the case with Roy Moore.

Okay, so now the standard is credible accusations should prevent a person with morals from voting for a potential political candidate.

I think the reason why none of the discussions on patnet get anywhere is because no one here presents honest arguments. None of the people saying Roy Moore should bow out because he's a pedophile really think he's a pedophile. Or at least, I don't believe you believe it with as much certainty as you seem to on here. If Roy Moore went on trial for this (which of course he can't because of statue of limitations) and you had to bet all your money on the outcome of the trial, would you bet the jury would find him guilty or innocent?

There's no convincing, credible, evidence in this case. There are no witnesses, only accusers. We can argue all day about the merits of the case, but at the end of the day, we are talking about stuff that may or may not have happened 40 years ago, so we'll probably never know. How is it fair to Roy Moore to not vote for him simply because of the existence of accusations that cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or even to the point of probable cause? Imagine if you were denied a job simply because someone claimed you did something 40 years ago?

Of course none of this will matter to you because its patnet, I'll just point out your hypocrisy instead. If voting for Roy Moore is immoral, why was it moral to vote for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton had much more credible rape accusations against him then Roy Moore does, and the Democrats still elected him.

This thread is useless without nude pics of Debbie Gibson. I would post them myself, but I am at work.

How is it fair to Roy Moore to not vote for him simply because of the existence of accusations that cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or even to the point of probable cause

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If thats not enough, then go with what we know with absolute certainty. That he was twice removed as judge for his ISIS like hatred of the Constitution, and disregard for the Rule of Law


shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Shall also not erect a 5,000 statue of the Koran at
The State Judicial Building.

Flaunting ones ignorance and ambivalence towards America and our Constitution is not a virtue....unless youre a Trumpcuck or Alabama Righttard voter

anon_2ddb7 says

Her first date with Roy was at a place called catfish cabin.

This allegedly happened so long ago, that the accuser that was a teenager at the time, can join AARP next year. Extraordinary Claims require extraordinary evidence.

I don't go by accusations, because then all you got to do is find a few activists or those who come when you "Drag Dollar Bills through a trailer park". Accusations != Evidence.

"I flew a blue rocket to the moon last night, dad!"

If she's so sure, let's get ready for the civil suit. I'd be shocked if she or anybody else files one, because it's a put up job. Seeing Gloria Aldred is a red flag for me.

There were 5 Bazillion Trump accusers, most of them wealthy activists involved with the Democrats, in Oct-Nov, and they've all disappeared.

BTW, now that Roy Moore is completely vindicated by the latest forgery revelations, how pissed is Al Franken right now? He just resigned yesterday so that Democrats could have the high ground and maybe win the Alabama seat. Now that has all failed. He probably won't actually resign and will run again in 2020 is my guess. Did Trump plan all this? Was the woman a plant. This is some serious 12D chess if so my friends!

errc says

If thats not enough, then go with what we know with absolute certainty. That he was twice removed as judge for his ISIS like hatred of the Constitution, and disregard for the Rule of Law


shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Shall also not erect a 5,000 statue of the Koran at
The State Judicial Building.

Flaunting ones ignorance and ambivalence towards America and our Constitution is not a virtue....unless youre a Trumpcuck or Alabama Righttard voter

I love your comment. At least you are now being honest about why you don't like him. I also agree with you that we shouldn't be putting bible passages in federal buildings. Does the fact that Roy Moore wanted to do this make him ineligible to run for elected office? I don't think so. So now I have to actually compare issues and decide who I'm going to vote for? That's too confusing, lets just call one a pedo and vote for the other one instead!

anon_4e80d says

Also, I think this means we win:

What Exactly was forged? You do know the meaning of forgery right?

So is brietbart fake news or what? I think a good definition of a fake news site is calling something forgery which in fact is not forgery.

anon_4e80d says

Of course none of this will matter to you because its patnet, I'll just point out your hypocrisy instead. If voting for Roy Moore is immoral, why was it moral to vote for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton had much more credible rape accusations against him then Roy Moore does, and the Democrats still elected him.

I haven't said that I know that Roy Moore a rapist. I did say that his accusers are credible, and I think there's a good chance he did commit statutory rape of a 14 yr old. Here's what I think about Clinton: There were credible allegations against Clinton, and Dems elected him anyway. Perhaps people didn't believe the charges. Perhaps they thought that it wasn't worth worrying over. In hindsight, I'm sure that many wish that they had not voted for him. I for one was happy that he was impeached, b/c he lied under oath.

One thing that people don't seem to discuss, though, is the impact of time. Society in general is not standing for things that were routinely done 25 years ago (when Bill Clinton was elected). Clarence Thomas would not have been approved if he were appointed last year. Franken would not have resigned 25 yrs ago. I actually think that the Dems are overreacting on the punishment of Franken. But, the Democrats are saying enough is enough. Republicans are acting like Democrats did 25 yrs ago, even though 25 yrs ago they were arguing that Clinton should not be elected for similar accusations. So, the Democrats have evolved to be less tolerant of rape and harassment. Republicans are showing that they are either just 100% partisan or that they are evolving to be more tolerant of rape and harassment. It's pretty funny to me.

Well how about that! She forged added some information with the obvious intent of making it appear it was Moore's.

Will the Witchfinder Generals now admit there is much less to go on? Or will they continue to demand the wood be oiled and set alight, regardless of evidence?

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

anon_4e80d says

Of course none of this will matter to you because its patnet, I'll just point out your hypocrisy instead. If voting for Roy Moore is immoral, why was it moral to vote for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton had much more credible rape accusations against him then Roy Moore does, and the Democrats still elected him.

I haven't said that I know that Roy Moore a rapist. I did say that his accusers are credible, and I think there's a good chance he did commit statutory rape of a 14 yr old. Here's what I think about Clinton: There were credible allegations against Clinton, and Dems elected him anyway. Perhaps people didn't believe the charges. Perhaps they thought that it wasn't worth worrying over. In hindsight, I'm sure that many wish that they had not voted for him. I for one was happy that he was impeached, b/c he lied under oath.

One thing that people don't seem to disc...

Maybe the dems would have some credibility on this if they weren’t defending Bill up until last year when Hillary lost.