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Onvacation says

Now tell us why 8 inches of sea rise over 140 years is cataclysmic?

Obviously it's not or else we'd be in a cataclysm.

But there's obviously a trend line there that shows that sea levels are rising, and since a high % of the US population lives on either coast--that's a problem.

anon_08dee says

So what ? Nobody is saying that.

The Sea Level doesn't rise the sponge absorbs the liquid, and coastlines adjust. Also beach reclamation and sand poaching doesn't help endangered coastlines either.

Salt deposits are NOT ancient dry seabeds, they are what's left of the Ocean water after after it is heated up by geothermal pressures.

Onvacation says

#politics

That says it all. Why wouldn't it be #science?

Record cold temperatures are due to global warming-got it.

P N Dr Lo R says

Onvacation says

#politics

That says it all. Why wouldn't it be #science?

I know. Right?
Probably all the money.

anon_08dee says

They're simply saying many coastal areas that are a very small amount above sea level are going to be in trouble if ACC continues unabated.

So, why did these idiots build so close to the water line? Now they want EVERYONE else to bail them out? They must be Democrats.

Onvacation says

anon_08dee says

They're simply saying many coastal areas that are a very small amount above sea level are going to be in trouble if ACC continues unabated.

How much has the sea risen?

How much has the land receded?

Sniper says

8 inches over 140 years?? Ha HA Ha ha Ha Ha Ha

How in the fuck did they launch laser precise Geo survey satellites in the 1800's?

Tenpoundbass says

Sniper says

8 inches over 140 years?? Ha HA Ha ha Ha Ha Ha

How in the fuck did they launch laser precise Geo survey satellites in the 1800's?

I call bullshit that the sea level rose at all in the last 140 years. I use Fort Jefferson as undisputed truth. I keep asking the Global Alarmist why does the satellite imagery of Fort Jefferson match exactly the map from 1880 when it was built. It has the same foot print in the ocean. The whole island is no more than 12 inches above sea level.

Here's a picture from 1898 30 years after it was built.

and here's that same shot from recent times.

Oh my GOD Ya'll look! The actual sea level against the sea wall is the exact same height. but it looks like some sand was reclaimed in the updated recent image. Now we all know they didn't life the foundation of that Fort. They simply made a beach for easy tourist access.

If anything it looks like the sea level has dropped from the 1800's image.

Tenpoundbass says

If anything it looks like the sea level has dropped from the 1800's image.

What if it was the land that dropped and sank and NOT the sea rising?

As humans continue to inhabit coastal and naturally swampy areas, the need to drain surface and subsurface water can cause significant sinking of local land. Subsidence occurs when upper layers of ground shift downward to replace the empty space left after drainage. Many urban areas are subsiding due to withdrawal of ground water or other fluids.

https://www.cstars.miami.edu/cstars-research/subsidence

Tenpoundbass says

Oh my GOD Ya'll look! The actual sea level against the sea wall is the exact same height. but it looks like some sand was reclaimed in the updated recent image. Now we all know they didn't life the foundation of that Fort. They simply made a beach for easy tourist access.

Are you kidding me that you think you can tell the exact height of the water from those two pictures?

Not to mention--were these pictures taken during the same tidal conditions?

HappyGilmore says

Not to mention--were these pictures taken during the same tidal conditions?

Keep grasping you can see the tide line right there on the wall.

HappyGilmore says

Are you kidding me that you think you can tell the exact height of the water from those two pictures?

Yes look the lower windows, the hight of the seawall cap. The tide line there's tons of water level queues.

Tenpoundbass says

Yes look the lower windows, the hight of the seawall cap. The tide line there's tons of water level queues.

The lower windows have obviously changed. The height of them is much different.

HappyGilmore says

The lower windows have obviously changed. The height of them is much different.

Tenpoundbass says

grasping

Onvacation says

Tenpoundbass says

grasping

No, grasping is using two pictures to try to refute 100 years of tidal gauge measurement data.

Tidal guage measurement my ass. Tidal level compared to what the shifting sea floor, the slumping shoreline?
If the sea was rising simply putting dirt on the beach would push the tide back out to the original line. The water should sump over any sand you put on the beach and still reach the A1A in Fort Lauderdale when the Kingtide washed it away in 2012. But that's not what happened, the shore line is right back where it was before the King Tide.

BTW it's called King Tide because it happens several time during every Decade. I remember when I first moved to South Florida in 1986 they just completed replenishing Ft Laud and Dania beach. South beach had that squiggly seawall built many meters from the A1A.

HappyGilmore says

The lower windows have obviously changed. The height of them is much different.

No they haven't! They are the same windows. They were cleaned in the more recent photos the photo in 1898 had been vacant for about 20 years. It had not been turned into a tourist spot yet. So the moss and mold was growing on the red brick discoloring them.
If you click on the photo then zoom in you can see the window sill is discolored on the bottom.

Tenpoundbass says

No they haven't!

Yes, the windows at the top of the picture facing 180 degrees have obviously changed. The size and shape is clearly different even with respect to the other windows.


Tenpoundbass says

Tidal guage measurement my ass. Tidal level compared to what the shifting sea floor, the slumping shoreline?

Here is an explanation on tidal gauge measurements:

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/tide-gauge.html

HappyGilmore says

Here is an explanation on tidal gauge measurements:

Yes they are measuring water displacement at the shore. Silt and sediment be damned.

Tenpoundbass says

Yes they are measuring water displacement at the shore. Silt and sediment be damned.

It's not like they have a tape measure to the bottom. Silt and sediment are irrelevant to their measurement.

Well you can deny the Sea is not rising all you want from what ever land locked location you made that assesment from.
But I've been at the same 3 feet above sea level now for the last 30 years and every land mark with in a 300 mile radius that was even just inches above sea level are still exactly where they were then. So no sea rising. In fact two years ago for the first time since I came here in 1987, on July 4th. the beach front was a quarter mile out from where the shorline is supposed to be. I've been told that Hollywood Broadwalk was a mile further out at one time. But it was lost due to erosion not sea rising. The shoreline of all the tributaries are the same level since 1920's when they made and film the Jungle Queen. in the Fort Lauderdale inter coastal. The only thing that has changed the inter coastal waters used to be blue with white sand bottom. Now it's all murky brackish water and the bottom is covered in dead sediment.

We're almost at peak idiocracy...

HappyGilmore says

The lower windows have obviously changed. The height of them is much different.

Really?? Not on my computer?

Someone went in and changed all the brickwork 100 years later? Was that because of a higher $1T annual deficit?

HappyGilmore says

We're almost at peak idiocracy...

Nope, long past it on the Blue "TDS" team.

Sniper says

Really?? Not on my computer?

So you think this:



looks identical to this:



Look at the different sizes of the top vs. bottom windows in the two pictures. You really don't see a difference there? In the old picture, the top windows look smaller than the bottom. In the new picture, the bottom look much smaller than the top.

That's a hexagonal fort I think I have the wrong side and the wrong angle. The cameras in those days didn't take 12 megapixle images, in HD color.
here's the correct angle, looks like they keep repairing the facade. It's the same windws the B&W photo has moss and crud growing right click on the image and open in new tab, then zoom in on it.

The lower windows are still much smaller in the new picture than in the old picture. I imagine they did some masonry in the 100+ years between the two pictures.

HappyGilmore says

The lower windows are still much smaller in the new picture than in the old picture. I imagine they did some masonry in the 100+ years between the two pictures.

So do you believe the graph that you posted showing only 10 inches of sea level rise over the last 140 years?
How much do you think the sea has risen?

HappyGilmore says

Look at the different sizes of the top vs. bottom windows in the two pictures. You really don't see a difference there?

Oh wait. If you zoom in on the older pic you can see a bricklayer with a crooked arm!

Just teasing.

Onvacation says

So do you believe the graph that you posted showing only 10 inches of sea level rise over the last 140 years?
How much do you think the sea has risen?

OK--no more games. You asked for data and data was given.

If you have a point, make it.

anon_3b28c says

If you have a point, make it.

Is the point not obvious? I can spell it out for you:
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud.
I am attempting to educate the uninformed.
The sea has risen very little. 10 inches in a century and a half.

One question answered

Onvacation says

The sea has risen very little. 10 inches in a century and a half.

One question answered

There was no pollution 150 years ago. It's entirely possible most of the 10 inch increase happened very recently.
I don't see global warming as a serious problem though, because alternative energy and electric cars will soon arrive like an avalanche, and the problem will be solved.

Onvacation says

anon_3b28c says

If you have a point, make it.

Is the point not obvious? I can spell it out for you:
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud.
I am attempting to educate the uninformed.
The sea has risen very little. 10 inches in a century and a half.

One question answered

10 inches in a century and a half is very little? Seriously? What is the general trend? When did most of the increase occur? What qualifications do you possess and what research have you done that makes you more of an expert than the scientists actually doing that work?

Next questions:

Onvacation says

How much has the temp and sea level risen in the last hundred years?
How much did the temp rise between 2015 (2nd hottest year) and 2016 ( hottest year EVER)?
How can they measure such a small increase over the entire globe?
If the earth is warming why is the hottest temp ever recorded over a century old?
What is the ideal temp for human habitation?

Still waiting for answers to these important questions.

The answers point out the fraud of CAGW.

anon_b8f55 says

10 inches in a century and a half is very little? Seriously?

It hasn't risen nothign SERIOUSLY!!!

After a hurricane swell or king tide I've seen South Florida beaches several times. Carved a dead line drawn in the sand. Past that point the sand drops 90 degrees and it is a about a 8 foot fall. The next full moon high tide the tide goes only to the edge of the bottom. Meaning it is the sand pushed on the beach that makes sea levels. Otherwise the sea level would be 6 to 8 feet lower in most coastal beach towns. The Beach is an illusion the developers made. The reality is less consistent over the decades.

Tenpoundbass says

I call bullshit that the sea level rose at all in the last 140 years. I use Fort Jefferson as undisputed truth.

Let me get this straight. Tides cause a range in sea levels of about 24 inches, and you're going to use a couple photos to argue that sea level hasn't gone up by 8 inches ?

What kind of an ego does it take to think you can make a compelling argument refuting the experts, that wouldn't have already been made by thousands of people and fairly easily proven if true ?

Here's a piece of propaganda put out by one of them thar folks with their fancy pants book larnin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=dBs_K59K6GY

https://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm

Strategist says

There was no pollution 150 years ago.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/air-pollution-has-been-a-problem-since-the-days-of-ancient-rome-3950678/ Strategist says

I don't see global warming as a serious problem

Technology will save humanity!

marcus says

you're going to use a couple photos to argue that sea level hasn't gone up by 8 inches ?

10 inches.