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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 9:00am
Goran_K says
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
Here's the truth.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 9:00am
As usual, most are confused on the issue.
It’s not “equal opportunity” ye shall seek, but rather, the end of Political Privilege!
Like why in the fuck are Churches exempt from paying taxes? And this gives them great power and privilege which they in turn leverage into interfering in our politics. Which leads to their pathetic SJWs Virtue Signalling bad laws into the books.
Bad laws harm Good people, and we shouldn’t be forced to subsidize such anti-American behavior. It’s madness, and perplexing why more noise isn’t made of it. I guess when they’re constantly drowning people in propaganda, it causes such distraction that keeps the base harping on about Hillary and Liberals 24/7, rather than doing their duty as an American and standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
It’s not “equal opportunity” ye shall seek, but rather, the end of Political Privilege!
Like why in the fuck are Churches exempt from paying taxes? And this gives them great power and privilege which they in turn leverage into interfering in our politics. Which leads to their pathetic SJWs Virtue Signalling bad laws into the books.
Bad laws harm Good people, and we shouldn’t be forced to subsidize such anti-American behavior. It’s madness, and perplexing why more noise isn’t made of it. I guess when they’re constantly drowning people in propaganda, it causes such distraction that keeps the base harping on about Hillary and Liberals 24/7, rather than doing their duty as an American and standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 22, 10:03am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 22, 10:03am
What’s amazing is record low unemployment for black and brown. If the election were held today, more blacks would vote for Trump than any other Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. Yet lefties hate...HATE Trump.
Well done.
Well done.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 10:04am
CovfefeButDeadly says
Why would they vote for Trump now?
What’s amazing is record low unemployment for black and brown. If the election were held today, more blacks would vote for Trump than any other Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. Yet lefties hate...HATE Trump.
Well done.
Why would they vote for Trump now?
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 10:08am
Goran_K says
Here's the truth.Nailed it. It's depressing to see the Left look for any glimpse of victimization because being a victim is comforting, as opposed to accepting that you're just not any good or can't perform/compete against the next guy. It's classic skirting of accountability for one's life, actions, decisions and outcomes.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
That's funny, because Trump and his supporters have taken victimhood to a new level. Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.
If there is a bigger group of special snowflakes than Trump Supporters, I've yet to meet them.
It's depressing to see the Left look for any glimpse of victimization because being a victim is comforting, as opposed to accepting that you're just not any good or can't perform/compete against the next guy. It's classic skirting of accountability for one's life, actions, decisions and outcomes.
That's funny, because Trump and his supporters have taken victimhood to a new level. Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.
If there is a bigger group of special snowflakes than Trump Supporters, I've yet to meet them.
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zzyzzx
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
zzyzzx
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
errc says
At least some of them will recognize that they got their job because of Trump. Like when that Chicago bakery got 800 of it's workers deported, and they were replaced by blacks.
Why would they vote for Trump now?
At least some of them will recognize that they got their job because of Trump. Like when that Chicago bakery got 800 of it's workers deported, and they were replaced by blacks.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 10:31am
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 10:31am
Feux Follets says
The whole point is that the guy is black, and yes, some people would say scary-looking, but it has not impeded his progress in life.
Why does your friend have to have an "identifier" - why can't your friend just be your "friend" ? Is it necessary for everyone to assign "identifiers" ?
Does your friend assign an "identifier" to you when talking about you or introducing you to others ?
Seems the world would be much better off by stating simply I have a friend. Should further conversation proceed, at an appropriate time it would possibly be appropriate to include such "friend" has done well with his or her investments.
Patrick saysHe's kind of scary looking at first glance, like 6'5" and muscular
Is this a thinly veiled reference to scary "black people" ?
The whole point is that the guy is black, and yes, some people would say scary-looking, but it has not impeded his progress in life.
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Bd6r
2018 Mar 22, 10:52am
Bd6r
2018 Mar 22, 10:52am
errc says
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
I’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
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NuttBoxer
2018 Mar 22, 11:23am
NuttBoxer
2018 Mar 22, 11:23am
Anything the state propaganda factory hypes to death is certainly bullshit. My friend Curtis has a BS in electrical engineering, is an avid football fan, and one of the dorkiest guys I know, in a good way. He works in SW QA, has owned the same car ever since I met him, and lived in the same apartment forever, so his money and time are both well spent. No kids, girlfriend, grew up in South East San Diego. Ethnicity had dick to do who he is, or his success.
When it comes to conversations about that ethnic disparity, a white friend of mine is the one who brings up that stuff the most often. He's also the one who prefers rap, and wants to seem cooler than he is. People who obsesses about ethnicity and "race", are either racists, or self-loathers.
When it comes to conversations about that ethnic disparity, a white friend of mine is the one who brings up that stuff the most often. He's also the one who prefers rap, and wants to seem cooler than he is. People who obsesses about ethnicity and "race", are either racists, or self-loathers.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 12:25pm
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 12:25pm
drB6 says
Lol, yes, there is definitely discrimination against whites and Asians in college and grad school admissions.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
errc saysI’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
Lol, yes, there is definitely discrimination against whites and Asians in college and grad school admissions.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 12:26pm
HappyGilmore says
Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.Cuz it's true lol
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 1:06pm
Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 1:06pm
HappyGilmore says
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 1:51pm
Goran_K says
lol--obviously haven't read any of the links that were provided. I figured as much.
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
lol--obviously haven't read any of the links that were provided. I figured as much.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 3:02pm
Equal rights, not equal outcomes. Minorities and women have had the same rights as White Men for decades. There will always be good looking men who will get more pussy (without paying for it) than any of us combined. That's not fair...shall we scar up their face to make things more equal?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:22pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:22pm
HappyGilmore says
Equal opportunity is a tyrrsnical fever dream. Equal rights and representation under the law is the goal.
Currently, conservatives, men, whites, and asians are being oppressed. Are you ok w this?
The US should be a place where everyone has equal opportunity.
Equal opportunity is a tyrrsnical fever dream. Equal rights and representation under the law is the goal.
Currently, conservatives, men, whites, and asians are being oppressed. Are you ok w this?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:25pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:25pm
Patrick says
As they should. Any idea what happened?
Limiting Asian acceptance to universities is racist as fuk. Just terrible.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
As they should. Any idea what happened?
Limiting Asian acceptance to universities is racist as fuk. Just terrible.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 3:29pm
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 3:29pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
Equal rights, not equal outcomes.
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 3:40pm
Patrick says
This won’t be possible so long as The Church demands to interject in America’s Secular, Liberal way of life
PrivilegedtobeWhite saysEqual rights, not equal outcomes.
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
This won’t be possible so long as The Church demands to interject in America’s Secular, Liberal way of life
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Shaman
2018 Mar 22, 4:24pm
Shaman
2018 Mar 22, 4:24pm
Equal opportunity is a laudable goal, but it’s unattainable. Even should all bias be removed as to culture or ethnicity (and I do think this is another laudable goal), the accident of birth will put people with the same ability into households of differing wealth and more or less effective culture. Of the two, culture might be the more defining. A poor person raised with good work ethic will likely succeed to a moderate to large level. While a rich person raised poorly with a poor work ethic is probably doomed to failure, addiction, and eventual poverty.
@patrick Your rich black friend mentioned that he credits a lot of his success to his dad and his family. That’s another data point pointing out that success is more likely with a good family culture.
@patrick Your rich black friend mentioned that he credits a lot of his success to his dad and his family. That’s another data point pointing out that success is more likely with a good family culture.
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mell
2018 Mar 22, 6:13pm
Feux Follets says
Yes and it has nothing to do with race.
Quigley saysEqual opportunity is a laudable goal, but it’s unattainable.
Well said. There may be laws that state equal rights etc. however reality does not always play by the rules.
Yes and it has nothing to do with race.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 23, 5:42am
CBOEtrader says
Nobody is arguing for equal results. Why would you even post this?
www.youtube.com/embed/cQNaT52QYYA
Blind pursuit of equality is tyranny
Nobody is arguing for equal results. Why would you even post this?
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 23, 7:13am
Sniper says
Yep. And he doesn't argue for equal results.
Sorry to burst your strawman bubble.
Really? Didn't you vote for Bernie?
Yep. And he doesn't argue for equal results.
Sorry to burst your strawman bubble.
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HowdyThere
2018 Mar 23, 7:42pm
Racism is nonsense. Those who cling to it, whether they're white supremacists or BLM, are out of touch. Culture is what really matters. The most positive aspects of Western culture, the hard work, embracing scientific curiosity, flexible thinking, respect for individual rights, etc. tend to lead to success. There's no guarantee of success, faced with the corruption and abuse of power that reflects the worst of Western culture. Based on the limited info provided by Patrick, it sounds like his friend has done well embracing the positives.
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WatermelonUniversity
2018 Mar 23, 10:03pm
WatermelonUniversity
2018 Mar 23, 10:03pm
anyone working with blacks or living in a black neighborhood knows exactly why blacks are lagging behind everyone else.
they are dumb and lazy. but the worse part about blacks are their animal behaviors. they lack the mental capacity to control their primitive urges.
maybe they face more racism than other minority groups, but they should ask themselves WHY? maybe if they learned to behave like humans...
you think IQ is learned? how do you explain Eskimos living in the middle of nowhere having IQ of 90+ while some groups in Africa having IQ in the 60s?
blacks need to accept that they can only do low end work and be grateful to whites for they are not starving in Africa.
they are dumb and lazy. but the worse part about blacks are their animal behaviors. they lack the mental capacity to control their primitive urges.
maybe they face more racism than other minority groups, but they should ask themselves WHY? maybe if they learned to behave like humans...
you think IQ is learned? how do you explain Eskimos living in the middle of nowhere having IQ of 90+ while some groups in Africa having IQ in the 60s?
blacks need to accept that they can only do low end work and be grateful to whites for they are not starving in Africa.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 24, 7:15pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 24, 7:15pm
HappyGilmore says
Great, then you agree that unequal outcomes is perfectly acceptable. For example, I'm glad you agree the income variations between sexes and races is perfectly acceptable in a liberal society.
Since you agree w the above I'm sure you agree that affirmative action is terrible for everyone and should end, whether on our college campuses, or in any employment arena.
Nobody is arguing for equal results.
Great, then you agree that unequal outcomes is perfectly acceptable. For example, I'm glad you agree the income variations between sexes and races is perfectly acceptable in a liberal society.
Since you agree w the above I'm sure you agree that affirmative action is terrible for everyone and should end, whether on our college campuses, or in any employment arena.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 24, 9:22pm
CBOEtrader says
Of course. Like I said earlier--one's success should be determined by their abilities and effort.
CBOEtrader says
Possibly. It depends on the reason for the disparity.
CBOEtrader says
Maybe. Affirmative action exists to try to get the US closer to a country with equal opportunities. If it's shown that it is no longer needed and minorities are given the same opportunities as whites, then I'd say it should end.
Great, then you agree that unequal outcomes is perfectly acceptable
Of course. Like I said earlier--one's success should be determined by their abilities and effort.
CBOEtrader says
For example, I'm glad you agree the income variations between sexes and races is perfectly acceptable in a liberal society.
Possibly. It depends on the reason for the disparity.
CBOEtrader says
Since you agree w the above I'm sure you agree that affirmative action is terrible for everyone and should end, whether on our college campuses, or in any employment arena.
Maybe. Affirmative action exists to try to get the US closer to a country with equal opportunities. If it's shown that it is no longer needed and minorities are given the same opportunities as whites, then I'd say it should end.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 24, 9:58pm
Can you prove that equal rights do not exist? Affirmative Action should’ve been eliminated from the beginning.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 24, 10:15pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 24, 10:15pm
HappyGilmore says
You can't prove this. This is why you need to listen to doctor haidt.
You can however prove that all people have the same rights (except for whites, men, and conservatives who are currently fighting systemic oppression) and that less qualified women and minorities consistently take opportunities from more qualified candidates.
How about we try treating everyone the same? Ya know, embrace actual liberal values
If it's shown that it is no longer needed and minorities are given the same opportunities
You can't prove this. This is why you need to listen to doctor haidt.
You can however prove that all people have the same rights (except for whites, men, and conservatives who are currently fighting systemic oppression) and that less qualified women and minorities consistently take opportunities from more qualified candidates.
How about we try treating everyone the same? Ya know, embrace actual liberal values
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anonymous
2018 Mar 25, 7:15am
A great myth that the Left believes is that all races and genders have the same abilities and should have the same opportunity to be successful. Blacks, in general, may not be as built or tuned to have software engineer jobs for example, but they sure as hell dominate the NFL and NBA. The same goes for women and STEM...maybe they just don't have a desire to be in technical fields because their brains or personalities aren't drawn to it. Genders and races are NOT the same, so don't expect the same outcomes.
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Shaman
2018 Mar 25, 7:26am
Shaman
2018 Mar 25, 7:26am
I hardly see any black kids playing baseball in my son’s little league. Maybe one or two in five hundred. But I feel that’s because Baseball is a sport where you need a dad to practice with you so you get better. Again, it’s back to family culture.
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He's kind of scary looking at first glance, like 6'5" and muscular, but that's just appearance. He's actually very pleasant to talk to, which you quickly figure out if you chat with him.
So I asked him if discrimination had been any significant impediment to his self-achieved success, and he doesn't seem to have an answer for that. Clearly it didn't stop him. My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
Dude, if you're reading this, very happy to get your perspective too.