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anon_d0bb5 says

biased liberal media couldn't push the old hag across the finish line

She was a bad candidate, but the biased media wrote more sentences that were negative of Clinton than they did of Trump. The bias is only there if you ignore Trump's faults and believe all of the conspiracy theories about Clinton.

This is a disingenuous question.
Clinton In politics 40 years.
Trump 1/5 of that.
If you just count from 2015 onward Trump has the overwhelmingly negative disadvantage.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

She was a bad candidate, but the biased media wrote more sentences that were negative of Clinton than they did of Trump

Just a heads up if you quit jackin off while typing your CAPS key won't stick like that...

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Ah yes. Only poor people can rightly point out that inequality kills an economy. If a non-poor person wants to tax himself more, that's somehow hypocritical.

Quigley says

This was a lie.

Because you say so ?

As to the question of whether there was direct collusion between Trump and the Russians to get him elected, the last word should go to Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House intelligence committee, and the public official who probably has the deepest and widest understanding of this scandal. On CNN Schiff recently declared: “We do know this. The Russians offered help. The campaign accepted help. The Russians gave help, and the president made full use of that help. And that is pretty damning whether it is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a conspiracy or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/dec/14/collusion-how-russia-helped-trump-win-the-white-house-by-luke-harding-review
I guess the more you deny that it could be true, the more indignant you can be about the truth when it comes out.

Quigley says

A new poll released this week by CBS News found that 92% of Democrats believe Trump advisors had improper dealings with Russia.”

Apparently a lot of key republicans think so too. Otherwise why the big efforts to stop Mueller ?

Liberals typify a toxic blend of laziness and group-think that are all too common today – a hot mess of hashtags and intolerance that deepen the chasm currently dividing our country.

anon_08dee says

Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House intelligence committee, and the public official who probably has the deepest and widest understanding of this scandal. On CNN Schiff recently declared: “We do know this. The Russians offered help. The campaign accepted help. The Russians gave help, and the president made full use of that help. And that is pretty damning whether it is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a conspiracy or not.

So a top Democrat with subtle hints of “secret knowledge” says collusion happened. If it did, and he actually knows about it, why isn’t he helping Mueller? Why hasn’t Trump been impeached?

Oh right, because he’s a liar and just using his exalted position to lend weight to his lies.

republicans are just as stupid. apologists and attack dogs for the rich hoping they'll be rich one day but no chance. they are too dumb.

the average of either party are equally stupid and heavily manipulated.

They have visions of free shit that dance like sugar plums in their brains. Makes them pliable to all manner of unjustified resentments and righteousness.

Hillary Election Campaign Reunion

I think you are wrong about the other 8%.

Five months later and this post is even more true. Now Trump’s lawyer has what Mueller has, and said it’s not only nothing, but it’s proving To be exculpatory! And Leftists everywhere are losing their shit, doubling down on conspiracy. The price of tin foil is going through the roof!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/giuliani-on-mueller-report-trump-team-is-ready-to-rip-it-apart.html

Quigley says

“The liberal mainstream media has pushed the conspiracy that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia during the 2016 election to defeat Hillary Clinton.

This was a lie.

Actually that's a lie.

The investigation was only becasue of the possibility that the Trump campaign colluded with Russians, based on the fact that Russians were involved in bombing key social media markets with anti Hillary fake news, and the Manafort connection and Trump Jr meetings with Russians in which information was offered on Hillary, and probably other reasons that the FBI had suspicions.

It was always an investigation. I don't know of anyone that claimed Trump committed treason. I guess many of us are guilty of thinking that based on what we know of Trump, it seems TOTALLY like something he would do given the chance. He loves Putin for some reason. So we believed that he might have, and that it should be investigated, based on facts. But even still, all we did was believe that there was reason to investigate whether he did collude with the Russians.

How is this a lie ? Even in your bubble world, I don't get how this is a lie.Oh yeah. I forgot. Republicans live in a world filled with lies and don't actually know what the word "truth" means.

marcus says

Actually that's a lie.

So the MSM doesn't think Trump colluded with Russia? Haha, ok.

marcus says

the fact that Russians were involved in bombing key social media markets with anti Hillary fake news

You are forgetting the anti trump fake news they also put out there AND the fact that these people haven't been connected to Russian government. The idea that these people influenced the election is fake news.

The assertion that the Trump campaign collided with russia to get Trump elected was a lie, a fabrication, a fiction created out of whole cloth by the Hillary campaign, the DNC, and a whole fuckload of NeverTrumpers which took on a life of its own and eventually became a quasi-religion. Mueller was the high priest and released sanctifying subpoenas to appease the masses of whining Leftists. It was all very sad and frustrating for those of us who hadn’t lost our damn minds.

CBOEtrader says

You are forgetting the anti trump fake news they also put out there

No I'm not. I was referring to A COMBINATION OF FACTORS.

marcus says

based on the fact that Russians were involved in bombing key social media markets with anti Hillary fake news, and the Manafort connection and Trump Jr meetings with Russians in which information was offered on Hillary, and probably other reasons that the FBI had suspicions.

It was the combination of these things, further combined with things that Trump himself has said and done over the years, that made it something that needed to be investigated.

CBOEtrader says

So the MSM doesn't think Trump colluded with Russia?

That is correct. The MSM believes that Russian involvement (influence) in the election is being investigated, including and investigation of possible involvement of Trumps campaign.

Quigley says

The assertion that the Trump campaign collided with russia to get Trump elected was a lie, a fabrication, a fiction created out of whole cloth by the Hillary campaign, the DNC, and a whole fuckload of NeverTrumpers which took on a life of its own and eventually became a quasi-religion. Mueller was the high priest and released sanctifying subpoenas to appease the masses of whining Leftists. It was all very sad and frustrating for those of us who hadn’t lost our damn minds.

lol pretty much.

mell says

It was all very sad and frustrating for those of us who hadn’t lost our damn minds.

You mean those watching Brietbart, Infowars, Rush Limbaugh and listening to talk radio ? Those are exactly the folks that did lose their damn minds, long ago.

Proof: The outright and total inability to distinguish between outright lies and fantasies versus facts and reality.

I can respect the republicans I know that voted for Trump while acknowledging that they dislike him and see him as the most dishonest public figure ever. They just voted for him because of supreme court or because they buy a lot of the Hillary propaganda.

But that's not the point of view of most of the right winger Brietbart reading Trump cucks around here.

Whenever I read stuff like this I always have to ask myself if those who post such things ever really sit back and look at the big picture.

So the reality today, as we speak, is that we have a man in office who:

-in fact is under several investigations, and not just the Russian thing. He's fully admitted to paying off a porn star.
-He's got a lawyer who is in hot water.
-His son met with a foreign power to dig up dirt on another candidate.
-He blames literally everyone and everything for anything he gets caught saying or doing, going after the press- ALL of the press- if they do something like post his actual tweets. -He attacks other people- even members of his own staff- all the time.
-He fires people who don't agree with him.
-He holds great big rallies and when he's not doing that he's probably playing golf at a resort and even charges the secret service to use the golf carts.
-At this point has broken all 10 of the 10 commandments, a few of them several times.

I could go on here but strip away party affiliation and we have a person who outright abuses his power and goes against even the most basic of our democratic freedoms. Perhaps in another time or period of history in this country people from BOTH sides of the isle would've rejected this kind of behavior. I can tell folks here for fact that my 97 year old grandmother, who's husband fought in WW2- a women who ALWAYS voted for the Republican despises Trump. She lived through a period of time where people in this country rejected the very sort of behavior Trump exhibits.

What I see from his supporters is denial. A LOT of denial. Denial that they in fact elected a person who in actuality goes against their own principles and furthermore, they've doubled down on this support. The worse he behaves, the more damning the growing evidence of his wrongdoing reveals itself, the more obvious it becomes to everyone that he's just a cheap snakeoil salesman the more blindly devoted and defensive they become.

We're living in very strange times in this country. We are on the cusp of a massive demographic shift. This shift will change the balance of power. Whenever there is a change like this those whom had the power of course will likely become more defensive. I suspect Trump and his seemingly un-phased supporters know this deep down inside.

At the end of the day Trump and his supporters won't accomplish much of anything other than to put a dark stain in the history books for tommorow's children to read. The country will continue to evolve, progress and move forward regardless of whatever Trump does. All that he does will be reversed with the next admin. Trump is simply a temporary road block but even so, on a very minor scale.

Lastly... yell, shout, and berate till the cows come home. Don't like the 3 ring circus? Vote. That's right, vote. Only 40% of the country supports Trump. The 60% of us who don't have a job to do and now more than ever that duty to country is crucial if we want to change the story.

marcus says

Proof: The outright and total inability to distinguish between outright lies and fantasies versus facts and reality.

Clearly English is not your thing. This is neither a proof, nor even a sentence! In fact, I suspect we all are a little dumber for having read it.

There we go again. The Republicans have truly fooled people into thinking they actually care. Look at the last tax reform. It only helped the rich.

mell says

It was all very sad and frustrating for those of us who hadn’t lost our damn minds.

edvard says

today, as we speak, is that we have a man in office who:
-in fact is under several investigations, and not just the Russian thing. He's fully admitted to paying off a porn star.
-He's got a lawyer who is in hot water.
-His son met with a foreign power to dig up dirt on another candidate.
-He blames literally everyone and everything for anything he gets caught saying or doing, going after the press- ALL of the press- if they do something like post his actual tweets. -He attacks other people- even members of his own staff- all the time.
-He fires people who don't agree with him.
-He holds great big rallies and when he's not doing that he's probably playing golf at a resort and even charges the secret service to use the golf carts.
-At this point has broken all 10 of the 10 commandments, a few of them several times.

I could go on here but strip away party affiliation and we have a person who outright abuses his power and goes against even the most basic of our democratic freedoms. Perhaps in another time or period of history in this country people from BOTH sides of the isle would've rejected this kind of behavior. I can tell folks here for fact that my 97 year old grandmother, who's husband fought in WW2- a women who ALWAYS voted for the Republican despises Trump. She lived through a period of time where people in this country rejected the very sort of behavior Trump exhibits.

What I see from his supporters is denial. A LOT of denial. Denial that they in fact elected a person who in actuality goes against their own principles and furthermore, they've doubled down on this support. The worse he behaves, the more damning the growing evidence of his wrongdoing reveals itself, the more obvious it becomes to everyone that he's just a cheap snakeoil salesman the more blindly devoted and defensive they become.

Edvard sums it up very well, and Mell is right, it is sad.

Any minute now

marcus says

a man in office who:
-in fact is under several investigations

Not true. Mueller's investigation has specifically stated that Trump is not a target of the investigation. Obama's admin is now officially under investigation for spying on Trump's campaign though, AND HRC is still under espionage investigation for her email/Weiner blunders.

marcus says

-He's got a lawyer who is in hot water.

Yup. That dude is a slimeball. Trump however, is still not under investigation in any way.

marcus says

-His son met with a foreign power to dig up dirt on another candidate.

This is not a crime and nothing occurred after the meeting. Obama's admin and HRC otoh hired and paid for foreign spies to literally dig up dirt on Trump... somehow the TDS afflicted don't see the hypocrisy in their Trump Jr indictment.

The rest of the list is pure garbage.

Look I get it. Trump's personality leaves plenty to be desired. So what? I dont care how a president tweets. I want a president who respects the republic and puts america first. Trump so far is the POTUS who has done the best job, IMHO.

Posts like this just reinforce the showing of a nation in turmoil. Most all politicians are crooks, get used to it. Corruption in politics is rampant worldwide. For instance U.S. politicians finally openly admitted it's pay to play, may as well get people used to the fact.

A good example of a low rate of corruption is Norway. They setup a sovereign wealth fund with 250 million dollars in 1996, it's worth a trillion today.

https://www.transparency.org/country/USA