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They went along with anti American ghetto riots for too long.

Even now... can stay in locker room if you hate America. What a policy...

Tenpoundbass says

The NFL is dead they are trying to salvage the brand but it will never happen.
They should have stayed with the All American Boy next door image.

Feux Follets says

Back to basics - what is the purpose of playing the anthem before sports games, races etc. ?

A salute to the countless amounts of money granted to NFL Stadiums and Owners and the Monopoly Protection by acknowledging their patron, the US Taxpayer.

Requiring the Pledge of Allegiance or Playing the Anthem should be required of any organization, institution, or grant recipient receiving more than $1000/year from the Federal Government.

Feux Follets says

Going to guess that's a MAGA hat by the color

It's funny how leftist are fine with conservatives being kicked off Twitter/Facebook/Youtube "because it's a private business", then totally do a 180 when it comes to the kneeling issue in the NFL.

Feux Follets says

Don't think so, try looking up the history of the anthem and forced patriotism.

Know all about it. A shared national myth is vital. Those who loathe the nation and hope to destroy it hate this small but valuable token of unity.

Feux Follets says

There would not be an "issue" if the people kneeling were white would there ?

What the fuck?

You're kidding right?

Goran_K says

It's funny how leftist are fine with conservatives being kicked off Twitter/Facebook/Youtube "because it's a private business", then totally do a 180 when it comes to the kneeling issue in the NFL.

Millionaires on TV in a heavily subsidized industry: DONT YOU FORCE THEM TO STAND FOR THE FLAG!
Ordinary Americans on Social Media: FORCE THEM TO SHUT UP!

Feux Follets says

Were the Zoot Suit Riots in Los Angeles during the war Anti-American ?

Were the riots and demonstrations (sit down strikes etc.) at GM during the late 1930s Anti-American ?

Going to guess the Mother of all Anti-American riots was the Civil Rights Movement followed only by the Women’s Suffrage Movement and the Vietnam War Protestors who didn't support our troops ? Yes ? Close ? I think it's pretty close.

Unrelated. Just because the word protest is in both, doesn't mean they are all same thing. Your life pattern recognition is not accurate this time.

How many of these so-called "kneelers" are crypto Muslim? How many of them are actually women? Jus askin.

Goran_K says

It's funny how leftist are fine with conservatives being kicked off Twitter/Facebook/Youtube "because it's a private business", then totally do a 180 when it comes to the kneeling issue in the NFL.

Actually I think it's funny when Trumpkins whine about Facebook but have no problem with the NFL.

Goran_K says

Guess NFL owners finally realized that millionaire black guys complaining about oppression wasn't the marketing victory the Democrats claimed it would be.

I think it's funny that you feel the need to mention race and income in that statement. Why is that?? Why do you feel it's important to note a protestors race? Or income level?
Does one have to be poor to exercise one's right to free speech? I thought Trumpkins hated identity politics. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You're an Independent. lol.

Feux Follets says

What's even more disrespectful than the act of kneeling is the decision to punish those who kneel. We are a nation of many stripes and colors. Our opinions and beliefs are varied, and our tolerance of those differences forms the bedrock of our identity as Americans.

Democrats: Twitter and Facebook, as private entities, should be free to censor, shadowban, and eliminate ordinary people's User accounts of unpopular speech.
Also Democrats: The NFL and their franchises, as private entities, has no business requiring their paid employees on company time to stand for the flag or stay in the locker room.

Generally agree that NFL is a private corporation and, like most employers, they can set standards of what can be done/not done in the "business setting". This doesn't prevent Kap from speaking out etc on his own outside of the business of playing football... That said, I personally have no problem with players kneeling. I don't see it as disrespectful like burning the flag or spewing "I hate america" comments. Still, do you really believe that your company would let you politicize the environment with its clients, and so on? Certainly not - unless your work is decidedly political (such as an NGO pushing a politically based agenda).

We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwise.

As a fan of Kap as a football player, it is disappointing he is not getting an opportunity. Again, if you pissed off your clients in a business setting by politicizing the work environment, and that was known, would you expect to be hired by another company in the same business? Truly, I don't know if he not getting the opportunity to play because of his political stance or simply because his $ demands are high and his performance is low for that $ value.

And as we have seen with Ruben Foster, I take most claims of abuse by women in these high profile relationships with a grain of salt (referring to JM vs Kap). Most of it is exaggerated so they can get money/support. That the DA actually went forward with this case and had a strong rebuke by the judge was weird. Most athletes just try and settle because they don't have the evidence to back them. Ruben was very lucky.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Democrats: Twitter and Facebook, as private entities, should be free to censor, shadowban, and eliminate ordinary people's User accounts of unpopular speech.
Also Democrats: The NFL and their franchises, as private entities, has no business requiring their paid employees on company time to stand for the flag or stay in the locker room.

Actually it's Trump and his followers that are the hypocrites. As usual. Just take your statement and reverse it and it's EXACTLY what you and other Trump supporters have been saying for months.

Not really. Since one group are Employees on Company Time, and the other group are ordinary people using a service.

krc says

We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

What issue would that be?

Feux Follets says

Goran_K says

You're kidding right?

Not in the least.

Goran here is a problem with out liberal friends, they really believe the silly things they say.

CovfefeButDeadly says

What issue would that be?

The horrible oppression of 6 figure+ ball players, that people spit in cop's faces and get away with it, and that everybody is trying to storm into the USA for the AmeriKKKan Nazi Abuse quality of life.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Not really. Since one group are Employees on Company Time, and the other group are ordinary people using a service.

Interesting. Please expand on that--how is what the NFL doing different than what Google did to James Damore?

Is it not OK for companies to have the right to sell to whom they please (as long as it doesn't infringe on discrimination laws?)

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

The horrible oppression of 6 figure+ ball players, that people spit in cop's faces and get away with it, and that everybody is trying to storm into the USA for the AmeriKKKan Nazi Abuse quality of life.

And again one feels the need to bring up the wealth of the protesters. Remind me why that's important? Does free speech only apply to poor folks?

If so, when do we start limiting campaign contributions of Adelson?

jazz_music says

Look at everything they advertise on TV, is ANY OF IT worth having? .....My God, did you see what poisons are going into McDonalds fries?

Haven't watched TV since 2007-sh. Haven't eaten in Mickey D's since 1998.

Any advise I could actually use?

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

Just remember, when Tim Tebow prayed, it caused Left Wing outrage

"How DARE you mix religion with the national pasttime!"

As a result the NFL announced it would punish religious displays on the field with fines/suspension.

Then a Muslim player did it, after the rules were changed, but the NFL bowed to Left Wing Outage and didn't pursue Penalties.

Now the Left Wing's attitude can be summed up as:

"Ban Non-Islamic Religious Sentiment displayed on the field, but allow extremist, divisive Political sentiment. But definitely no prayers to Jesus!"

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Just remember, when Tim Tebow prayed, it caused Left Wing outrage

"How DARE you mix religion with the national pasttime!"

lol--where do you come up with this stuff? It's all strawmen arguments, all the time.

Here's what actually happened:

"When Chiefs safety Husain Abdullah picked off Tom Brady and returned it for a touchdown, he said a quick prayer.
But unlike Tim Tebow doing the same thing when he got to the end zone , Abdullah was flagged."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/30/muslim-husain-abdullah-flagged-for-praying-in-the-end-zone/

The NFL later said it was wrong to penalize him for praying, just like it doesn't penalize Christian players for praying or praising God after scoring.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Just remember, when Tim Tebow prayed, it caused Left Wing outrage

"How DARE you mix religion with the national pasttime!"

As a result the NFL announced it would punish religious displays on the field with fines/suspension.

Then a Muslim player did it, after the rules were changed, but the NFL bowed to Left Wing Outage and didn't pursue Penalties.

Now the Left Wing's attitude can be summed up as:

"Ban Non-Islamic Religious Sentiment displayed on the field, but allow extremist, divisive Political sentiment. But definitely no prayers to Jesus!"

Liberals tend to forget this one conveniently...

Inconvenient Truth strikes back

LeonDurham says

"When Chiefs safety Husain Abdullah picked off Tom Brady and returned it for a touchdown, he said a quick prayer.
But unlike Tim Tebow doing the same thing when he got to the end zone, Abdullah was flagged."

This isn't hard to follow. Let me try again:

There wasn't any regulation until AFTER Tebow, when the NFL put in rules on religious expression on the field.

It was Left Wing criticism of "Mixing Religion with the National Pasttime" over Tebow that got the NFL to do that.

When Abdullah did so AFTER the new rules were in place, Lefties whinged "Muh Islam!" when the NFL imposed the penalties.

But let a Hard Left Castro Supporting player disrespect the Flag of the Taxpayers who Subsidize the Sport, and the Left has a shit fit.

So, yes, the Left are hypocrites.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

There wasn't any regulation until AFTER Tebow, when the NFL put in rules on religious expression on the field.

Except religious celebrations were allowed so that pretty much kills your narrative. Tebow wasn't penalized as I posted earlier.

Seriously--did you read the article? Tebow WASN'T penalized after the rules were in place. Abdullah WAS. Some Muslims (not "the left") asked why the double standard and the NFL agreed and allowed praying just like it allowed Tebow's celebration.

So, the only hypocrites are Trump supporters. Again.

FortWayne says

Liberals tend to forget this one conveniently...

Inconvenient Truth strikes back

No, Liberals know fact from fiction.

Trump supporters never do.

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

Liberals tend to forget this one conveniently...

Inconvenient Truth strikes back

No, Liberals know fact from fiction.

Trump supporters never do.

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

CovfefeButDeadly says

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

lol--which "fact" do you suppose krc is getting wrong.

LeonDurham says

Except religious celebrations were allowed so that pretty much kills your narrative. Tebow wasn't penalized as I posted earlier.

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Because of the "Don't mix religion and National Pasttime" complaints from the Left. Like this one:
https://deadspin.com/5861845/a-guide-to-determining-your-stance-on-tim-tebow

THEN, that is AFTER The NFL strengthened enforcement on end-zone "celebrations" were in place, THEN Abdullah did his Muslim thing. When the Refs went to apply the new more stringent rule for the first time, the same people who bitched about Tebow's kneeling, screamed "Muh Islam!" over Abdullah, and the NFL refused to back the Refs.

And then, of course, the same Left that wanted Tebow to stop his kneeling for Jesus, fought for Kopernick's kneeling for Castro.

NCAA banned Eyeblack Messages in 2010 because players began putting bible verses on them that triggered Leftists.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/346014-tim-tebow-rule-the-ncaa-bans-eye-black-messages

Nobody complains about the NBA rules that require players to line up for the national anthem, each and every dame game, no exceptions, no hiding in the locker room.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Except the restrictions WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED TEBOW

Your entire premise is bullshit. It's all BS.

The only player to get penalized for a religious celebration was Muslim. You have it exactly backwards.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

THEN, that is AFTER The NFL strengthened enforcement on end-zone "celebrations" were in place, THEN Abdullah did his Muslim thing. When the Refs went to apply the new more stringent rule for the first time, the same people who bitched about Tebow's kneeling, screamed "Muh Islam!" over Abdullah, and the NFL refused to back the Refs.

Seriously read up on the rules. You are completely wrong on this.

Like spectacularly wrong.

The rule says nothing about religion. Guys get penalized for pretending to do jump shots. Or snow angels.

Praying is now and has always been allowed.

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Except the restrictions WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED TEBOW

Your entire premise is bullshit. It's all BS.

The only player to get penalized for a religious celebration was Muslim. You have it exactly backwards.

Wrong. The regulation was updated BECAUSE of Tebow, to limit to a few seconds (3?) any demonstrations in the end zone.

And the eyeblack ban was definitely in response to biblical message

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Wrong. The regulation was updated BECAUSE of Tebow, to limit to a few seconds (3?) any demonstrations in the end zone.

And the eyeblack ban was definitely in response to biblical message

Nope. You are wrong. Please show any source to support the NFL change had anything to do with Tebow or religion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-cracking-down-on-choreographed-celebrations-2016-9
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/the-dos-and-donts-of-nfl-celebrations/

from the 2nd article:

Here’s what’s allowed: (1) dancing that is not sexually suggestive; (2) celebrations with teammates that are not choreographed; (3) spiking the ball, as long as it’s not directed at an opponent; (4) spinning the ball, as long as it’s not directed to an opponent; (5) bowing to the crowd; (6) saluting; ) going to the ground in prayer; (8) the “Lambeau Leap”; and (9) handing the ball to the official.

Here's an article from 2013 detailing the changes. There is absolutely no reference to Tebow or religion at all:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/nfl-clarifies-celebration-rules-for-2013/

The NFL did the right thing and the players should be happy they can stay in the hallway/lockers for the anthem. Fucking media whore hypocrites now running running around whining "oh it's like denying Martin Luther King the passage over the bridge he was crossing during his protest yada yada". This has exactly zero to do with MLK and is actually an insult to MLK. MLK didn't get paid millions of dollars by his employer to do work (play football), he was protesting racial injustice in his free time, in fact he made it his mission and is rightfully remembered for his cause. The NFL players are free to do so as well, but not during the games when working for their employer. Don't care much about the NFL but it's only logical they don't get signed. They should shove their phony lawsuits up their asses.

LeonDurham says

Nope. You are wrong. Please show any source to support the NFL change had anything to do with Tebow or religion.

You think the NFL is gonna come out and say "We changed the rules to stop future Christians from giving thanks to Jesus in the endzone"

Hell No.

So they toughened the rules on "Pre Planned Celebrations".
mell says

The NFL did the right thing and the players should be happy they can stay in the hallway/lockers for the anthem. Fucking media whore hypocrites now running running around whining "oh it's like denying Martin Luther King the passage over the bridge he was crossing during his protest yada yada". This has exactly zero to do with MLK and is actually an insult to MLK. MLK didn't get paid millions of dollars by his employer to do work (play football), he was protesting racial injustice in his free time, in fact he made it his mission and is rightfully remembered for his cause. The NFL players are free to do so as well, but not during the games when working for their employer. Don't care much about the NFL but it's only logical they don't get signed. They should shove their phony lawsuits up their asses.

Exactly. The same exact people whinging about John 6:14 eyeblack and Trebow's prayers and demanding NFL action to "de-religionize" Football are the exact same people saying disrespecting the anthem is nothing and that Millionaire Players' expressing fringe political beliefs on Company Time is sacred.

LeonDurham says

CovfefeButDeadly says

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

lol--which "fact" do you suppose krc is getting wrong.

There is no facts offered! Which is why you put the word fact in quotations I suppose.

Feux Follets says

There would not be an "issue" if the people kneeling were white would there ?

Of course there would be.

BayArea says

Feux Follets says

There would not be an "issue" if the people kneeling were white would there ?

Of course there would be.

Interesting, as hard as I look, I don't see a single person kneeling during the national anthem at NASCAR races. There certainly is a hell of a lot more people on pit road than there is on the sidelines of a NFL game. Surely you would expect a few kneelers, right?




Hmmm, why aren't there any people kneeling in those pictures?

and for bonus points, many even have their hands on their hearts!! They must really hate America, right?