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TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

but treat the abuse of FISA for political ends as a nothing burger.

What speaks volumes is the Trump cultists continued belief in FISA abuse despite ZERO evidence.

If any such evidence arises, CNN will, of course, cover it

FortWayne says

You referring to Russian collusion I assume.

LeonDurham says

If any such evidence arises, CNN will, of course, cover it

Yes they will cover it, with the same amount of attention they gave to the muslim school shooting camp in New Mexico.

LeonDurham says

What speaks volumes is the Trump cultists continued belief in FISA abuse despite ZERO evidence.

If any such evidence arises, CNN will, of course, cover it

Ha! Ha! Ha! They will cover it alright. With a pillow to smother it.

If there is "ZERO evidence" of wrong doing by the investigators, why has there been something like 25 senior FBI and DOJ officials who have been fired, demoted or resigned since this investigation begun?

I thought the Dems demanded the release of ALL information related to Russia in the Election?

socal2 says

If there is "ZERO evidence" of wrong doing by the investigators, why has there been something like 25 senior FBI and DOJ officials who have been fired, demoted or resigned since this investigation begun?

I don't know--do you?

If so, please post the specific reasons.

LeonDurham says

What speaks volumes is the Trump cultists continued belief in FISA abuse despite ZERO evidence.

It's as if Ohr, Strzok, Page, McCabe, etc. etc. never existed.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

It's as if Ohr, Strzok, Page, McCabe, etc. etc. never existed.

Great-please post the evidence then.

Because a list of names is not evidence. You know this, right?

Let's start with an easy one: Strzok and Lisa Page worked for the Special Counsel's office. Are they still employed there? Why not?

Is McCabe still employed? Why was he fired?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378826-sessions-fires-mccabe-from-fbi

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Let's start with an easy one: Strzok and Lisa Page worked for the Special Counsel's office. Are they still employed there? Why not?

Is McCabe still employed? Why was he fired?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378826-sessions-fires-mccabe-from-fbi

Is there evidence you were planning on presenting? So far nothing is very persuasive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/16/lisa-page-testimony-collusion-still-unproven-by-time-muellers-special-counsel-appointment.html

No evidence of collusion still after over 2 years, plus a mountain of evidence showing political bias.

Keep sticking your head in the sand if you like Leon. This house of cards is falling before our eyes

CBOEtrader says

No evidence of collusion still after over 2 years, plus a mountain of evidence showing political bias.

Keep sticking your head in the sand if you like Leon. This house of cards is falling before our eyes

There may or may not be evidence of collusion. That's why Mueller was appointed--to find out. None of us know what he's found thus far.

I don't see any houses falling before my eyes though. What am I missing. Please show me the evidence.

CBOEtrader says

Did Bush use the powers of the State to coordinate a coup against Obama's electoral success and to spy on the Obama campaign, so as to put in Bush's party's chosen candidate after stealing the primary elections and blasting $1 billion of negative propaganda through the complicit MSM as well?

CBOEtrader says

The brainwashing is real.

Like I said point proven.

LeonDurham says

That's why Mueller was appointed--to find out

No mueller was not appointed to look for trump collusion. That's just made up by the trumptards. He was appointed to ensure a full investigation into Russian interference into the election. Read the appointment letter some time.

bob2356 says

No mueller was not appointed to look for trump collusion. That's just made up by the trumptards. He was appointed to ensure a full investigation into Russian interference into the election. Read the appointment letter some time

Good point.

bob2356 says

No mueller was not appointed to look for trump collusion.

So why was it that Comey’s firing (which the Dems were screaming for only six months prior) was the trigger for the special counsel creation? Trump did that. And right after he did, boom Mueller had a mission.

LeonDurham says

Is there evidence you were planning on presenting? So far nothing is very persuasive.

Geeze - are you in a total bubble? Do your own research or admit you don't know anything at all and stop wasting out time.

Kind of a big deal with the lead FBI investigators are caught red handed with their texts hating on Trump and openly talking about how they were going to stop him.

"CNN's Wolf Blitzer: The Peter Strzok Text Messages Are "So Damning""
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/12/cnns_wolf_blitzer_peter_strzok_text_messages_are_so_damning.html

socal2 says

Kind of a big deal with the lead FBI investigators are caught red handed with their texts hating on Trump and openly talking about how they were going to stop him.

The text messages show a couple FBI agents thought (rightly it appears) that Trump was a moron and shouldn't be President. Pretty sure that's not against the law.

Can you show any evidence of actual wrongdoing?

LeonDurham says

The text messages show a couple FBI agents thought (rightly it appears) that Trump was a moron and shouldn't be President. Pretty sure that's not against the law.

But it is against the rules. Hence the reason they were shit-canned. There is also evidence of leaking which is against the law. We will know alot more in the coming days with the un-redacted FISA warrants and other communications. Why else are the Democrats going ape-shit?

More and more people are waking up and learning that our Government Bureaucracy is infested with a bunch of radical Progs like this.
www.youtube.com/embed/ZXLuqQe8DqQ

I can put up with all of Trump's bullshit knowing that his administration is exposing the union protected hacks in our government.

socal2 says

But it is against the rules

What rules?

socal2 says

There is also evidence of leaking which is against the law. We will know alot more in the coming days with the un-redacted FISA warrants and other communications.

OK so no evidence yet, but maybe there is some coming?

socal2 says

Why else are the Democrats going ape-shit?

Who's going ape-shit? All I've seen are people ignoring it because it's a big nothingburger

LeonDurham says

What rules?

FBI rules.
"FBI fires Peter Strzok, agent who sent anti-Trump text messages"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/13/fbi-fired-peter-strzok-anti-trump-texts/976052002/


LeonDurham says

OK so no evidence yet, but maybe there is some coming?

"Inspector general recommends criminal investigation of Andrew McCabe"
The Justice Department's inspector general has recommended a criminal investigation into whether former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe lied to federal officials about a LEAK to a newspaper reporter.

McCabe was fired in March, and last week a report from the inspector general concluded that he repeatedly lied when asked about the LEAK of information regarding the FBI's efforts to look into the finances of the Clinton Foundation in 2016.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/inspector-general-recommends-criminal-investigation-andrew-mccabe-n867571

socal2 says

FBI rules.
"FBI fires Peter Strzok, agent who sent anti-Trump text messages"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/13/fbi-fired-peter-strzok-anti-trump-texts/976052002/

I see nothing in the article about any rules broken. I see an FBI agent fired because the President has a thin skin and can't stand anyone that doesn't kowtow to him.

socal2 says

"Inspector general recommends criminal investigation of Andrew McCabe"

Ah!! So, an Inspector General recommending criminal investigation = evidence now? Is that how it works?

Is the same true when the Attorney General recommends a Special Counsel?

So, do you have any real evidence?

LeonDurham says

Ah!! So, an Inspector General recommending criminal investigation = evidence now? Is that how it works?

Yeah dude. When the FBI fires you, and then recommends a criminal investigation against you on top of the sacking............it might point to some "evidence" of wrong doing.

Herdingcats says

So Trump was colluding with the Russians. Occam's razor for sure.

We'll find out.

Just like we will find out if Obama and the Democrats were colluding with the FBI and DOJ to undermine a duly elected president.

LeonDurham says

Is there evidence you were planning on presenting? So far nothing is very persuasive.

I asked you some questions. If Strzok and Page and McCabe dindu nuttin' wrong, why aren't they employed at their old jobs?

bob2356 says

No mueller was not appointed to look for trump collusion. That's just made up by the trumptards. He was appointed to ensure a full investigation into Russian interference into the election. Read the appointment letter some time.

Mueller sure as shit was: May 17th, 2017.

First paragraph, NYT:

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html

Guardian, First Paragraph:

The Department of Justice has appointed the former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate alleged ties between the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump and Russian operatives. Mueller will also investigate questions of Russian intervention in the election generally.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/trump-russia-investigation-special-counsel-robert-mueller-fbi

CBS:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller to serve as special counsel to oversee the previously confirmed FBI investigation of Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.

"I have determined that a Special Counsel is necessary in order for the American people to have full confidence in the outcome," Rosenstein said in a statement.

The letter announcing the appointment says that Mueller is authorized to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and...any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doj-appoints-special-counsel-in-wake-of-comey-developments/

That's right, it's in the Appointment Letter:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appointment-special-counsel

And, please, don't try to argue that the Trump Campaign doesn't include Trump, and note that "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" are authorized to be investigated, which would certainly include Russian "collusion" personally by Trump.

socal2 says

Yeah dude. When the FBI fires you, and then recommends a criminal investigation against you on top of the sacking............it might point to some "evidence" of wrong doing.

hahahahaha... choked laughing! If I had been drinking it would've come out my nose!

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I asked you some questions. If Strzok and Page and McCabe dindu nuttin' wrong, why aren't they employed at their old jobs?

And I said I have no idea. I didn't fire them.

Maybe because the President put a crapton of pressure on the Director.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Mueller sure as shit was: May 17th, 2017.

Read the first paragraph, that's the appointment of the scope of the investigation. Where is the word collusion in the letter? It's not..

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And, please, don't try to argue that the Trump Campaign doesn't include Trump, and note that "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" are authorized to be investigated, which would certainly include Russian "collusion" personally by Trump.

Why is that? Collusion don't have any legal meaning in a campaign. The only place collusion has any legal meaning is in anti trust law. So collusion is just made up shit. Coordination isn't a crime either. The reason the letter directs investigating coordination is to see if it led to violations of campaign or security laws. Trump can coordinate with all the Russians he wants to. Providing he didn't do anything that violated any statute. So what is the problem? Why spend a year ranting and raving if you didn't do anything wrong? The first thing lawyers tell their clients is don't act guilty. Trump didn't get the memo it seems. .

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I asked you some questions. If Strzok and Page and McCabe dindu nuttin' wrong, why aren't they employed at their old jobs?

Being stupid ins't a crime. Plenty of people have been fired for dong stupid things that weren't criminal.

bob2356 says

Read the first paragraph, that's the appointment of the scope of the investigation. Where is the word collusion in the letter? It's not..

I don't think anybody is going to be convinced that "coordination" and "collusion" have radically different meanings. Is it misleading to write "Franco and Ciparelli coordinated a bank robbery", instead of "Franco and Ciparelli colluded in a bank robbery"?

bob2356 says

Why is that? Collusion don't have any legal meaning in a campaign. The only place collusion has any legal meaning is in anti trust law. So collusion is just made up shit. Coordination isn't a crime either.

Yet Mueller is pointedly directed to investigate it. You can report on something that isn't a crime, yes?

What has the Left been masturbating to for over a year now? Proof of "Russian Collusion", that's what. The Media has been breathless in it's reporting of any and every potential meeting. Every few weeks they revisit the Trump Tower meeting.

You also missed the "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation..." bit.

Is today the day it gets "real"??!!?

I'm on the edge of my seat!!!!

Nope, still no collusion.

Oh darn!!!

LeonDurham says

Is today the day it gets "real"??!!?

I'm on the edge of my seat!!!!

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I don't think anybody is going to be convinced that "coordination" and "collusion" have radically different meanings. Is it misleading to write "Franco and Ciparelli coordinated a bank robbery", instead of "Franco and Ciparelli colluded in a bank robbery"?

You know that the bank robbery is the crime right?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Yet Mueller is pointedly directed to investigate it. You can report on something that isn't a crime, yes?

That is the whole fucking point, which seems to escape you.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

What has the Left been masturbating to for over a year now? Proof of "Russian Collusion", that's what. The Media has been breathless in it's reporting of any and every potential meeting. Every few weeks they revisit the Trump Tower meeting.

ROFLOL. That's really, really funny. Trump has been revisiting it every day. The MSM and the right wing echo chamber are reporting what trump stirs up with his tweet shit storm de jour. . Mueller hasn't released anything, hasn't made a single public statement, and hasn't been available to the press at all. Gee where does the press get the investigation subject of the day from? Damn, you really are a funny guy.

LeonDurham says

Is today the day it gets "real"??!!?

I'm on the edge of my seat!!!!

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