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bob2356 says

Like who? The names are lacking. You seem to be having trouble with this.

Before I answer, can you explain why Iran was rewarded for executing gays and protesters with the Iran Deal?

Because you and tatupu seem to not want to explain this.

Why we need to have MbS - the only Saudi Ruler who has actually passed concrete liberal reforms - removed over a potential assassination, but we need to keep the Iran Deal with the Murderous Mullahs who imprison, torture, and execute countless people every year?

bob2356 says

I notice the kinder gentler KSA hasn't stopped funding radical imans or madras schools (aka terrorist recruitment and training centers) all around the world.

You know this for sure?

‘We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Throw Khashoggi down the well.

So it is ok to kill him because you love trump?

personal

gsr says

So it is ok to kill him because you love trump?

Go read my posts. I explained who Khashoggi is and what groups and people he's affiliated with.

Did you support the Iran Deal? Did Iran stop torturing, imprisoning, and executing Gays and Protesters before and / or after it?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Before I answer, can you explain why Iran was rewarded for executing gays and protesters with the Iran Deal?

Because you and tatupu seem to not want to explain this.

Why we need to have MbS - the only Saudi Ruler who has actually passed concrete liberal reforms - removed over a potential assassination, but we need to keep the Iran Deal with the Murderous Mullahs who imprison, torture, and execute countless people every year?

ROFLOL. Now that's really funny shit. Rewarded for killing gays and protesters? Like decapitation and subsequent public crucifixion of Ahmed bin ‘Adhaib bin ‘Askar al-Shamlani al-‘Anzi, for homosexuality? Oh shit that was in Riyadh, never mind. What a fucking joke. KSA gets rewarded every day by the USofA for executing gays and protesters using your "logic" .

I still waiting for the list of names. But I'm sure you will get it to me before the sun goes supernova. Maybe.

socal2 says

‘We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

I missed the part of the article that says what KSA DID about their sponsorship of terrorism around the world. Both officially as a government and private money. It's noticeably absent. So the saudi's now openly admit to fostering terrorism against the US and the rest of the west for decades. Nice. With friends like these who needs enemies? But hey they are now the new kindlier gentler KSA. They feel bad about it and some day they will consider doing something about it. Maybe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45909732

Police in Turkey investigating the alleged killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi have expanded their search.

Unnamed Turkish officials say his body may have been disposed of in the nearby Belgrad forest or on farmland.

Mr Khashoggi disappeared after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, where Turkish officials allege he was murdered.

Saudi Arabia denies any knowledge of what happened to him.

Samples taken from the Saudi consulate and the consul's residence during searches this week are being tested for a match with Mr Khashoggi's DNA.

The latest reported searches - Belgrad forest and an area in the city of Yalova - took place after suspicion was raised over the movements taken by Saudi diplomatic vehicles at the time of Mr Khashoggi's disappearance, officials said.

The major French daily Le Figaro on Thursday published a bombshell story which reports the Saudi royal family is actively considering a replacement to crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) as next in line to succeed his father King Salman as the kingdom finds itself under the greatest international pressure and scrutiny it's faced in its modern history over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi — widely believed to have been killed on orders of MbS himself.

The Li Figaro report's unnamed diplomatic source says the Allegiance Council, which is historically the body responsible for approving the order of succession to the throne, is currently meeting in secret (translation from the French):

For several days, the Allegiance Council for the ruling Saudi family is meeting in the utmost discretion, says a diplomatic source to Le Figaro in Paris. The information has been confirmed by a Saudi Arabian contacted in Riyadh. Composed of a delegate representing each of the clans — at least seven — of the royal family, this body, responsible for inheritance problems, examines the situation created by the disappearance, still unresolved, more than a fortnight ago, of the journalist dissident Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-19/saudi-allegiance-council-meeting-secret-consider-mbs-replacement-report

Patrick says

The major French daily Le Figaro on Thursday published a bombshell story which reports the Saudi royal family is actively considering a replacement to crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) as next in line to succeed his father King Salman

Trump will decide who gets to inherit the Saudi throne.

Am I the only one secretly hoping we hear the tape soon?

Yes, kind of surprised the tape has not been released. Turkey is obviously happy to expose Saudi crimes, so why not?

bob2356 says

ROFLOL. Now that's really funny shit. Rewarded for killing gays and protesters? Like decapitation and subsequent public crucifixion of Ahmed bin ‘Adhaib bin ‘Askar al-Shamlani al-‘Anzi, for homosexuality? Oh shit that was in Riyadh, never mind. What a fucking joke. KSA gets rewarded every day by the USofA for executing gays and protesters using your "logic" .

I still waiting for the list of names. But I'm sure you will get it to me before the sun goes supernova. Maybe.

I'm still waiting to hear why the Iran Deal was implemented? To reward the execution of gays and protesters by the Mullahs? Did it stop after the Deal?

When the Saudis were executing gays and witches, what sanctions did Obama impose?
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/meast/saudi-arabia-beheading/index.html

2011, right in the heart of the Obama Presidency. What punishments did Obama deliver?

When I get an answer, I'll provide links to scholar funding provided by bin Talal. They're sitting in my Bookmarks.

Khashoggi wanted to launch a "Pro-Democracy Group".
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jamal-khashoggi-wanted-to-launch-a-pro-democracy-group-then-the-saudis-disappeared-him?ref=scroll

Not his first "Pro-Democracy" Group. His first was in the aftermath of the Algerian Islamists being crushed after winning election.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/10/18/seven-facts-about-jamal-khashoggis-life-writing-and-politics/

Khashoggi believed in Cleric-guided Democracy like the Iranian Theocracy, with Shari'a law as the backbone. Any "Democratic" law passed that violated Shar'ia would be struck down as "Unconstitutional". So if a Khashoggi Democracy passed a first amendment, the Shar'ia courts would strike it down because it would allow blasphemy to be unpunished.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

When I get an answer, I'll provide links to scholar funding provided by bin Talal. They're sitting in my Bookmarks.

Sure right, I'm sure someone somewhere actually believes that. Would that be Including the receipts from where he paid for Obama's tuition for islamic studies at Harvard law? Too goddam funny.

I didn't get a list of all the saudi executions in their embassies prior to this one either. The ones the press ignored because those executions in their embassies wouldn't derail saudi liberalization. ROFLOL. You really can't make this shit up.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Actually, it would not be surprising if one of MSBs buddies held out the phone for Trump to run over his speakerphone for Ivanka and the kids to listen to the libby hack being sawed to death.

When are the turks going to post on youtube?

More details about the 15 murderers:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45906396

Supposedly one of the 15 is dead already from a "car accident". If the others start dropping, that increases the probability that one of the remaining killers squeals in exchange for protection.

bob2356 says

Sure right, I'm sure someone somewhere actually believes that. Would that be Including the receipts from where he paid for Obama's tuition for islamic studies at Harvard law? Too goddam funny.

I didn't get a list of all the saudi executions in their embassies prior to this one either. The ones the press ignored because those executions in their embassies wouldn't derail saudi liberalization. ROFLOL. You really can't make this shit up.

Bob, why are you and tatupu running away from answering my questions?

I'm not answering any more of your loaded questions until you start answering mine.

Why did Iran deserve the Iran Deal, given it's record of Gay and Protester torture, murder, and abuse? Why didn't Obama sanction Saudi Arabia for executing Witches and Gays in 2011, the heart of his Presidency?

Do you think MbS should resign over one dead Muslim Brotherhood propagandist, but it was okay for Obama/Clinton to entirely ignore the deaths of multiple people for Homosexuality and Witchcraft?

Tim Aurora says

Again this is whataboutism at its worst.

Nope, not whataboutism but a valid question as to why the death of a Terrorist Sympathizer requires the resignation of the Ruler, but why multiple human rights violations by executing Homosexuals and "Witches" did not engender ANY response whatsoever from other Administrations (not just Obama).

The correct response here is to wag a finger softly. "Next time kill terrorist symps quietly".

Whataboutism simply brings up a different, unrelated issue to distract from criticism.

"Today, Soviets put people in Gulags for political opinions."
"Oh yeah, well, well, well, in some Southern States it's hard for Blacks to meet voting requirements"

That's whataboutery.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Patriots! Trump should give these guys medals of FREE!dom for butchering a libby propagandist.

Give them a couple of hot blondes as wives. With cameras.

Saudis are dead men walking. The petrol economy will eventually fade and they’ll end up eating each other. Islam is only stable under authoritarian regimes. Hard to be authoritarian when you’re broke.

Goran_K says

Saudis are dead men walking. The petrol economy will eventually fade and they’ll end up eating each other. Islam is only stable under authoritarian regimes. Hard to be authoritarian when you’re broke.

Does not take long for people with no brains, education, skills, common sense, or Islamic values to eventually go broke.
Can you name even one Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains?

Strategist says

Does not take long for people with no brains, education, skills, common sense, or Islamic values to eventually go broke.
Can you name even one Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains?

Wail a minute. There is an Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains.....Saudi Arabia. They invented "oil" You think it got there on it's own? Duh!

Strategist says

Can you name even one Islamic country that produces something that takes hard work or brains?

Exactly. Iran and Afghanistan were beautiful countries before hardline Islamist took over.

Afghanistan circa 1960s



Iran circa 1960s



Anything besides "Fuck Islam" isn't harsh enough.

Goran_K says

Iran and Afghanistan were beautiful countries before hardline Islamist took over.

We arent exactly innocent in that process.

Why has our deep state been pushing for Islamism for 40+ years?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Nope, not whataboutism

lol. It's the definition of whataboutism.

Any time someone questions a Trump policy--the whataboutism answer is, but, but, but what about Obama.

Or when someone questions the Saudis murdering a journalist in their embassy--the whataboutism answer is but, but, but what about Iran.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Bob, why are you and tatupu running away from answering my questions?

I'm not answering any more of your loaded questions until you start answering mine.

Loaded question?? lol. All Bob asked was for you to provide ANY evidence backing your ridiculous conspiracy theory about who paid for Obama's education. You made this claim--is it that hard to show why you said it?

I know the goal is to distract from the murder of a journalist by any means necessary, but let's try to stay on topic.

Aphroman says

You will destroy the Shiites.

CBOEtrader says

Goran_K says

Iran and Afghanistan were beautiful countries before hardline Islamist took over.

We arent exactly innocent in that process.

Why has our deep state been pushing for Islamism for 40+ years?

Probably because instability in the Middle East makes it weaker and less resistant to the West wishes politically.

Bottom line, for me at least, Islam is cancer and the left/Democrats think they can tame it and use Islam as an ally. They are dead fucking wrong. Islam is using the left to get what they want, but once they do, they will throw democrats off buildings just as easily in Michigan as they did in Syria.

Goran_K says

Bottom line, for me at least, Islam is cancer and the left/Democrats think they can tame it and use Islam as an ally. They are dead fucking wrong. Islam is using the left to get what they want, but once they do, they will throw democrats off buildings just as easily in Michigan as they did in Syria.

Uh--Trump is the one who is trying to make Saudi an ally now. Last I checked they are the #1 backer of fundamentalist Islam and terrorism. If anyone is trying to use Islam as an ally it's Trump.

tatupu70 says

Trump is the one who is trying to make Saudi an ally now

Uh, Saudi Arabia has been an "ally" for quite a while, and every single US president has been complicit in Saudi crimes:



I was hoping Trump would be different, but no.

At least we still have many yuge and disruptive wins by having Trump as our president: record low jobs, stock market highs, lowered tensions with N. Korea, some real pushback against oppressive political correctness, etc.

I don't want to argue over Trump's accomplishments--I think that's been done to death.

I just found it ironic that a poster was talking about how Dems are trying to make allies with Islam while Trump is busy covering up a murder for Saudi Arabia.

tatupu70 says

Trump is busy covering up a murder for Saudi Arabia.

Covering up for Saudi arabia? That's quite a stretch.

Goran_K says

Covering up for Saudi arabia? That's quite a stretch.

Perhaps you need to catch up on the news?

tatupu70 says

Perhaps you need to catch up on the news?

Which would prove that Trump is covering up a murder by Saudis?

Maybe you should stop watching MSM news?

Goran_K says

Which would prove that Trump is covering up a murder by Saudis?

yep

haha, no.

Aphroman says

Why is Trump covering up the murder?

Aphroman says

Goran_K says

tatupu70 says

Perhaps you need to catch up on the news?

Which would prove that Trump is covering up a murder by Saudis?

Maybe you should stop watching MSM news?

Why is Trump covering up the murder?

He’s doing no such thing.

Funny thing is the guy who got gutted and chopped up was a loud mouth lefty who thought he could talk shit to Saudi princes without any consequences.

Guess he learned the hard way. lol