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I noticed a definite gradient based on levels of residents who are immigrants, with the highest levels of ignorance being where the highest levels of illegal immigrants live.
In fact, West Virginia is kicking our ass.

Also, all the deep red states but Kentucky aren’t even in the top 20. Who’s ignorant now, lefties? Clearly the Left is drawing voters from a DEEP WELL OF IGNORANCE!!!

marcus says

I get an extra $500/ year for my masters degree. And no, they don't pay for your school. Not at all. Nice try though. What else can you make up ?

Marcus, you better call your Teacher's Soviet Komissar. The only way you could be making only $500 extra for an MA is if you were a first year teacher.



http://riversideunified.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_580721/File/Departments/Personnel/Salary%20Schedules/18-19%20Salary%20Schedules/002%20Teacher%20Annual%20Salary%20-%20185%20Days%20-%207-1-2018%20(7.12.18).pdf

https://cepeg.usc.edu/a-look-at-teacher-salary-schedules-in-california/

The very fact that teachers are public sector employees almost assures lots of wasted money for little results.

Now I'm gonna hunt down all the schools that pay part/all teacher's outlay for CE and credits

Let's start with loan forgiveness at hood schools.
https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/teacher

marcus says

They need to make teaching more engaging, more fun

Learning is NOT fun. Typing garbage on ipads is, but that is not learning.
And yes, if parents do not care about education, teachers will fail. There is not enough individual teacher face-time with students to teach everyone - kids come with widely different abilities and backgrounds.

Quigley says

I noticed a definite gradient based on levels of residents who are immigrants

Agreed with illegal part, but try Indian or Chinese immigrant kid educational levels and achievements vs native-born American. Asians have a religious view of educational achievements - and this also shows that parents matter more than teachers.

Schools are obsolete anyway. They should only be K-8. In 9th, you should learn a trade or learn to study on your own for college. In fact, college courses can start in the 9th Grade if you have room temperature IQ and the least bit of discipline.

You have to learn to self-study or you won't be effective in life, whether you're an electrician or an engineer.

Public schools are a failure. Utter failure. One only needs to look at LAUSD (2nd largest public school budget in the country), and then look at the standardized testing scores for math and reading.

ThreeBays says

That overall statistic doesn't speak to the effectiveness of the California education system in any way. In the latest 18-to-24 years old cohort only 1.7% of Californians have less than 9th grade ed, same as the rest of the country. Better than Texas or Florida.

It's still bad if they drop out at 10th grade. You're not really providing any information to counter the fact that California has a really low graduation rate for the money being spent.

marcus says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

state paying them automatically for a Master's Degree (and paying FOR the Master's)

??

I get an extra $500/ year for my masters degree. And no, they don't pay for your school. Not at all. Nice try though. What else can you make up ?

If you only get $500 for your masters degree, your union negotiated a crappy contract. My union, it's about an $8k difference. I'm wondering why you are all gung ho pro union when they clearly didn't negotiate well for you.

I guess the "Make CA Mexico Again" crowd are winning here, things are going to get a lot worse in lots of categories.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Marcus, you better call your Teacher's Soviet Komissar. The only way you could be making only $500 extra for an MA is if you were a first year teacher.

It's an MS, and you're wrong.

Apparently you don't understand your graph. It's true that for classes in Math, beyond a bachelors degree I get points that apply to my salary. For example the Masters program I was in required 20 hours of undergrad Math classes, beyond the calculus sequence to start the program. My bachelors was in business. I also have taken enough CS courses that are independent of my degrees to be close to what a CS major does for a bachelors in CS.

So yes, when I started I got a lot of salary points for those classes, and some of the classes in my masters program too. I pretty much maxed out salary points when I started.

But the Masters degree itself, I on'y get $500 per year for. I'm pretty sure that I would know how this works better than you.

marcus says

The students and their parents have nothing to do with this. I blame the teachers 100%. They need to make teaching more engaging, more fun, and most of all, more profitable for the students.

We have the most welfare recipients along with the worst education. Don't think it's just a coincidence.

There also seems to be a correlation with illegal alien population and school drop out rates.

theoakman says

If you only get $500 for your masters degree, your union negotiated a crappy contract. My union, it's about an $8k difference. I'm wondering why you are all gung ho pro union when they clearly didn't negotiate well for you.

Pensions. Why care for a lousy $500 when you can get $millions in pension.

What is the source of the image in the original post?

theoakman says

My union, it's about an $8k difference. I'm wondering why you are all gung ho pro union when they clearly didn't negotiate well for you.

Two things I would say. I'm not really THAT gung ho on the union.

Secondly, the comparison to the 8K you get is probably not relevant. To compare we would have to take into account how teachers are compensated for all (relevant) education after their bachelors. I'm not that curious, to compare - but read my comment 23.

BayArea says

What is the source of the image in the original post?

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/least-educated-state-california-no-1-percentage-residents-25-and

Compiled from Census Records.

marcus says

It's an MS, and you're wrong.

It's really an MA in terms of rigor and content.



marcus says

But the Masters degree itself, I on'y get $500 per year for. I'm pretty sure that I would know how this works better than you.

Then your school is wayyyyy out of step with the rest of California. Even first year teachers with Masters get thousands more than a Bachelor degree holder. Like I said, call your Teacher's Soviet kommissar.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

It's really an MA in terms of rigor and content.

How would you know ? For an internet troll you sure think you know a lot more than you do. . Oh, wait, I forgot that's part of the definition of an internet troll.

My degree is a Masters in Mathematics (from the MAth department - from a "group one" school in Math) . You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on to others.


TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Then your school is wayyyyy out of step with the rest of California. Even first year teachers with Masters get thousands more than a Bachelor degree holder.

I explained it pretty clearly. I'm not going to try again. I believe you could understand if you wanted to.

Another aspect of being an internet troll is that you aren't it it to listen or even comprehend in the slightest what the other person is saying. Why the fuck did I take the time to explain it to you ?

Relatively speaking, California's per pupil spending is pretty dismal.

Goran_K says

The very fact that teachers are public sector employees almost assures lots of wasted money for little results.

True. As any Trump supporter understands selfishness and malice are the only things that drive humans.

AS long as teachers can mooch off the government and get their awesome pay and live (AND RETIRE!!) in Caligulan splendor, they obviously could give a fuck as to whether they are serving the interests of the children they supposedly serve. I'm sure that when the typical teacher reflects on their practice and on the job they are doing, and whether or not they are doing well for their students, it's only for a few seconds, as they laugh their way to the bank, and think "who gives a fuck!"

marcus says

How would you know ? For an internet troll you sure think you know a lot more than you do. . Oh, wait, I forgot that's part of the definition of an internet troll.

Education Majors have some of the highest GPAs, but rank in the bottom 40% of standardized testing. It's called Grade Inflation - and I've seen the coursework, it's basket weaving.

"If Juan refuses to meet your glance, it's a sign of respect. Take notes, this will be on the test."

Not exactly calculating the Oxidation State of a Vanadium Ion

marcus says

I explained it pretty clearly. I'm not going to try again. I believe you could understand if you wanted to.

You didn't explain. I put up actual charts of California School "Step and Ladder" Payscales. They're readily available and they all pretty much look the same. Nobody in California is getting merely $500/month for a Master's Degree. Other posters have also told you this is the case.

marcus says

Relatively speaking, California's per pupil spending is pretty dismal.

Marcus, do you really teach math?

California is close to the Median Spend of about $11k per student. 26th in the Country. You can also infer this from your own chart.

Makes you wonder what California does with their lavish tax revenue.

marcus says

The students and their parents have nothing to do with this. I blame the teachers 100%. They need to make teaching more engaging, more fun, and most of all, more profitable for the students.

People would be wrong to blame the teachers. Its not their fault other than their political beliefs lead to stupid stuff.

They should blame the sanctuary policies that result in non enforcement of immigration laws.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Education Majors have some of the highest GPAs, but rank in the bottom 40% of standardized testing.

Marcus has already said what he majored in. It wasn't Education.

Screw it. I stumbled on this and got it stuck in my head. So should the rest of you:

www.youtube.com/embed/FX20kcp7j5c?t=12s

MrMagic says

Maybe you should have printed it on higher quality paper, instead of copy paper, to make it more believable?

Classy, dude. Maybe try to make your insults a little more creative next time?

@Patrick, why isn't crap like this excised? Seems pretty mean spirited, personal and without substance.

Evan F. says

why isn't crap like this excised? Seems pretty mean spirited, personal and without substance.

That would go contrary to what patnet is all about!

Evan F. says

Classy, dude. Maybe try to make your insults a little more creative next time?

Well, I could use larger and longer words, but then both of you wouldn't understand them. Just tryin' to keep it simple. After all, I'm here to help!!!!!

marcus says

AS long as teachers can mooch off the government and get their awesome pay and live (AND RETIRE!!) in Caligulan splendor, they obviously could give a fuck as to whether they are serving the interests of the children they supposedly serve. I'm sure that when the typical teacher reflects on their practice and on the job they are doing, and whether or not they are doing well for their students, it's only for a few seconds, as they laugh their way to the bank, and think "who gives a fuck!"

Well, thank you for your honesty on why you took the job during your middle age career point.

Evan F. says

Patrick, why isn't crap like this excised? Seems pretty mean spirited, personal and without substance.

OK, that is personal, not about any particular topic. Deleted, thanks.

Evan F. says

Marcus has already said what he majored in. It wasn't Education.

I believe I had been talking about a Master's in Education, which is a retarded degree a HS dropout could earn without a sweat, so long as they were barely literate.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Marcus, you better call your Teacher's Soviet Komissar. The only way you could be making only $500 extra for an MA is if you were a first year teacher.

Neither it nor a Bachelor's in Education is remotely comparable to Pre-Med or IMHO even a Liberal Arts degree like Music where you have to at least learn and replicate complicated chord structures on demand.

If Marcus is only getting $500/year extra for a Masters of Science in Math, something is wrong. I already posted the pay scale for a California School System, and they all have the same graphic distribution.

Here is Sacramento, the most tightfisted district in California. No teacher with 5 years+ experience doesn't get at least $2,000/year with BA+45 Credits or a Master's. A 10 year experienced teacher with a Master's gets more than $7,500 extra per year.

https://d2qrgk75cp62ej.cloudfront.net/sites/main/files/file-attachments/2017-18_scta_all_final_updated_1.10.18.pdf

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

something is wrong

Yes, it's that you don't understand something that I explained pretty damn clearly. (see #23 above)

They give credit for certain classes beyond your bachelors and or beyond classes that met requirements for teaching credential . You get so called salary points for those.

When I say "the degree itself" I'm talking about a document indicating the completion of a program. That's what the $500 is for. But you couldn't have completed such a program, without taking a lot of courses that are good for salary points. I don't think these details are interesting to anyone, but do you now get it ? It's just the way some districts do it, including LAUSD.

Onvacation says

I disagree. If parents won't hold their kids accountable how can teachers?

Obviously. I was being facetious.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

marcus says

Relatively speaking, California's per pupil spending is pretty dismal.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

California is close to the Median Spend of about $11k per student. 26th in the Country. You can also infer this from your own chart.

The chart I showed has California 29th, if I counted right, and roughly half of what New York spends.

You don't have to be at the bottom of the list to be what I consider dismal. LAUSD pays decently, considering the cost of living in LA. But class sizes are WAY too large.

marcus says

When I say "the degree itself" I'm talking about a document indicating the completion of a program. That's what the $500 is for. But you couldn't have completed such a program, without taking a lot of courses that are good for salary points. I don't think these details are interesting to anyone, but do you now get it ? It's just the way some districts do it, including LAUSD.

Marcus, c'mon man. Are you saying you were arguing that the degree itself confers no income increase, just the credits behind it? hahahah C'mon Man.

I put up several pay charts, they all have both BA+X Credits AND MA.

Are you trying to say you don't make more because of the MS, but because you have several dozen credits? This is semantics, and it doesn't even seem to be the case since they deliberately list out Master's Degrees.

marcus says

The chart I showed has California 29th, if I counted right, and roughly half of what New York spends.

You don't have to be at the bottom of the list to be what I consider dismal. LAUSD pays decently, considering the cost of living in LA. But class sizes are WAY too large.

Doesn't matter if it's yours (29) or mine (26), it's much closer to the Median than either extreme.

Also, Economy of Scale. You'd expect more populous states with many large metro areas to do better because of larger school districts, even without extra pay.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

marcus says

The chart I showed has California 29th, if I counted right, and roughly half of what New York spends.

You don't have to be at the bottom of the list to be what I consider dismal. LAUSD pays decently, considering the cost of living in LA. But class sizes are WAY too large.

Doesn't matter if it's yours (29) or mine (26), it's much closer to the Median than either extreme.

What matters is the fact that California is on the bottom when it comes to educating kids. We are number one in wasting money, and number one in taxes. It's pathetic.

IS it the holidays, or the bad week Trump is having that's making the TrumpCucks even more assholish than usual ?