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All actions, including inaction has an effect. There will be some that gain from the action and some that benefit.

A collapsing country from no border control or no avocados for a year. Easy choice. We are sure to hear louder bell ringing as this continues. But in the end, it will be country collapse vs X. And what could X be that is greater than country?

The military were once taught the order of priorities : God, country, family, self. Other than God, what can be greater than country?

Patrick says

I'll take an intact border, please.

Same.

ABC News had a reporter on site at El Paso showing a parade of Mexicans crossing back over the border returning to Mexico after a days work in Texas. I believe ABC was trying to emphasize how closing the border would cause harm, but I wonder if Americans seeing the report saw instead how employers are undercutting wages with scab or cheap foreign labor. Where the hell are the unions?

HeadSet says

ABC News had a reporter on site at El Paso showing a parade of Mexicans crossing back over the border returning to Mexico after a days work in Texas. I believe ABC was trying to emphasize how closing the border would cause harm, but I wonder if Americans seeing the report saw instead how employers are undercutting wages with scab or cheap foreign labor. Where the hell are the unions?

This is part of the general trend of the Left abandoning labor. And it is why they're losing ground to populist movements or anyone who signals worker-friendliness.

The new Left is not supporting policy to create economic conditions favorable to domestic production. They're instead paying illegal labor less than minimum wage to clean their houses and raise their children, then taking a employee rights-crushing Lyft to work where they get down to the business of devising new ways to create an unholy alliance between banksters and Silicon Valley.

Their vision: one global populace of interchangeable workers, replaced with robots wherever feasible, and total control of all information pathways to quash any attempts to create or maintain local or sovereign self-government.

cmdrdataleak says

This is part of the general trend of the Left abandoning labor. And it is why they're losing ground to populist movements or anyone who signals worker-friendliness.

And ironically, they seem to see workers as disposable cogs in the system and unions as obstacles to automation and outsourcing. They seem positively outraged that a common worker should demand a fair wage! Apparently only the elites deserve to live above the poverty line, or people who got there first like themselves. Anyone coming after them should just accept a life of permanent and abject misery.
@kakistocracy
And then they wonder why Americans are rejecting their party!
Obviously because they’re a bunch of racists!

Borders > Avocados

Elgatouno says

FortWayneIndiana says

Borders > Avocados

Lol, Trumpcucks probably honestly believe that the only thing that will be affected is avocados. Sad.

Elgatouno says

FortWayneIndiana says

Borders > Avocados

Lol, Trumpcucks probably honestly believe that the only thing that will be affected is avocados. Sad.

Why are you so hell bent on importing things from people working for slave wages?

FYI, Hearing aids are on sale this week.

Elgatouno says

BlueSardine says

Trump if one considers mexican losses as a form of paying for the wall.

Republicans want free stuff? That's what it sounds like to me.

theoakman says

Why are you so hell bent on importing things from people working for slave wages?

Democrats have always been the party of slavery. How is this anything new? They can’t own brown people in the USA anymore, so they own them in other countries and get rich by shipping the products or their labors here to market.
Mess with any part of that and they’ll have a problem with you.

Common sense solution - fining employers $Trillion for each employed illegal and incarcerating/expelling members of caravans and their organizers is somehow not considered.
P.S. I think the WALL! is a boondoggle to distract attention from solutions that would actually work.

Ban Avocados we don't need them as some proxy to argue why we should let Liberals destroy our country with illegal immigrants.

Fuck Avacados they are disgusting green phlegm fruit.

Elgatouno says

So you don't want Mexico to pay for the wall?

Who gives a shit about a measly 5-10 billion? It is said that the country is in debt multi trillions of dollars......for those mathematically challenged, 1 trillion = 1000 billions....5-10 billion is pocket change for the usa...And yet it's the main focus of the dems.
5-10 billion is probably a weeks worth of bombs we drop on other countries...lets build a wall with it and let some people live another week...also the wall isn't going to build itself...let that 5 billion be spent on labor building the wall.

You should see how many avocados we don't produce if we turned socialist

Liberal response:

d6rB says

I think the WALL! is a boondoggle to distract attention from solutions that would actually work.

True to some degree, but it also gets people talking about the possibility of imprisoning the employers of illegals, the best solution.

Another benefit: all kinds of American companies that have been happily outsourcing to Mexico to take advantage of lower wages and environmental laws are going to get nervous about not being able to keep their supply chain running.

This is excellent, because even the worry about the supply chain will discourage future dependence on Mexico by US companies. Trump does not even have to actually close the border to see a benefit to US workers from the mere threat of doing it.

Another method would to stop money transfers from illegals back to Mexico.

Avacado's come from places other then Mexico.

Avocados from Puerto Rico:
http://martexfarms.com/our-products/

wtf are they worried about, in 12 years, we can grow avocados in 35 states right?

Mexico is scrambling to comply with Trump's wishes to secure the border, afraid Trump will make good on his promise to shut the border down if the president of Mexico fails to stem the tide of refugees. Instead of attending to the northern border with the U.S., El Presidante is securing his southern border. Will Trump do it. Just do it!

No hipster no



No avocado no



No goddamn civilization-crushing Guardian avocado no no no



NO!


Sorry, I hate avocados. But they do seem to correlate with........

I guess correlation isn't causation. And I shouldn't hate on a fruit (or vegetable or mineral or whatever this abomination is) just because it gives me severe stomach aches.

NO!

Patrick says

This is excellent, because even the worry about the supply chain will discourage future dependence on Mexico by US companies. Trump does not even have to actually close the border to see a benefit to US workers from the mere threat of doing it.

It's amazing that some people don't understand that threats are all part of negotiations...If you don't do this, I'm going to do this...Trump threatens to close the border and people instantly go into a self imposed fake panic. They imagine all kinds of dire consequences just because of a threat...NO AVOCADOS! lol

Elgatouno says

Do you know what JIT stands for? Just in time. The cars we build in this country, guess where they get parts from? Yes some come from Mexico. Guess when they get them, yes, Just In Time. The avocados is going to hit the fan if Trump closes the border, he will be committing political suicide so please Trump don't flip flop on this one.

People are gonna be like, holy shit, we close the border for a few days and all this shit happens? Now I see why NAFTA is a bad idea, we're dependent on a Narco State for basics, that's pretty fucking stupid and dangerous.

Elgatouno says

ere they get parts from? Yes some come from Mexico. Guess when they get them, yes, Just In Time. The avocados is going to hit the fan if Trump closes the border, he will be

Yeah, it's not like this country ever built Fords or Chevy's on it's own.

Elgatouno says

We don't need no stinking avocados. Flip flop flip flop

Be Careful! The "Trump ain't gonna do it" claims have seldom worked out well.

"He ain't gonna shutdown the government"
"He ain't gonna use an Executive Order"
etc.

Elgatouno says

Well looks like we got a year to stockpile avocados!

And for car companies to think long and hard about where they want to manufacture their cars!

Elgatouno says

komputodo says

They imagine all kinds of dire consequences just because of a threat...NO AVOCADOS! lol

One who think this is just about avocados has shit for brains.

Do you know what JIT stands for? Just in time. The cars we build in this country, guess where they get parts from? Yes some come from Mexico. Guess when they get them, yes, Just In Time. The avocados is going to hit the fan if Trump closes the border, he will be committing political suicide so please Trump don't flip flop on this one.

Agreed...And yet, our shit for brains media decided that should be the main focal point:
You should foward your thoughts about JIT to the "shit for brains" media

Elgatouno says

Well looks like we got a year to stockpile avocados!

Do you like your guacamole brown?

theoakman says

Do you like your guacamole brown?

Nah, he's more into that green baby shit guac Bozo O'Rourke feeds his wife.

Nixon and Reagan tried closing the border to pressure Mexico – here’s what happened

On April 4, the president backpedaled and instead gave Mexico a year to stop the flow of drugs across the border. If that didn’t happen, he threatened, auto tariffs would be imposed – and the president suggested he might still close the border if that didn’t work.

If Trump ever follows through on his threat and puts up a closed sign at the southern border, it wouldn’t be the first time. Twice in the last half-century the U.S. has tried to use the border to force Mexico to bend to America’s will. The ruse failed both times.

Operation Intercept

In 1969, President Richard Nixon launched Operation Intercept in hopes of forcing Mexico to collaborate more fully with his administration’s policies to stop the flow of drugs – one of his campaign promises.

Although it technically wasn’t a full border closure, it required customs agents to search every car, truck and bus entering the United States. This caused long delays and a significant drop in economic activity in both countries. Border businesses and politicians begged Nixon to end .

Meanwhile, Mexican leaders paid lip service to U.S. demands, based on my archival research. They highlighted the progress they had already made in their anti-drug operations and vowed to “continue with increasing intensity.”

Mexico even said it was willing to accept American anti-drug aid – such as aircraft and sophisticated weaponry – in order to help the Nixon administration fight its drug war.

In the end, however, nothing substantial changed. The border reopened after three weeks.

History repeats - Operation Intercept II

The war on drugs also inspired President Ronald Reagan’s partial border closure in 1985. Aptly named Operation Intercept II, it suffered a similar fate.

The Mexican authorities were unable to find a kidnapped Drug Enforcement Administration agent, and the White House once again decided to use the border to force them into more vigorous action, closing nine checkpoints.

Ordinary Mexicans saw this border closure as yet another form of “Yankee imperialism.” They wondered how the disappearance of one agent could cause such an uproar when hundreds of Mexicans had been killed as a result of our “war on drugs.” The abducted agent was later found dead.

Although the border was reopened within a matter of days, once again, the shutdown severely hurt the border economy – as well as relations between the two countries.

More: https://theconversation.com/nixon-and-reagan-tried-closing-the-border-to-pressure-mexico-heres-what-happened-114956

About that Children separation policy thing...

Where'd you get that from TPB? I want to get a small version for Tweeter.

HonkpilledMaster says

Where'd you get that from TPB? I want to get a small version for Tweeter.

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